My great great grandmother was Bridget Keane, of whom I know very little. She married my great great grandfather on the 25th February, 1838/1839.. discrepancy between what a cousin has told me and what was published in Kilmaley magazine. They were married in Kilmaley, Co Clare and went on to live in Connolly, Clonboula. ( formerly Clonbooly) I have no further details on Michael... I do know that my great grandfather Patrick was born c1861, taking his age from the 1901 Census, married c1895 to Ellen McGuane and died in 1937. During my research, I had Ancestral Findings do a lookup for me and they have come up with following... hope someone else can benefit from it. Unless my Bridget used her maiden name, these references won't relate to her. Any help finding more on Michael & Bridget would be appreciated. Chris *Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864* Keane, Bridget County : Cavan Parish : Urney Location : Creighan/T/Cavan/Mud Wall *Keane, Bridget County : Clare* * Parish : Clooney* * Location : Muckinish* *Keane, Bridget County : Clare* * Parish : Drumcreehy* * Location : Muckinish East* *Keane, Bridget County : Clare* * Parish : Kilmanaheen* * Location : Town of Ennistimon Newtown Street* *Keane, Bridget County : Clare* * Parish : Kilrush* * Location : Moanmore Lower* Keane, Bridget County : Cork Parish : Youghal Location : Barnageehy East Keane, Bridget County : Down Parish : Clonallan Location : Mayo Keane, Bridget County : Galway Parish : Abbeyknockmoy Location : Brierfield (Toole) Keane, Bridget County : Galway Parish : Clontuskert Location : Abbeypark Keane, Bridget County : Galway Parish : Killoscobe Location : Cloonoran Oughter Keane, Bridget County : Kilkenny Parish : Dunkitt Location : Blossomhill Keane, Bridget County : Kilkenny Parish : Dunkitt Location : Dunkitt Keane, Bridget County : Leitrim Parish : Fenagh Location : Kilmacsherwell Keane, Bridget County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Banagher Location : Umrycam Keane, Bridget County : Londonderry/Derry Parish : Learmount Location : Loughtilube Keane, Bridget County : Mayo Parish : Kilcolman Location : Clare, Church-Street Keane, Bridget County : Tipperary Parish : Borrisokane Location : Lisleighbeg Keane, Bridget County : Tipperary Parish : Dorrha Location : Annagh Keane, Bridget County : Tipperary Parish : Uskane Location : Curragh Keane, Bridget County : Waterford Parish : Whitechurch Location : Ballylemon Upper Keane, Bridget County : Wexford Parish : Carnew Location : Money

Toni I saw how many look ups you need to do. It will keep you busy for a long time. I already have a few of my births from that period. I was hoping to pick up some new ones I might have missed. Do not worry about mine. But sometime when you have time, I would like to know about your O'Malleys. Thanks Teri O'Rourke - Meehan - Green (e ) O'Malley Hi Everyone, Just wanted you to know it's taking a little more time than I anticipated to look up these names. I was a little naive since I thought it would be easy to distinquish a Clare birth from another County......such is not the case. I learned how much I don't know about Towns, Parishes, etc. since sometimes one of these is indicated and sometimes just the County! If you asked for a place other than Clare I am looking for that too, as long as it's specific. Hope to start posting soon. Toni Chilly upstate NY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Several years ago, Cindy, I downloaded a one page diagram showing the cross relationships from the Genealogy Research Library (GRL) founded and operated out of Brampton, Ontario. Their 'Holdings' for Canadian research are extensive, but it is a subscription members only with the most reasonable fees, for example Cdn$75. per year with full accession a 24/365 basis see http://www.grl.com/ for full details, if interested. "***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please! ***** ***** And, thanks for such consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ndhockey49112@aol.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] First cousins > One of the more interesting local family history thesis that I read > recently > took the relationship question to considerable lengths. That man took a > couple, Joshua Keays (1896-1976) and his wife Mary Anne Keays (Keays at > birth, > Keays at death, 1907-1964) and computed their relationship through a > myriad of > ancestors. He wound up with 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins, 3 cousins once > removed, 5th cousins, and on and on. His thesis premise was the myriad > of ways N. > Tipperary and Limerick Protestants wound up being related to each other, > but > I'd guess it applies to just about any family in Ireland in the 1800 and > 1900s. Gives a lot of credibility to that old ditty "I'm my own > grandpa". > > Cindy

The Middletown Daily Argus June 9, 1897 Middletown New York Patrick Ryan Patrick Ryan, 63 years old, was stricken with apoplexy in Port Jervis about 7 o'clock Tuesday morning, while on his way to work and died before a physician reached him. Mr Ryan was a native of County Clare, Ireland and came to this country 30 years ago. He resided at Otisville until ten years ago when he removed to Port Jervis. He was an industrious man, who did his full duty in all the relations of life. He is survived by his widow and nine children, one of whom is Mrs. Joseph Carroll of this city. I am not related to, nor do I have any further information on this family.

Thanks for the info on the famine in Clare. I had not read that one. Here is the full words to the song if you are interested. Mary McCaw -----Original Message----- From: sm8carberry@comcast.net To: IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [CLARE] A tug at the heart For those seeking an unvarnished historical perspective and a bit of a good cry, you would do well to find the book entitled Black Potatoes: The Story of the Great Irish Famine, 1845-1850 by Susan Campbell Bartoletti. Look in the juvenile non-fiction section of your library, as this was written for teens. It is only 172 pages and features lots of those wonderful Illustrated London News pictures of the time. However, it is an excellent overview of the many aspects of the famine era, not simplified, with attention to detail (just no footnotes or in-text citations). Thus it is an "easy read" although the author pulls no punches in terms of the hardships and realities of the famine. Her sources are plainly stated and are standard, except that she heavily relied on one which we know well: the Clare County Library, which she acknowledges as offering "a wealth of information at its Web site..." Consequently, she has anecdotal sections featuring Clare locations. That is how I learned of this book, because a Google book search brought up this book's reference to Moveen. Unfortunately that turned out to be only the caption to a picture: "In County Clare, nearly the entire village of Moveen was evicted a few days before Christmas." pp. 108-09. To gain an idea of how many people were involved in that eviction, take a look at the Moveen population recorded in the Tithe Applotment of 1827, at http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/moyarta_tab.htm Then you may realize what inspired Michael Flanagan of nearby Inagh to sing as he did about those times (see below article taken off the Web). Sharon Carberry Info found at www.mudcat.org "The following is reprinted from 'Traditional Songs and Singers' published by Comhaltas Ceoltóiri Éireann (1977?), where Séamus Mac Mathúna says: LONE SHANAKYLE I was sure that this song had been "lost" as I had never heard more than a few lines of it in a score or more years; but when I met Michael Flanagan of Inagh in 1974 it was the first song on his lips. It comes from the Kilrush area of County Clare. Shanakyle (in Irish, SeanaChill) is the site of a graveyard outside Kilrush, and Inis Cathaigh is, of course, St. Senan's Island - also known as Scattery Island, on the Shannon. There is a passion and sincerity in Michael Flanagan's rendering which never fails to grip his listeners; some lines paint a startling, even an appalling picture, e.g.- "Dark, dark is the night-cloud o'er lone Shanakyle Where the murdered sleep silently pile upon pile In the coffinless graves of poor Erin." The parish of Kilrush and the surrounding areas were most grievous strucken during the famine years. A total of over 3,900 people died in the workhouse in Kilrush during the three years 1847-'49 and most of these were carted to a common famine pit in Shanakyle. The evidence can be seen in the graveyard to this day, and no amount of re-writing of Irish history can change these facts. Lone Shanakyle was written by Thomas Madigan of Carnacalla, Kilrush (1797-1881) who was a scholar and poet, writing in both English and Irish and a friend of that other renowned West Clare scholar Eoghan 0 Comhrai. Lone Shanakyle was probably written during the 1860's, the last verse being inspired by the expected Fenian Rising. The air is a variant of the "Paistin Fionn" MICHAEL FLANAGAN of Ballyduffbeg, Inagh, Co. Clare, was 81 years of age when I recorded this song and some ten others from him in April 1974. Even at that age he is one of the best traditional singers I have heard. He sings with a heart and involvement which one might expect from a man of half his years." ==== IRL-CLARE Mailing List ==== http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/1901_clare_census.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

An old joke, but a Goody 'Eryish' one for those who have either heard before, or would love to smile again. "An old Mother Superior lay dying in a convent with her faithful sisters gathered around her trying to comfort her and prepare her for the final journey. " But the old lady refused to eat or take any nourishment of any kind. In desperation, one of the Sisters prepared a warm glass of fresh milk for her. After the smallest sip, the Mother Superior refused that too. The Sister returned to the kitchen with the milk, but just before she tipped it down the sink she noticed the bottle of Jameson Whiskey which the convent had received as a gift the previous Christmas from the Bishop. Hoping it might make the milk more palatable for her the beloved Mother, she added a generous dollop of the whiskey to the milk, and then another wee drop. Returning to the Mother's bedside, she coaxed her to take a sip - which she did, and then she took another sip and another big gulp. A few moments later she seemed very much relieved and somewhat brighter. The Sisters were greatly heartened by the Mother Superior's improvement and they said to her, "Dear Mother, before you leave us could you offer us some words of wisdom with which we will remember you when you are gone?" The Mother Superior raised herself ever so slightly and said.... "Sisters, do not Ever, ever ... sell that cow!" ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please! ***** ***** And, thanks for such consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar

In a message dated 9/14/2006 3:38:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, irl-clare-request@rootsweb.com writes: Actually, I wanted to interject a question about my family's arms, if I may. In my family, the Foleys of Clare, the tendency for describing the arms usually involves not nearly as technical terms as you, Mike and Padraig, have been using. In my mother's generation, for instance, the arms are considered flabby but tanned, like a turkey's waddle, if I may. Then, going back another generation, the arms were much more descriptive of the Foley's social class at that time: muscular and lean. So my question is: what could be more important on a genealogy list than a really spirited discussion of Irish arms? Insincerely, Jeanne ============= Jeanne: Whether your comments are really "insincere" or not I think they are valid, so I hope nobody is offended if I jump in here. You may be aware that MacLysaght, a librarian by training, not a genealogist or heraldist, does not show armorial bearings (a more proper term which cannot be confused with firearms, which we in the USA still possess by natural right and constitutional guarantee) for any of the several FOLEY families in Ireland. Nevertheless, there is nothing wrong with designing or keeping a coat-of-arms used for some generations in your family. Find a good heraldic artist to do the work and be proud of it. If you're an American, have it copyrighted or registered as a trademark. Fees are very modest compared with the huge amounts (thousands of US dollars!) now being asked by the Chief Herald which would give you essentially the same thing as a new grant, without even a confirmation of any pre-existing noble arms. You should remember that coats-of-arms, like Irish chiefly titles, descend normally through the male line (sorry ladies!) as they are the identification banners of warriors - very few females among those. I must wonder if it is the modern false egalitarian sentiment that arouses such animosity on this otherwise simple subject! Of course, on a genealogical chart or other document you can display the arms of any ancestor having a right to arms. As for the character of the charges (depictions) in a coat-of-arms there is no dogmatic format. The choice of appearance is yours. Historically, armorial bearings convey an impression of strength and seriousness, sometimes also of royal and sacred symbolism. Most heraldists understand this. For example, I instructed my heraldic artists that the three sacred salmon in my coat-of-arms (Confirmed as a differenced version of the arms of OCathain of Ulster, via Co. Clare) be depicted as "fierce", rather than as the flabby, couch-potato fish shown in most popular reference books. He knew exactly what I meant. I must take issue with remarks claiming that others on this list have more important things to discuss. This is a list of Co. Clare genealogy, which is inseparable from Co. Clare heraldry. Many Clare families from whom I and many of you are descended were of ancient Irish noble origins, if not in the male line then certainly among their 1024 ancestors a mere ten generations ago. Some may not wish to pursue the "noble thing", but that's their hard luck in my opinion, and I hope they are successful in their research among the "peasants" and "sheep stealers" whom they seem so anxious to claim! Actually these references are repetitions of centuries of English propaganda. Queen Elizabeth I summed up her view of the Irish as "All Irish are bastards" - meaning they refused to marry in the Church of England, thus not married at all! Irish nobility has lasted at least 2500 years through direct male lines which can now be sorted out through Y-DNA testing. There have been some surprises, but we are interested in real history, not fantasy. Heraldry plays an important part in the total picture. The O'Cahan

<<some U.S. families were fortunate in having their children survive the many diseases which were prevalent before the advent of penicillin >> I would add: and before the advent of vaccinations against common childhood diseases. Even recently (e.g. 100 years ago) an epidemic of a common disease such as measles which most of us nowadays regard as a trivial illness would pick off substantial numbers of children. Tuberculosis was a common killer, now largely defeated by antibiotics except in certain special patient populations which have bred resistant strains. Cram a bunch of people into an emigrant boat so that they are almost sleeping on top of each other for a few weeks, add one person coughing TB bacilli and bingo! ten other travellers will be coughing a couple of months later and will wonder where they got it from. At least two of my ancestors died of tuberculosis at the beginning of the 20th century. Meningitis, once it appeared in a high-density community would spread rapidly and kill or permanently brain-damage most of its victims. One of my great-uncles died of meningitis in Massachusetts. He was a prison warder, an ideal environment for picking up the disease. And so on and so forth. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 14 September 2006 14:33 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Daniel O'Neil, b.c. 1828 Kilkishen, d. 1886 NYC The cemeterly listing is posted immediately after the heading referring to the Old Calvary Cemetery book. I then left a space and followed the family in the U.S. censuses. I always go forward and backward a page or two when I view an online census page, in order to pick up more Clare-born. In this instance I instead saw the brothel listed, which may well have been in the same building as the family. As to children dying young, some U.S. families were fortunate in having their children survive the many diseases which were prevalent before the advent of penicillin. I have a set of ggrandparents who lived on an upstate farm (Kingston NY), both resident in this country for over 20 years at the time of their early 1880s marriage, were healthy (I visited this ggmother until her death in 1957) and adept in childraising, yet they lost the middle three babies of their 9 children due to various illnesses. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Daniel O'Neil, b.c. 1828 Kilkishen, d. 1886 NYC > Hi Sharon, from you knowledge and experience the second item below list is > very thought provoking - it looks more like an entry from a census return. > The entry about the prostitutes residence is unusual. I can't even speculate > on why it is in the book, and the very young children who died - was there a > cholera outbreak or other epidemic raging in N.Y.C at the time? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Daniel O'Neil, b.c. 1828 Kilkishen, d. 1886 NYC > > > > Old Calvary Cemetery, p. 83 [of the book, see below] > > Headstone #1111 > > O'Neil > > [by] Margaret [for] husband Daniel d. 20 Mar 1886 age 58 > > native of Kilkishen, Clare > > his granddaughter Catherine Mullane age 6 mo. > > > > > > 1870 NY New York Co. [Manhattan], 4th Ward > > O'Neil > > Daniel 40 Ire longshoreman > > Margareth 37 Ire > > Mary 18 Ire bookfolder > > Bartholomew 14 NY appr bookbinder > > Paul 11 > > Dennis 8 > > Daniel 5 > > James 2 > > > > 4 housing units away from a "house of ill fame" > > Anna Quirk 28 Ire as head > > 4 prostitutes, ages 19 to 23, three of whom b. Ire > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Boo! Hiss!! That was painful. Genie Flahie > [Original Message] > From: Patrick Casey <pcasey@compuserve.com> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Date: 9/14/2006 5:55:56 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] The Arms of the Irish > > > Unfortunately, Jeanne, the Irish do not have the US-Americans' > constitutional right to bare arms. > > P�draig (the Paddy that was) > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jeanne Foley Dwyer > Sent: 14 September 2006 02:02 > To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The Arms of the Irish > > > > Actually, I wanted to interject a question about my family's arms, if I may. > In my family, the Foleys of Clare, the tendency for describing the arms > usually involves not nearly as technical terms as you, Mike and Padraig, > have been using. In my mother's generation, for instance, the arms are > considered flabby but tanned, like a turkey's waddle, if I may. Then, going > back another generation, the arms were much more descriptive of the Foley's > social class at that time: muscular and lean. So my question is: what could > be more important on a genealogy list than a really spirited discussion of > Irish arms? > > Insincerely, > Jeanne > > padraigogealagain <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike O'Brien" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] : The Arms of Irish Septs- An Explanation (Part 1) > > > >> I think we should let this go for now. The others may have more > >> important > > things to talk about on this list > > Yes, indeed, a good idea!. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting this, Sharon. I've picked up 2 Caseys and a Howard which could be "mine". Can't yet place them in my puzzle but they've gone into the bag of puzzle pieces which is regularly shaken out onto the table and gone over. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: 14 September 2006 14:18 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Foley, Clare via Cork to W. NYS This is not my family, but emigration of two whole families was not a common event in the famine or shortly afterward. I made some attempt to locate them, with apparent success for the family listed second on this ship's manifest: Cork, Ireland to New York 14 April 1851 Ship Mississippi 226 Patrick Foley 56 227 Norry Foley 50 228 Mick Foley 22 229 Tade Foley 20 [see below] 230 Mary Foley 18 231 Norry Foley 14 232 Johannah Foley 7 233 Danl Foley 40 [se below] 234 Margaret Foley 35 235 Mary Foley 16 236 Margt Foley 14 237 Patrick Foley 11 238 Timothy Foley 7 http://www.immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/mississippi18510414.html 1860: several single Timothys of the right age, including: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Timothy 30 Ire laborer Julia 40 Ire Daniel 8/12 NY John 14 Ire Margaret 16 " Mary Casey 26 Ire dressmaker The probability is that this is the Daniel Foley family of the 1851 ship manifest: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 50 Ire laborer Margaret 43 Ire Mary 23 " Margaret 20 " Patrick 18 " Timothy 14 " John 10 " Daniel 7 NY Dennis 4 " Ann 1 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 60 Ire laborer Margaret 53 Ire Mary 30 " John 20 " moulder Dennis 15 NY Anna 11 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, Margareth 24 Ire servant [with several similar, in hotel] 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 4th Ward Foley Daniel 71 Ire laborer Margaret 63 Ire Mary 42 Ire single John 28 Ire single moulder Daniel 27 NY single moulder 1900 VT Washington Co, Barre, 6th Ward Foley Daniel 48 NY b. Jan 1852 pars: Ire stone cutter Julia 34 NY pars: Ire mar'd 17 yrs, no children born This is another Foley who may or may not be related to the above Daniel Foley family: 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, John 21 PA pars: Ire RR brakeman, single in household of Maloney Lawrence 35 Ire laborer Norah 40 " wife Mary 70 " mother, widow Daniel 25 " brother, single works for telegraph line This appears to be the biography of the above John Foley; go to indicated webpage for his photo: "JOHN J. FOLEY, Huntington, Indiana. John J. Foley is a native of Pennsylvania, having been born in New Castle County on March 16, 1858. His father, Daniel Foley, was a railroad man, so that it was but natural that the young man, after acquiring a common school education, should turn his attention to the railroad business. When he was 16 years of age he secured employment on the Dunkirk, Allegheny Valley & Pittsburg Railroad and worked as splice boy on a construction crew. After seven months he left to accept a position as driver for the Warren County insane asylum, a place he held for eight months, going from there to work in the planing mill. Shortly after this he accepted a position as brakeman on the D., A. V. & P. Railroad, and for six years ran between Dunkirk and Titusville. In 1882, Mr. Foley resigned and accepted a similar position on the Chicago & Atlantic, and a year later he was advanced to fireman. Three years afterward he was promoted to engineer, since which time he has been engaged in the freigh! t service and has won a high place in the estimation of the officials by his efficient work. He is a highly respected citizen of his community and is well liked by his fellow oemployes, being a prominent member of the B. of L. E., Division 221. In April, 1888, he was married to Miss Ellen Cramer, daughter of Patrick Cramer, a railroad man in the employ of the "Big Four," at Larue. Ohio, for the past forty years. They have a charming family of three children, Evelyn, aged 10, and Eileen, aged 9, are both attending St. Mary's school, while John Louis, the baby is the especial care of Mrs. Foley, who looks after her family with true motherly instinct." from: "American Locomotive Engineers, Erie Railway Edition," H.R. Romans Editor; Crawford-Adsit Company Publishers, Chicago, IL 1899. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sponholz/biojjfoley.html 1900 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 27 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 48 Ire b. Mch 1852 img'd 1864 day laborer Hanorah 56 Ire b. Mch 1844 img'd 1860 bro. Patrick Maloney 60 Ire May 1840 img'd 1864 single day lab'r niece Rosa McMahon 19 NJ Aug 1881 pars: Ire servant, single boarder Harrry King 50 NY Mch 1850 mar'd, for 21 yrs pars: Ire machinist 1910 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 318 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 60 Ire laborer, RR img'd 1870 widower nice Rose McMann 24 NJ single pars: Ire 1920 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward Maloney Lawrence 75 Ire img'd 186_ nat'd 1870 lab'r, track RR wife Margaret 61 NY pars: Ire g'd dau Doloras Watrus 7 NY pars: NY same house, also a head of household: Maloney, Mary 69 Ire img'd 1864, nat'd 1872 Roll of Honor appeared in the June 2, 1899 edition of the Dunkirk Union http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/SOLDBUR.HTM St. Mary's Cemetery Capt. Patrick Barrett Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV C.F. Maloney Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV Philip M. McAvoy Co. E. 72 NYV Daniel F. Foley Jr. Co. E. 72 NYV ... Soldier and Sailors System database, online: Cornelius Maloney 72 NY Infantry, Co. E Francis Foley, 72 NY Infantry, Co. B posted by Sharon Carberry research in Dunkirk NY is for Tynan family of Oatfield, Clare ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, That's a very legitimate question, but of course the answer could be a various as all the counties which ever had an asylum. Every decade more recent than the 1860s increases the chances that the records survived. However, if the state permits access at all, it is likely limited to those who need to know, especially as one nears the boundary of denied access for records as a whole, such as 80 years back from the present. A direct descendant would likely fit into those recognized as having a need to know, but the effort to establish your relationship may not be worth it if little new information can be gleaned from the record. The person being admitted may well not have been lucid, and the younger generation assisting in the admission may not have known or have heard correctly info on prior generations, the same issue arising with death certificates. However, a book likely dealing with access to institutional records of this type is: Szucs, Loretto Dennis The source : a guidebook of American genealogy Rev. ed. 1996 I read an earlier version of this book when it was compiled by Arlene Eakle, and the breadth of coverage of record types is impressive and very helpful. You can also try consulting the reference librarian at your local library or the nearest university's library reference department. Sharon Carberry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Carmody" <mcarmody@osage.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Cugeron, Clare ? to IA, related to Maloney, Clancy > Sharon, > I noticed that some of the names you listed were from an asylum. Is there any way of getting records from an asylum from the 1860's or so? > mcarmody@osage.net > > 1893 Mt. Pleasant City Directory > > Coogerin Simon, lab at Asylum > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/henry/history/dir.txt > > > > 1880 1st Ward, Mt. Pleasant, Henry, Iowa > > Maroney [sic], Mary 53 Ire > > Cohran, Simon 32 Ire son, single laborer at assylum ...

Mary & Michael, My husband's grandfather was John Joseph CARMODY, b. 15/16 August 1863 in Ennis. He married Elizabeth Ann ALLOWAY on 18 Nov 1882. They apparently emigrated to Canada (near Sarnia, Ontario, across the river from Port Huron, Michiga) shortly after, because their 2 oldest daughters Mary Ellen (b. 26 Aug 1883) and Elizabeth Ann (b. 27 May 1885) were supposedly born in Ontario. Their next child, Andrew M. (b. 27 Sep 1887) was born in Port Huron, Michigan, as were their remaining children: Hugh William (b. 14 Aug 1890), Agnes J. (b. 2 Jun 1894), Margaret, and John Joseph, Jr. (b. 31 Oct 1898). Elizabeth (his wife) died 6 Jan 1921, and John Joseph married Mildred B. FITZGERALD 13 July 1921. They proceeded to have 3 more children: Michael Ashley (b. 19 Jun 1922), Joseph, and my late father-in-law, Gerald Alfred. According to John & Mildred's marriage record, his parents were Andrew CARMODY & Mary CALLERNY (her surname was in the crease of the book, and difficult to make out). I have not found confirmation of this in Ireland. John Joseph had at least 2 brothers, I believe, Patrick and Michael (b. abt. 1857). Michael died in Ireland, but sent many of his children to the Port Huron area, and traveled here himself (delivering Patrick and Lena to older siblings in 1912, per the Ellis Island site). Michael (and his wife, Mary Ann WHELAN) had one daughter who married a John MAHER, a son Edward, Margaret (b. 23 Aug 1879, married to James H. ALLOWAY), Andrew J. (b. 5 Mar 1886, married to Mary C.), Anna B. (b. 14 Apr 1888, married to Julius KLAMMER (divorced), then Frank M. BAUMAN), Patrick (b. abt 1897), and Lena H (b. 23-24 Sep 1898, married to Chester HAYNES (divorced)). I don't know for sure where the older 2 children died, but all of Michael's other children died in Michigan. The other brother, Patrick, had a son Andrew, but I don't know his other children. The 1901 census on the Clare Library web site has several Patrick CARMODY families, and I don't know which one is necessarily his. Most likely it's the one living closest to his brother, Michael. Michael's family was located in the Drumcliffe parish (per Anna's birth certificate), in the Borheen area (per Michael's death notice). The family names and ages in the 1901 census fit the information I have for him, and most of the kids hadn't emigrated yet, possibly just the oldest daughter, Margaret. He may be the Michael CARMODY mentioned in the 1880 Bassett's Directory of innkeepers, even though he would have been fairly young. The family did have a history of being in that business. Many other clusters of CARMODYs show up in other parts of the 1901 census, but I don't know if/how they are related. The only reference I find that might be John Joseph's father, Andrew, is in the 1855 Griffith's C-surnames. I find an Andrew there, in the Drumcliffe parish, Borheen--the same area I later find Michael's family, and Michael is due to be born in 1857. That's tentative, at best, though. I don't have any information about a Rosemary, Mary. Sorry. I don't have any Peter CARMODY hiding amongst the few names I have, either, Michael. If anyone has suggestions or ideas, I'm more than open to them. I'd like to fill out this family, and make some progress going back on these lines. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <marymmccawjr@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] l866 Index re CARMODY > > > Hi Christine, > You mentioned that you are researching CARMODY. Do you have any in Ennis > or Ennistymon? I am lookin for a family that adopted a girl named > Rosemary. > Thank you, > Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Carmody" <mcarmody@osage.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] l866 Index re CARMODY > Mary, > I am also researching the CARMODY name. Oral history says they were > from Ennis, but have no proof. Ours is a Peter CARMODY who married > Bridget > FLANAGAN in Ireland and came to the USA circa 1850 with 6 children. No > Rosemary though. > mcarmody@osage.net

ROFL! On 9/13/06, Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: > Ach, now, Jeanne, you have the advantage of all prior > discussion on this. Forewarned is fore armed. > > Sharon C. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" <socrates_399@yahoo.com> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:02 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The Arms of the Irish > > > > Actually, I wanted to interject a question about my family's arms, if I > may. In my family, the Foleys of Clare, the tendency for describing the arms > usually involves not nearly as technical terms as you, Mike and Padraig, > have been using. In my mother's generation, for instance, the arms are > considered flabby but tanned, like a turkey's waddle, if I may. Then, going > back another generation, the arms were much more descriptive of the Foley's > social class at that time: muscular and lean. So my question is: what could > be more important on a genealogy list than a really spirited discussion of > Irish arms? > > > > Insincerely, > > Jeanne > > > > padraigogealagain <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike O'Brien" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] : The Arms of Irish Septs- An Explanation (Part > 1) > > > > > > >> I think we should let this go for now. The others may have more > > >> important > > > things to talk about on this list > > > > Yes, indeed, a good idea!. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jeanne, And has the shot hit the target??????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" <socrates_399@yahoo.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] The Arms of the Irish > Sharon, now don't begrudge me my good intentions. I just wanted to give my favorite list a shot in the arm. > > Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: Ach, now, Jeanne, you have the advantage of all prior > discussion on this. Forewarned is fore armed. > > Sharon C. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne Foley Dwyer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:02 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The Arms of the Irish > > > > Actually, I wanted to interject a question about my family's arms, if I > may. In my family, the Foleys of Clare, the tendency for describing the arms > usually involves not nearly as technical terms as you, Mike and Padraig, > have been using. In my mother's generation, for instance, the arms are > considered flabby but tanned, like a turkey's waddle, if I may. Then, going > back another generation, the arms were much more descriptive of the Foley's > social class at that time: muscular and lean. So my question is: what could > be more important on a genealogy list than a really spirited discussion of > Irish arms? > > > > Insincerely, > > Jeanne > > > > padraigogealagain > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike O'Brien" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] : The Arms of Irish Septs- An Explanation (Part > 1) > > > > > > >> I think we should let this go for now. The others may have more > > >> important > > > things to talk about on this list > > > > Yes, indeed, a good idea!. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, I noticed that some of the names you listed were from an asylum. Is there any way of getting records from an asylum from the 1860's or so? mcarmody@osage.net > 1893 Mt. Pleasant City Directory > Coogerin Simon, lab at Asylum > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/henry/history/dir.txt > > 1880 1st Ward, Mt. Pleasant, Henry, Iowa > Maroney [sic], Mary 53 Ire > Cohran, Simon 32 Ire son, single laborer at assylum [sic] > Clancy, Patrick 51 Ire brother, single laborer on RR > >

Part one (already bounced once for being too large0I am not related to any of these people, so far as I know. I stumbled across Simon while doing some Maloney research. Sharon Carberry Georgia 1910 IA Henry Co., Center twp, 1108 E. Madison Cugerom Simon 64 Ire ditcher, tile drains img'd 1857, nat'd half-brother to Maloney, Kate 40 NY pars: Ire 1900 IA Henry Co, Mt. Pleasant, 1st Ward, 1168 E. Madison St. Cugeron Simon 51 Ire section hand img'd 1869, nat'd pars: Ire as a son, in household of Maloney, Mary 74 Ire wid, 5 ch b/2 liv [no img yr given] " dau. Kate 40 NY Dec 1859 pars: Ire 1893 Mt. Pleasant City Directory Coogerin Simon, lab at Asylum http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ia/henry/history/dir.txt 1880 1st Ward, Mt. Pleasant, Henry, Iowa Maroney [sic], Mary 53 Ire Cohran, Simon 32 Ire son, single laborer at assylum [sic] Clancy, Patrick 51 Ire brother, single laborer on RR MOUNT PLEASANT CITY - 1879 Caughran, Simon, laborer From "The History of Henry County, Iowa. Containing a History of the County, its Cities, Towns and Census." Chicago: Western Historical Company, 1879 1870 IA Henry Co., Center twp, Mt. Pleasant PO Maloney, Mary 44 Ire Simon 22 Ire works at hospital for insane [no different surname] Catherine 10 NY compare with: Pension application made 12/11/1920 [Clare library listing] John Cuggran residing Boultadoolin, Kildysart Found in 1851 census: Sinon & Nancy Cogran, md. 1845 Bridget 5; John 4; Marey 1 Mary Normil 70, mother in law Griffiths Valuation http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/griffiths_parish/killadysert.htm Coghran, Sinan Booltydoolan, Killadysert Maloney, John Cloonkett, Killadysert Clancy, Michael Cloonkett Hurley, Daniel Ballyvohane, Killadysert Hurley, Margaret Cloonulla, Killadysert Hurley, Denis Killadysert, Killadysert Hurly, Denis " Hurly, Denis Liscormick, Killadysert 1900 IA Henry Co., Jackson twp Clancy, Patrick 74 Ire single no img yr shown b-i-l to [his sister would be Margaret, 70] Hurley Cornelius 79 Ire Aug 1820 farmer no img yr shown Margaret 70 " Mar 1830 mar'd 44 yrs, 7 ch b/7 liv Bridget 38 IA Apr 1862 Kate 35 Apr 1865 Daniel H. 30 Jul 1869 1880 Salem, Henry, Iowa Hurley Cornelius 59 Ire farming Margaret 49 Ire John 22 IA " Becy 21 [female] Cornelius 19 " Kate 17 Mary 14 Dan 13 Patrick 11 Naturalizations, Henry Co. Clancy John Ireland 22 Mar 1859 Clancy Patrick Ireland 22 Mar 1859 http://www.rootsweb.com/~iahenry/irishnaturalizations.htm Henry Co., Iowa Death Records, Book 2 1894 - 1904 Clacy [sic] Patrick 77y RR Man 8 Sep 1903 s Ireland Jackson Twp Old Age Mt Pleasant Book 3 1906-1913 Hurley Katherine Center Twp. 87y 4 Feb 1907 Catholic Cemetery Hurley Cornelius Center Twp. 49y 8m 6d 6 Feb 1907 s farmer Iowa Hurley, Cornelius Ireland Mother: Clancey, M. 9 Nov 1910 Catholic Cemetery 11 Nov 1910 [Simon's sister] Maloney Kate Mt. Pleasant 24 Dec 1861 50y 5m 20d s New York Father: Maloney, Michael Ireland Mother: Glancay, Mary [sic, Clancy] 14 Jun 1912 Catholic Cemetery 16 Jun 1912 [Simon's mother] Maloney Mrs Mary Mt. Pleasant 85y w Ireland Father: Clancey, Patrick Ireland Mother: Prier 31 Jul 1909 Catholic Cemetery 2 Aug 1909

Rushing to make all the formatting changes needed before I could post this message, I left out the record reference to Co. Clare which caused me to label this as a Clare family. I will review my original hodge-podge of saved messages to myself, in order to find that reference again. No one challenged me on that -- hey, wake up out there ! Also, the 1860 reference to several single Timothys should have been followed by "and also this one" rather than what I said, which was "including" the married man next listed. I also have no idea why the message bounced whereas two earlier ones this morning did not. I am glad that somehow the posting was made. Thank you, Cara, if your settings somehow saved my postings. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Carberry To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:17 AM Subject: Foley, Clare via Cork to W. NYS This is not my family, but emigration of two whole families was not a common event in the famine or shortly afterward. I made some attempt to locate them, with apparent success for the family listed second on this ship's manifest: Cork, Ireland to New York 14 April 1851 Ship Mississippi 226 Patrick Foley 56 227 Norry Foley 50 228 Mick Foley 22 229 Tade Foley 20 [see below] 230 Mary Foley 18 231 Norry Foley 14 232 Johannah Foley 7 233 Danl Foley 40 [se below] 234 Margaret Foley 35 235 Mary Foley 16 236 Margt Foley 14 237 Patrick Foley 11 238 Timothy Foley 7 http://www.immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/mississippi18510414.html 1860: several single Timothys of the right age, including: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Timothy 30 Ire laborer Julia 40 Ire Daniel 8/12 NY John 14 Ire Margaret 16 " Mary Casey 26 Ire dressmaker The probability is that this is the Daniel Foley family of the 1851 ship manifest: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 50 Ire laborer Margaret 43 Ire Mary 23 " Margaret 20 " Patrick 18 " Timothy 14 " John 10 " Daniel 7 NY Dennis 4 " Ann 1 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 60 Ire laborer Margaret 53 Ire Mary 30 " John 20 " moulder Dennis 15 NY Anna 11 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, Margareth 24 Ire servant [with several similar, in hotel] 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 4th Ward Foley Daniel 71 Ire laborer Margaret 63 Ire Mary 42 Ire single John 28 Ire single moulder Daniel 27 NY single moulder 1900 VT Washington Co, Barre, 6th Ward Foley Daniel 48 NY b. Jan 1852 pars: Ire stone cutter Julia 34 NY pars: Ire mar'd 17 yrs, no children born This is another Foley who may or may not be related to the above Daniel Foley family: 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, John 21 PA pars: Ire RR brakeman, single in household of Maloney Lawrence 35 Ire laborer Norah 40 " wife Mary 70 " mother, widow Daniel 25 " brother, single works for telegraph line This appears to be the biography of the above John Foley; go to indicated webpage for his photo: "JOHN J. FOLEY, Huntington, Indiana. John J. Foley is a native of Pennsylvania, having been born in New Castle County on March 16, 1858. His father, Daniel Foley, was a railroad man, so that it was but natural that the young man, after acquiring a common school education, should turn his attention to the railroad business. When he was 16 years of age he secured employment on the Dunkirk, Allegheny Valley & Pittsburg Railroad and worked as splice boy on a construction crew. After seven months he left to accept a position as driver for the Warren County insane asylum, a place he held for eight months, going from there to work in the planing mill. Shortly after this he accepted a position as brakeman on the D., A. V. & P. Railroad, and for six years ran between Dunkirk and Titusville. In 1882, Mr. Foley resigned and accepted a similar position on the Chicago & Atlantic, and a year later he was advanced to fireman. Three years afterward he was promoted to engineer, since which time he has been engaged in the freight service and has won a high place in the estimation of the officials by his efficient work. He is a highly respected citizen of his community and is well liked by his fellow oemployes, being a prominent member of the B. of L. E., Division 221. In April, 1888, he was married to Miss Ellen Cramer, daughter of Patrick Cramer, a railroad man in the employ of the "Big Four," at Larue. Ohio, for the past forty years. They have a charming family of three children, Evelyn, aged 10, and Eileen, aged 9, are both attending St. Mary's school, while John Louis, the baby is the especial care of Mrs. Foley, who looks after her family with true motherly instinct." from: "American Locomotive Engineers, Erie Railway Edition," H.R. Romans Editor; Crawford-Adsit Company Publishers, Chicago, IL 1899. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sponholz/biojjfoley.html 1900 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 27 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 48 Ire b. Mch 1852 img'd 1864 day laborer Hanorah 56 Ire b. Mch 1844 img'd 1860 bro. Patrick Maloney 60 Ire May 1840 img'd 1864 single day lab'r niece Rosa McMahon 19 NJ Aug 1881 pars: Ire servant, single boarder Harrry King 50 NY Mch 1850 mar'd, for 21 yrs pars: Ire machinist 1910 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 318 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 60 Ire laborer, RR img'd 1870 widower nice Rose McMann 24 NJ single pars: Ire 1920 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward Maloney Lawrence 75 Ire img'd 186_ nat'd 1870 lab'r, track RR wife Margaret 61 NY pars: Ire g'd dau Doloras Watrus 7 NY pars: NY same house, also a head of household: Maloney, Mary 69 Ire img'd 1864, nat'd 1872 Roll of Honor appeared in the June 2, 1899 edition of the Dunkirk Union http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/SOLDBUR.HTM St. Mary's Cemetery Capt. Patrick Barrett Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV C.F. Maloney Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV Philip M. McAvoy Co. E. 72 NYV Daniel F. Foley Jr. Co. E. 72 NYV ... Soldier and Sailors System database, online: Cornelius Maloney 72 NY Infantry, Co. E Francis Foley, 72 NY Infantry, Co. B posted by Sharon Carberry research in Dunkirk NY is for Tynan family of Oatfield, Clare

Hi Diane, do you have a rough age for Bridget? There are several Bridget's that lived in Tasmania. I have a spread sheet online the covers Northern Tasmania, in which you might find several wit the names Bridget, Patrick, Thomas and Michael. All good Catholic names. http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kellsp/Deloriane%20Kellys.htm Cheers PK Paul Kelly www.members.optusnet.com.au/kellsp 7th Generation Aussie Melbourne Aust. (03)97342930 0428380966 -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DLCulhane@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2006 10:11 PM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Kellys in Attyslany North, Kilkeedy, Clare Sarah and Fergus Kerrigan died in Ireland, as did at least two of their children, Patrick and Sarah. I don't know what happened to the oldest, Bridget. John (my grandfather) and Mary ended up in Illinois. An Irish second cousin told me Stephen "went to America and was electrocuted" but I can find no record of that. Of Sarah's Kelly nieces and nephews (children of her brother Thomas), I know only that Christy asked my grandfather to send him money to emigrate to America and I assume he did. Don't know what happened to the other children, Patrick, Thomas, and Catherine. I assume your Kellys were earlier and emigrated to Australia? Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 1.1655 (20060712) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

The cemeterly listing is posted immediately after the heading referring to the Old Calvary Cemetery book. I then left a space and followed the family in the U.S. censuses. I always go forward and backward a page or two when I view an online census page, in order to pick up more Clare-born. In this instance I instead saw the brothel listed, which may well have been in the same building as the family. As to children dying young, some U.S. families were fortunate in having their children survive the many diseases which were prevalent before the advent of penicillin. I have a set of ggrandparents who lived on an upstate farm (Kingston NY), both resident in this country for over 20 years at the time of their early 1880s marriage, were healthy (I visited this ggmother until her death in 1957) and adept in childraising, yet they lost the middle three babies of their 9 children due to various illnesses. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Daniel O'Neil, b.c. 1828 Kilkishen, d. 1886 NYC > Hi Sharon, from you knowledge and experience the second item below list is > very thought provoking - it looks more like an entry from a census return. > The entry about the prostitutes residence is unusual. I can't even speculate > on why it is in the book, and the very young children who died - was there a > cholera outbreak or other epidemic raging in N.Y.C at the time? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 7:33 AM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Daniel O'Neil, b.c. 1828 Kilkishen, d. 1886 NYC > > > > Old Calvary Cemetery, p. 83 [of the book, see below] > > Headstone #1111 > > O'Neil > > [by] Margaret [for] husband Daniel d. 20 Mar 1886 age 58 > > native of Kilkishen, Clare > > his granddaughter Catherine Mullane age 6 mo. > > > > > > 1870 NY New York Co. [Manhattan], 4th Ward > > O'Neil > > Daniel 40 Ire longshoreman > > Margareth 37 Ire > > Mary 18 Ire bookfolder > > Bartholomew 14 NY appr bookbinder > > Paul 11 > > Dennis 8 > > Daniel 5 > > James 2 > > > > 4 housing units away from a "house of ill fame" > > Anna Quirk 28 Ire as head > > 4 prostitutes, ages 19 to 23, three of whom b. Ire > >

This is not my family, but emigration of two whole families was not a common event in the famine or shortly afterward. I made some attempt to locate them, with apparent success for the family listed second on this ship's manifest: Cork, Ireland to New York 14 April 1851 Ship Mississippi 226 Patrick Foley 56 227 Norry Foley 50 228 Mick Foley 22 229 Tade Foley 20 [see below] 230 Mary Foley 18 231 Norry Foley 14 232 Johannah Foley 7 233 Danl Foley 40 [se below] 234 Margaret Foley 35 235 Mary Foley 16 236 Margt Foley 14 237 Patrick Foley 11 238 Timothy Foley 7 http://www.immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/mississippi18510414.html 1860: several single Timothys of the right age, including: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Timothy 30 Ire laborer Julia 40 Ire Daniel 8/12 NY John 14 Ire Margaret 16 " Mary Casey 26 Ire dressmaker The probability is that this is the Daniel Foley family of the 1851 ship manifest: 1860 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 50 Ire laborer Margaret 43 Ire Mary 23 " Margaret 20 " Patrick 18 " Timothy 14 " John 10 " Daniel 7 NY Dennis 4 " Ann 1 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley Daniel 60 Ire laborer Margaret 53 Ire Mary 30 " John 20 " moulder Dennis 15 NY Anna 11 " 1870 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, Margareth 24 Ire servant [with several similar, in hotel] 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 4th Ward Foley Daniel 71 Ire laborer Margaret 63 Ire Mary 42 Ire single John 28 Ire single moulder Daniel 27 NY single moulder 1900 VT Washington Co, Barre, 6th Ward Foley Daniel 48 NY b. Jan 1852 pars: Ire stone cutter Julia 34 NY pars: Ire mar'd 17 yrs, no children born This is another Foley who may or may not be related to the above Daniel Foley family: 1880 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk Foley, John 21 PA pars: Ire RR brakeman, single in household of Maloney Lawrence 35 Ire laborer Norah 40 " wife Mary 70 " mother, widow Daniel 25 " brother, single works for telegraph line This appears to be the biography of the above John Foley; go to indicated webpage for his photo: "JOHN J. FOLEY, Huntington, Indiana. John J. Foley is a native of Pennsylvania, having been born in New Castle County on March 16, 1858. His father, Daniel Foley, was a railroad man, so that it was but natural that the young man, after acquiring a common school education, should turn his attention to the railroad business. When he was 16 years of age he secured employment on the Dunkirk, Allegheny Valley & Pittsburg Railroad and worked as splice boy on a construction crew. After seven months he left to accept a position as driver for the Warren County insane asylum, a place he held for eight months, going from there to work in the planing mill. Shortly after this he accepted a position as brakeman on the D., A. V. & P. Railroad, and for six years ran between Dunkirk and Titusville. In 1882, Mr. Foley resigned and accepted a similar position on the Chicago & Atlantic, and a year later he was advanced to fireman. Three years afterward he was promoted to engineer, since which time he has been engaged in the freight service and has won a high place in the estimation of the officials by his efficient work. He is a highly respected citizen of his community and is well liked by his fellow oemployes, being a prominent member of the B. of L. E., Division 221. In April, 1888, he was married to Miss Ellen Cramer, daughter of Patrick Cramer, a railroad man in the employ of the "Big Four," at Larue. Ohio, for the past forty years. They have a charming family of three children, Evelyn, aged 10, and Eileen, aged 9, are both attending St. Mary's school, while John Louis, the baby is the especial care of Mrs. Foley, who looks after her family with true motherly instinct." from: "American Locomotive Engineers, Erie Railway Edition," H.R. Romans Editor; Crawford-Adsit Company Publishers, Chicago, IL 1899. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sponholz/biojjfoley.html 1900 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 27 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 48 Ire b. Mch 1852 img'd 1864 day laborer Hanorah 56 Ire b. Mch 1844 img'd 1860 bro. Patrick Maloney 60 Ire May 1840 img'd 1864 single day lab'r niece Rosa McMahon 19 NJ Aug 1881 pars: Ire servant, single boarder Harrry King 50 NY Mch 1850 mar'd, for 21 yrs pars: Ire machinist 1910 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward, 318 Deer St. Maloney Lawrence 60 Ire laborer, RR img'd 1870 widower nice Rose McMann 24 NJ single pars: Ire 1920 NY Chautauqua Co., Dunkirk, 3rd Ward Maloney Lawrence 75 Ire img'd 186_ nat'd 1870 lab'r, track RR wife Margaret 61 NY pars: Ire g'd dau Doloras Watrus 7 NY pars: NY same house, also a head of household: Maloney, Mary 69 Ire img'd 1864, nat'd 1872 Roll of Honor appeared in the June 2, 1899 edition of the Dunkirk Union http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/SOLDBUR.HTM St. Mary's Cemetery Capt. Patrick Barrett Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV C.F. Maloney Co. E. Regt. 72 NYV Philip M. McAvoy Co. E. 72 NYV Daniel F. Foley Jr. Co. E. 72 NYV ... Soldier and Sailors System database, online: Cornelius Maloney 72 NY Infantry, Co. E Francis Foley, 72 NY Infantry, Co. B posted by Sharon Carberry research in Dunkirk NY is for Tynan family of Oatfield, Clare