BALLYHOGUE. Anyone know where this might be, Looking for James O'Gorman. wife ANN.. 1840/50's Please and Thankyou. betty

Thank you Mike.............. This is something new for me to search for my elusive ancestors. Cheers, Ellen in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" <mike@obrienclan.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins > I managed to get in with no problem also. > Although their system seems to be rather clunky. > When a search should five pages, only one would open and records are > limited. Example are the passenger lists. Sounds great but only one year > (1890) is listed. > Better to go to the Immigrant Transcribers Guild for hundreds of passenger > lists. > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RichmondK8@aol.com> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04 AM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins > > > > It does work! I just went thru the process to register and I did not give > > any payment info. After putting in my demographics, and agreeing to > > 'terms of > > service', I was on a page that had my account info that said I had the 24 > > hours > > free access. I thought I was at a dead end for the 'free access', but > > noticed that I had a 'logout' at the top of the page (which meant I was > > 'logged in') > > so I clicked on the tab at the top of the page for 'Irish Origins' and I > > was > > in without a problem. I did not click on the link to subscribe when I was > > on > > that 'account' page because that would have asked me for payment. > > > > Kathleen Richmond > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Until I moved down South, I was a member of TIARA (be sure to visit its website for a great listing of online gen. resources), in which Dennis Ahearn is active as the webmaster. I have stayed on Dennis's mailing list. He learned of the new schedule (put into effect temporarily during recent downtown Washington, D.C. flooding) by the National Archives headquarters. Then Dennis emailed about NARA's plan to make the restricted hours permanent. This new policy would mean no Saturday hours as before, and only daytime hours on Monday through Friday, cutting out the evening hours on one day a week. Today Dennis emailed to me the below opportunity to sign an online peition (or write a letter) organized by very big names in the U.S. genealogy (Dick Eastman put up the online petition site). I signed the petition, along with over 4300 signators to date. If you wish to also weigh in on this and are a U.S. resident, then by all means use the provided link and register your opinion. Sharon Carberry Georgia Dennis sent: "The following message was distributed to those attending last week's Federation of Genealogical Societies in Boston. Dear Conference Attendee: We were honored to have Dr. Allen Weinstein, Archivist of the United States attend the FGS/NEHGS 2006 Conference in Boston and to address us in the Opening Session on Thursday, August 31, 2006. Following his remarks, he was presented with a letter by the Chair of the Records Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC) addressing concerns about the proposed changes in the hours of operation for the Research Rooms at the National Archives. It has come to our attention that very few of our constituencies are making their voices heard on this issue. This lack of response sends a loud signal to the Archives that this is not a serious issue and that closing the Archives on evenings and Saturdays is irrelevant. The RPAC has recommended the following suggestions for the Archives to consider: 1) To accommodate the needs of those who need access on Saturdays, we propose that you close one other day per week. This would be at your discretion. Other archives often close Sunday and Monday. 2) Users who need evening hour access could be accommodated by opening the archives later in the day, again at your discretion. If you agree with the recommendations stated above, we are asking your support by immediately going on-line and adding your 'signature' to our petition to substitute the hours of access and still help the archives to meet their need to consolidate their hours of operation. Before 8 September 2006, please go to: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/FGS2006/petition.html (Case sensitive) If you would like to send your own personal letter, send it prior to 8 September 2006 and address it to: Regulations Comments Desk (NPOL) Room 4100, Policy and Planning Staff National Archives and Records Administration 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001 " [end of message]

Can anybody help me please with information about Edmond O'Callaghan of Kilgorey Esq and Francis Mac Namara of Moyriesk Esq in the late 18th century? In his will of 1779 Edmund Burke of Meelick instructed that the sums of money devised to his children were to be paid from the sale of his stock and from the several judgement debts due to him from the above gentlemen, amounting to the sum of £10,000. I have no idea who Edmond O'Callaghan may have been but I suspect that Francis MacNamara may have been a connection of John MacNamara of Quin and Major "Fireball" MacNamara. Any information or suggestions as to possible sources of information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all. Brendan Burke Dublin.

There is a McNamara descendant on the list who can likely help you far more efficiently that I can with my assorted notes. However, I am sending along a reference to the next generation following the one that you are seeking, plus a little more on the O'Callaghans. Sharon Carberry GB/NNAF/P4550 Calcutt, Francis Macnamara (1819-1863) MP for Clare Scope c1850-63: letters (22) to JB Macnamara Repository National Library of Ireland Record Reference MS 18898 Deep background on the O'Callaghans' arrival in Clare-- "The act for settling Ireland was passed by the English parliament in August 1652. While the land was being surveyed the government was deciding who should forfeit land. Degrees of guilt were established and penalties defined. The result was that owners of Irish land, whether they were Catholic, Protestant or Old English were to suffer... Donogh O' Callaghan of County Cork forfeited three quarters of his 12,000 acre estate. He was assigned 3,000 acres in East Clare in lieu of the proportion he was entitled to retain (he lost all his Cork land). One of the Clare landowners who was forced to make way for him was Donogh O' Malony of Kilgorey who forfeited 166 acres and was assigned in turn, 41 acres in Kilseily parish nearby." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monticue/Pendergrast_line.htm Of potential utility: O CALLAGHAN MS 261-276 Betham Sketch Pedigrees Series 1, III, p..105 of Montallon & Liscullane, Co. Clare MS 261-276 Betham Sketch Pedigrees Series 1, III, p.105 of Co. Clare & Co. Tipperary MS 527 McLysaght MSS, p. 142-3 of Co. Cork and Co. Clare ----- Original Message ----- ... Can anybody help me please with information about Edmond O'Callaghan of Kilgorey Esq and Francis Mac Namara of Moyriesk Esq in the late 18th century? ... I have no idea who Edmond O'Callaghan may have been but I suspect that Francis MacNamara may have been a connection of John MacNamara of Quin and Major "Fireball" MacNamara. Any information or suggestions as to possible sources of information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all. Brendan Burke Dublin.

Thanks, Sharon, I signed the petition and forwarded it to my sister-in-law who is also researching with me. I have been in Canada for the summer and she is back in Houston, Tx. Joseph

This covers O'Callaghan of Kilgorey: http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC11027350&id=Ha0EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1-IA336& lpg=PA1-IA336&dq=tulla Let me know if that does not result in a legible page for you. I can send it as an attachment to a private email address. Sharon Carberry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Burke" <bburke@indigo.ie> To: <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] O'Callaghan & MacNamara Can anybody help me please with information about Edmond O'Callaghan of Kilgorey Esq and Francis Mac Namara of Moyriesk Esq in the late 18th century? In his will of 1779 Edmund Burke of Meelick instructed that the sums of money devised to his children were to be paid from the sale of his stock and from the several judgement debts due to him from the above gentlemen, amounting to the sum of £10,000. I have no idea who Edmond O'Callaghan may have been but I suspect that Francis MacNamara may have been a connection of John MacNamara of Quin and Major "Fireball" MacNamara. Any information or suggestions as to possible sources of information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all. Brendan Burke Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

Thank you. As I said in another post, she was married in Kildysart. Yes, and I forgot to think about the Clare Library for a townland name. Alanna Brendan Burke <bburke@indigo.ie> wrote: Hi Alanna, I think your Glancanane may be Glenconaun in Killadysert parish. For future reference, may I refer you to the Clare Library website list of townlands. You'll find it on www.clarelibrary.ie eolas/coclare/places/townland.htm It's a great help on occasions like yours. Brendan Burke Dublin.

Thank you. The handwriting is so bad that I am not sure. The handwriting on my father's birth certificate is so bad also. In his case all the "o" and "a" letters look the same. The marriage took place in Kildysert. Alanna Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> wrote: Hi, this is possibly Glenconaun, Kildysert, Declan

Thank you to all who shared their varying experiences with the free-access day at Origins.net. It seems that at some point the free access mechanism was activated. When I returned home last night, I tried again (having signed up in the wee morning hours) and clicked through to the desired databases with no problem at all. Then I spent 3 solid hours of reaping info, which I cannot fully display here due to the terms of service. There were some surprises and there was some info which can serve as a useful overview as I continue my research. I would like to share a little bit with listmembers now, in a question-and-answer format. The three databases which I searched were the militia attestations, the wills index, and the signators of the 1848 William Smith O'Brien petition (this latter database being the one which provides a useful overview of men having the same surname and the part of the county where they lived). This site has a handy way to access surname variants, which reliably bring up good ones; I used that extensively in order to reach all possibilities. Sharon Carberry Georgia 1. What East Clare surnames (of the ones that I inputted) were markedly missing from the databases? HARDGROVE/Hargrove - nothing at all BARRON: one only, Thomas Baron in Corofin, as an 1848 signator of the O'Brien petition 2. What brand new (to me) spelling variant of a well- known East Clare name appeared ? LEDDY Michael Laddy is listed in 1848 as signing the O'Brien petition in Newmarket on Fergus. 3. What happened to the surname NESTOR, which appears sparsely in Clare records but all around the county ? The 1848 O'Brien petition signators named Nestor all signed in/near Ennis: Andrew, John, and Thomas in Ennis, and Michael in Clare Abbey. 4. What unusual Clare surname appeared in only one small locality ? Two (maybe three) men named LUCEY, the only ones listed for the surname Lukey (associated with the Davoren family) were shown in the Militia Attestation database as born in Kilkee: Martin (twice) and James. 5. What surname routinely appearing elsewhere in numerous variations appeared in the 1848 O'Brien petition database as only one spelling (which I assume is the spelling preferred by Clare families) ? The O'Brien signators all appear as ROUGHAN: 15 men in/near Ennis and one (John) in Tulla. 6. Any Kilkishen listings ? Matthew MEEHAN in "Kil--- nr. Six Mile Bridge" in a Militia Attestation file. John GRACE in "Kilkeshan, Co. Clare" in a Militia Attestation file. 7. What insight was there for the Frawley/Fraly enigma ? The will dated 14 Aug 1812 of Owen FRALY residing Knockacarn, Clare, is on file as an abstract. This man may well be the grandfather of the apparent brothers Owen and Patrick Frawley of Lackyle, mid-1800s. A transcript exists of the 1836 will of Rev. Patrick McMahon was handled by Rev. Charles FALY of "Trulla" as executor. The 1848 O'Brien petition signators of the surname included these men signing at Newmarket on Fergus: Frawley: Jerry, John (two), and Martin Fraly: Michael 8. What were the surprise connections between East Clare families (among those which I am researching) ? McNAMARA A grant from the estate of Martin McNamara residing "Kimrrygaul" (Kilmurray na gall, just south of Kilkishen) was made on 20 Aug 1816 to his daughter-in-law Catherine McNamara "alias Donnellan" (referring to her maiden name). McCARTY A marriage license was granted in 1780 to Thomas McCarty concerning Ann Connell, spinster residing Cross, Clare. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RichmondK8@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins > It does work! I just went thru the process to register and I did not give > any payment info. After putting in my demographics, and agreeing to 'terms of > service', I was on a page that had my account info that said I had the 24 hours > free access. I thought I was at a dead end for the 'free access', but > noticed that I had a 'logout' at the top of the page (which meant I was 'logged in') > so I clicked on the tab at the top of the page for 'Irish Origins' and I was > in without a problem. I did not click on the link to subscribe when I was on > that 'account' page because that would have asked me for payment. > > Kathleen Richmond > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >

Hi betty, Not sure if there is such a place as Ballyhogue but there is a Ballyhoge in County Wexford. Hope this helps. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "betty" <bkrhodes@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The O'Gorman Trail > BALLYHOGUE. > Anyone know where this might be, > > Looking for James O'Gorman. wife ANN.. 1840/50's > > Please and Thankyou. > betty > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This Wednesday at 9.00p.m. BBC1 T.V. begins a new series of: "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE": Barbara Windsor's of East Enders and Carry On Fame suspicion that she's an East End Londoner through and through are correct when she goes back through the generations of her family. That is, until she comes to her great grandmother, who hailed from Cork and had to move to London slums during the famine. Well worth a look. Happy viewing: Larry.

Hey, Mike, many thanks for flagging that http://www.immigrantships.net/. Of course, everyone else on the List will have known about this website for eons and heads will be shaking accordingly but I'm used to being kept in the dark and it's made a great start to the day. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: 05 September 2006 00:30 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins I managed to get in with no problem also. Although their system seems to be rather clunky. When a search should five pages, only one would open and records are limited. Example are the passenger lists. Sounds great but only one year (1890) is listed. Better to go to the Immigrant Transcribers Guild for hundreds of passenger lists. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <RichmondK8@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins > It does work! I just went thru the process to register and I did not give > any payment info. After putting in my demographics, and agreeing to > 'terms of > service', I was on a page that had my account info that said I had the 24 > hours > free access. I thought I was at a dead end for the 'free access', but > noticed that I had a 'logout' at the top of the page (which meant I was > 'logged in') > so I clicked on the tab at the top of the page for 'Irish Origins' and I > was > in without a problem. I did not click on the link to subscribe when I was > on > that 'account' page because that would have asked me for payment. > > Kathleen Richmond > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty, Try: http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm They have 65,000 place names listed! Jenny Melbourne, Oz -----Original Message----- From: bkrhodes@bigpond.net.au To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The O'Gorman Trail BALLYHOGUE. Anyone know where this might be, Looking for James O'Gorman. wife ANN.. 1840/50's Please and Thankyou. betty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Dear List, Sometimes one can read a document and still miss some information. That is why I will re-read a document. Found that my Nancy O'Connor was born in 1847 in Glancanane. I think that is the spelling. Where is this location, please. Alanna

Origins is now posting this message: ATTENTION: 14.20 GMT 4/9/06 Due to an unexpectedly high demand for our Free Access offer, we are temporarily unable to allow any new free registrations. We hope to allow free registrations later in the day so please check back later. Origins Network Team. 4 September 2006 I guess they have a limited number of free access registrations. This is the second time they have pulled this and one can never get past the paid registration. I no longer believe what they say. It appears to be just a hook to get one in. Janet On 9/4/06, Dave Spang <dspang@adelphia.net> wrote: > I used "contact us" for the same reason. I happened to be on late enough > last night to get in but again got stumped by the paid subsciption. > > I was hopeful of hearing this morning (EDT) but no word yet. Will let the > list know > > Dave Spang > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:38 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] free access to Origins on Sept. 4th > > > I am having a similar difficulty. I successfully completed the required > sign-up but cannot progress beyond the registration details screen without > going to a screen which requires selecting a paid subscription. Per the > terms of service, > once I have selected such a plan, I am legally bound to > pay for it. There is no way to reference the free-access > offer while doing the subscription process. >

I managed to get in with no problem also. Although their system seems to be rather clunky. When a search should five pages, only one would open and records are limited. Example are the passenger lists. Sounds great but only one year (1890) is listed. Better to go to the Immigrant Transcribers Guild for hundreds of passenger lists. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <RichmondK8@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Free Access to Origins > It does work! I just went thru the process to register and I did not give > any payment info. After putting in my demographics, and agreeing to > 'terms of > service', I was on a page that had my account info that said I had the 24 > hours > free access. I thought I was at a dead end for the 'free access', but > noticed that I had a 'logout' at the top of the page (which meant I was > 'logged in') > so I clicked on the tab at the top of the page for 'Irish Origins' and I > was > in without a problem. I did not click on the link to subscribe when I was > on > that 'account' page because that would have asked me for payment. > > Kathleen Richmond > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It does work! I just went thru the process to register and I did not give any payment info. After putting in my demographics, and agreeing to 'terms of service', I was on a page that had my account info that said I had the 24 hours free access. I thought I was at a dead end for the 'free access', but noticed that I had a 'logout' at the top of the page (which meant I was 'logged in') so I clicked on the tab at the top of the page for 'Irish Origins' and I was in without a problem. I did not click on the link to subscribe when I was on that 'account' page because that would have asked me for payment. Kathleen Richmond

Pete, Thank you kindly for sending along that info. I have seen the scale along the bottom of such maps. What happened was that I was clearing out old messages to myself, which I do while surfing the Web. However on this occasion I had not had my first cup of coffee and lack of mental clarity put me back in the days when I had my first such map and could not find the scale. Messages made after 8 a.m. or so are always better than the ones prior to that time. My apologies for muddying the waters. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com>; <sm8carberry@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] another link, Distance scale for Discovery Series maps > Sharon at sm8carberry@comcast.net writes: > > > If anyone else has a better way to determine miles on a Discovery Series > Map, > kindly post about it. < > > Sharon, > > I'm not sure when this thread started (I only went back to late Aug. archives > <gr>), so I'm not sure if you are referring to the actual Discovery maps, or > representations of them on websites. The actual maps have a scale at the > bottom of the sheet, so that shouldn't be a problem. Maps on the web can be any > scale, of course. The best guide with the Discovery map images is to use the > pale blue grid lines as a guide. They are spaced 2 cm. apart on the actual > map, and represent a distance of 1 km. on the ground. A mile is very-roughly 1.6 > kms., so one square and 6/10 of the next one will be one mile. That should > help. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >

My apologies for recommending Origins. Couldn't try it out first because it hadn't as yet gone into effect. Jan