Is there any more information about the proposed Clare Genealogy Conference in 2007? I am very interested and would appreciate hearing about it. Patricia Concannon USA

Michael. In the parish records for Diacose of Killaloe, Parish Newmarket-on-Fergus, there is a Baptism for Michael On March 12th, 1833. Parents Michael Liddy and Anne Gleeson Sponsor is P.Carmody (unfortunately, there is only an initial) Ernene -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of daniel grady Sent: Saturday, 23 September 2006 3:30 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com; Michael Carmody Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] l866 Index re CARMODY Michael I found this on Family Search .org: Peter Carmody born 28 Oct 1813 married Bridget Flanegin July 27, 1836 Died on 16 Sept. 1878 There is no note on where this all hapened but, I have searched for Carmondy's in County Clare -- and in the course of searching I have seen Peter Carmody occassionally. My searching has always been around the town of Ennis and Kilidysart in county Clare. There are many Carmody's in and around that area. Dan Macsdad13@san.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Carmody" <mcarmody@osage.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] l866 Index re CARMODY > Mary, > I am also researching the CARMODY name. Oral history says they were > from Ennis, but have no proof. Ours is a Peter CARMODY who married > Bridget > FLANAGAN in Ireland and came to the USA circa 1850 with 6 children. No > Rosemary though. > mcarmody@osage.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I can assure you from my experience that it was illiteracy, compare marriage certs and entries.....the old x. was very prevalent...> Yes, for sure there are nearly all signed by the mark 'X', but I can not believe that such a mark meant it was always a result of illiteracy on the part of the informants. Consider this probable scenario of a time before the invention of photo-copiers and computer digitisation as to how the process of registrations might have been accomplished: The informants of a birth or death, or marriage (in which case the required form was completed by the officiating priest or minister) reported the event in person at the local registration office where they made their statements which was duly recorded by the local registrar or one of his staff, and then signed by the informants - if they could write their name. These individual declarations made at local registration offices were then sent to the town wherein the area Superintendent's registration office was located. There they were transcribed onto a large folio, and , at the end of that quarter year, were sent as a batch to the General Registry Office (GRO) Dublin, where they were again transcribed alphabetically in a large folio when all the original individual quarterly returns from the many Superintendents' registration districts were received. In consequence, when one obtains a copy from the GRO, or a local Superintendents' district office, it is understandable that the original signature of informants who could write, could not possibly appear on such a copy. So, that office at the time of issuing a certificate, the clerk had to write the name of the informing party and place an 'x' on the signature line over the original informants names. (I had occasion a few years ago to visit the Superintendents office in Limerick city and witnessed the clerk transcribe the information I had requested from a large folio onto a blank form of certificate). If the above scenario is what happened then one will understand the missing signature and its substitution by an 'x' at a time when no one even dreamt about a device that would make 'de facto' copies. I have copied this to other lists in the hope that someone more informed might add or detract from my supposition on the matter. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin " <kevinmcc59@eircom.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Irish Birthdates > Hello Dolores, Sorry about the slip up of course it's 1864. You may very > well find yours inconsistent but that hardly means you can include all of > Ireland. I have encountered the same problem with Eng. and Wales as I > said. > I can assure you from my experience that it was illiteracy > compare marriage certs and entries.....the old x. was very prevalent.As > for rounding up and down that was only used in the UK census 1841 as for > the US i do not know, Regards,Kevin. > >> >> Sorry I offended , but after 25 years of research every document and >> census I have on my lines their ages never agree. Civil Registration >> started in 1864 not 1868. I was merely speaking from my experience even >> up to 1940's. Dolores

Hi, Marie, You have been given clues as to where to look for more information on your family lines. Clare's county library website is THE BEST on the whole island, unmatched as to its free and vast numbers of databases. There is no need to be in Ireland in person to find a lot of information. In fact, although I have visited "home" on fived different occasions, the great majority of information I have about my Foleys hasn't come from those visits, but from researching from the comfort of my own home in Indiana, USA. I suggest you try out www.clarelibrary.ie, using the information already given to you in regard to your place names (Moyarta and Carrigaholt, rather than the spellings you've found), and see what shakes out of the bag. Once you've done all you can from home, which you haven't yet, then post again with what you've found and what you need. Good luck! Jeanne M & M Thomas <m.mthomas@bigpond.com> wrote: I am doing as much research as I can on the family from a long way over the seas :-)) Just needed a few clues where to do my background work before I can make a dream holiday come true - just not sure of which year :-))))) Thank you for your help Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" To: Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Ah, sorry, Marie, I was assuming that you were intending to do the research yourself. If you are lucky there may be someone on this list who has a readymade family tree for you. Otherwise there are genealogists in Clare, some of them on this list, who will find your family for a fee. They might be your best bet. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 11:57 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Many thanks Padraig - only wish I could take one day off. But I will definitely browse the website when I can snatch a few minutes. Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Maria, Just some quick pointers (others on this list can give you a much better in-depth briefing): Take a few weeks off work, cancel all other commitments, go to www.clarelibrary.ie and fire up "Search this website" and type in your names and take it from there. You'll have a ball. Masses of stuff. Your Carrigohall is probably Carrigaholt, Myart is probably Moyarta. Jeanne Foley Dwyer, who is a very experienced member of this list and has at least one of your names and originates from that part of Clare, may want to jump in with more precise information. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 10:24 To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Hi everyone Total newbie to this list and would love some advice of tracing my family from County Clare. The details I have are - Mary Ann Nora FOLEY b. abt 1826 Myart, Co Clare married Michael Martin COLLINS in Aug 1845 in Carrigohall, Co Clare. Michael was born abt 1825 in Myart, Co Clare. Mary Ann's parents were Michael & Honor FOLEY nee KANE. Michael's parents were Martin & Margaret COLLINS nee McGRATH. Mary Ann & Michael arrived in Australia in 1855, along with various members of both families. There is a story in the family which I have decided to research a bit further - and that is the family is from a Spanish background. I do know that Mary Ann was reputedly found frequently on the verandah in the rocking chair singing Spanish songs/song. Any advice or help on where to follow this family further would be greatly appreciated. This is my first foray onto Irish soil :-) Many thanks in advance Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Hey, Denyse! I see you have a Foley in Inagh. Is this a Timothy Foley, by any chance? What else do you have on that line of Foleys? You may email me offlist if you prefer: socrates_399@yahoo.com Regards, Jeanne Denyse Bonnney <denysebon@austarnet.com.au> wrote: ARKINS/HARKINS married in 1855 in Inagh BROGAN in Ennis 1800s CREEDY/CREADY/CURREEDY in Inagh 1800 - 1900s CRONIN in Inagh mid-1800s DOOHAN in Inagh 1800 FOLEY in Inagh mid-1800s MARRINAN in Curragh O Dea, Inagh 1800s McGRATH in Inagh 1800 + MOLLOY in Inagh 1800s PENDER in Darragh townland, parish of Killone (Ballyea) QUINN in Gortalougha townland, Knockatour, Inagh parish 1820 - 1862 QUINN in Kilfenora 1838 - 1862 QUINN in Miltown Malbay 1840s TALTY in Inagh & Killaloe, Kilfarboy 1800s Denyse Bonney in Queensland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Thank you for this BRAZZIL information, Sharon. Judie Mason Chicago Sharon Carberry <sm8carberry@comcast.net> wrote: I have "inside info" on these people, passed to me by a Boston descendant of the involved Donnellan family. I can locate more exact info on them, but my memory is that this is the family of politically-connected Rossroe farmer shown in the 1901census. It is my understanding that Mark Donnellan, son of the great, late Francie (musician extraordinaire) is farming in Rossroe now, although Francie was born in Clashduff, civil parish of Clonlea. The Donnellans of East Clare are all connected - I suppose it is incumbent on me to do the chart, someday. In the meantime, below is what I have, which comes from the parish records for St. Mary's in Kilmurray, Sixmilebridge, courtesy of Fr. Willim McCormick in 1995. I keep this on top of my notes since I am interested in the 12 Jun 1847 marriage of Michael Connell of Clonlea and Catherine Liddy, which took place in the next parish north of Kilmurray (O'Callaghan Mills, with Clonlea equating to Kilkishen, which adjoins Kilmurray). My Micheal Donnellan was married to Ann Connell, likely in the 1820s since the birth of my gggmother Catherine occurred in 1826 (according to her old-age home record). Sharon Carberry 7 Feb 1859 Marriage James Donnellan and Mary Butler witnesses: James Brazzil, Eliza Liddy baptisms of children: 1 Jan 1860 Sarah (married William Kerrigan, emigrated to Boston MA) 29 Jun 1861 Thomas (to Boston) 5 Jan 1863 Catherine (to Boston) 11 Jun 1865 Bridget (to Boston) 3 Aug 1866 William 8 Aug 1869 Margaret (to Boston) 30 Jan 1871 Daniel (to Boston) 29 Oct 1872 James (to Boston) 17 Feb 1874 Eliza (to Boston) 11 Mar 1876 Pat 15 Aug 1877 Cicilia 31 Aug 1879 Stephen 15 Oct 1881 Jacobus 15 Jun 1885 Cecilia (d. 1885) 7 Apr 1887 Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandpa always referred to his sister as "sister Mary Gappa" I thought she was a nun all these years. Here, she never was. She was married and had children. I assume now that there were too many Marys in his life and it was a way to differentiate between the Marys.. So you never know!!! On 9/22/06, Alanna Scanlon <alannal@prodigy.net> wrote: > > Dear List, > > To add more to the pot to stir: the lady members of the LDS call each > other sister! > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am doing as much research as I can on the family from a long way over the seas :-)) Just needed a few clues where to do my background work before I can make a dream holiday come true - just not sure of which year :-))))) Thank you for your help Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Ah, sorry, Marie, I was assuming that you were intending to do the research yourself. If you are lucky there may be someone on this list who has a readymade family tree for you. Otherwise there are genealogists in Clare, some of them on this list, who will find your family for a fee. They might be your best bet. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 11:57 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Many thanks Padraig - only wish I could take one day off. But I will definitely browse the website when I can snatch a few minutes. Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Maria, Just some quick pointers (others on this list can give you a much better in-depth briefing): Take a few weeks off work, cancel all other commitments, go to www.clarelibrary.ie and fire up "Search this website" and type in your names and take it from there. You'll have a ball. Masses of stuff. Your Carrigohall is probably Carrigaholt, Myart is probably Moyarta. Jeanne Foley Dwyer, who is a very experienced member of this list and has at least one of your names and originates from that part of Clare, may want to jump in with more precise information. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 10:24 To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Hi everyone Total newbie to this list and would love some advice of tracing my family from County Clare. The details I have are - Mary Ann Nora FOLEY b. abt 1826 Myart, Co Clare married Michael Martin COLLINS in Aug 1845 in Carrigohall, Co Clare. Michael was born abt 1825 in Myart, Co Clare. Mary Ann's parents were Michael & Honor FOLEY nee KANE. Michael's parents were Martin & Margaret COLLINS nee McGRATH. Mary Ann & Michael arrived in Australia in 1855, along with various members of both families. There is a story in the family which I have decided to research a bit further - and that is the family is from a Spanish background. I do know that Mary Ann was reputedly found frequently on the verandah in the rocking chair singing Spanish songs/song. Any advice or help on where to follow this family further would be greatly appreciated. This is my first foray onto Irish soil :-) Many thanks in advance Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Co. Mayo Wednesday, July 17, 1850 FRACAS IN THE GRAND JURY ROOM - A serious altercation took place on Friday last in the grand jury room of the new court-house, between Captain Macnamara, foreman, and Mr. O'Brien, of Birchfield, another member of the grand jury, which might have been attended with evil consequences were it not for the interference of Mr. Augustine Butler, of Ballyline, in his magisterial capacity. It is not for us to express any opinion on the conduct of the parties; but we regret that any such occurrence should have taken place. We are happy to state, however, that the affair has since been satisfactorily arranged.-- Clare Journal. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Did Irish immigrants define "sister" differently than we would today? I'm asking because I found one case where an ancestor referred to a person as a sister, whereas she was actually a sister-in-law and another where an ancestor called a person a sister but it appears she was a cousin. In the first case the person who said "my sister" could not read or write, and put her X on an affidavit, so it's possible the person who prepared the affidavit misunderstood what was said. In the second case, however, the person could read and write, and said he visited "my sister Hannah Glynn," but she appears to be a cousin. Any ideas? Robin in Maryland

Dear List, To add more to the pot to stir: the lady members of the LDS call each other sister! Alanna

Michael I found this on Family Search .org: Peter Carmody born 28 Oct 1813 married Bridget Flanegin July 27, 1836 Died on 16 Sept. 1878 There is no note on where this all hapened but, I have searched for Carmondy's in County Clare -- and in the course of searching I have seen Peter Carmody occassionally. My searching has always been around the town of Ennis and Kilidysart in county Clare. There are many Carmody's in and around that area. Dan Macsdad13@san.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Carmody" <mcarmody@osage.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] l866 Index re CARMODY > Mary, > I am also researching the CARMODY name. Oral history says they were > from Ennis, but have no proof. Ours is a Peter CARMODY who married > Bridget > FLANAGAN in Ireland and came to the USA circa 1850 with 6 children. No > Rosemary though. > mcarmody@osage.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Thank you to those who have contacted me, I appreciate your comments. It looks like everything is okay and I am back on-line. Best Wishes Ernene -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine Pratt Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:49 PM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] confused re posts Hi Ernene, Message received. Happy researching. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] confused re posts > I am sending this as a test to see if I am able to post to the list after > having my emails bounce. > > > > Thanks to Chris Goopy for contacting the list on my behalf and to Ellen > Crehan for your reply. > > > > Thanks also to Bob Brooks for your reply to Chris. However, I only have one > email address which I have had for 2 years. Bob, I did not send any blind > copy to my knowledge. I only received that message once, all other postings > just bounced. > > > > All I can do is see if this one goes through and if not, I will contact > Cara. > > > > Regards > > > > Ernene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I did some quires in the Social Security Administration when they did not cost as much. The ones below do not belong to me, but I can give the rest of the information on the person if anyone is interested. I am giving only the most basic information here. Mary Veronica Sheedy of PA born NJ [?] Charles Sheedy of PA born Ireland Helen Thomasina Scanlon of RI born RI Marguerite Mary Sheedy of PA born PA Mary Reidy Sheedy of PA born Ireland, Co Clare Michael J Sheedy of PA born PA Kathryn Dielmo Sheedy of PA born PA (Mrs) Mary Cray Sheedy of PA born PA Joseph [?] Dennis Sheedy of PA born PA Have names of some Scanlan's, Scanlin's, Scanlon's, Sheedy's in Philadelphia in 1936. Alanna

Many thanks Padraig - only wish I could take one day off. But I will definitely browse the website when I can snatch a few minutes. Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Maria, Just some quick pointers (others on this list can give you a much better in-depth briefing): Take a few weeks off work, cancel all other commitments, go to www.clarelibrary.ie and fire up "Search this website" and type in your names and take it from there. You'll have a ball. Masses of stuff. Your Carrigohall is probably Carrigaholt, Myart is probably Moyarta. Jeanne Foley Dwyer, who is a very experienced member of this list and has at least one of your names and originates from that part of Clare, may want to jump in with more precise information. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 10:24 To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Hi everyone Total newbie to this list and would love some advice of tracing my family from County Clare. The details I have are - Mary Ann Nora FOLEY b. abt 1826 Myart, Co Clare married Michael Martin COLLINS in Aug 1845 in Carrigohall, Co Clare. Michael was born abt 1825 in Myart, Co Clare. Mary Ann's parents were Michael & Honor FOLEY nee KANE. Michael's parents were Martin & Margaret COLLINS nee McGRATH. Mary Ann & Michael arrived in Australia in 1855, along with various members of both families. There is a story in the family which I have decided to research a bit further - and that is the family is from a Spanish background. I do know that Mary Ann was reputedly found frequently on the verandah in the rocking chair singing Spanish songs/song. Any advice or help on where to follow this family further would be greatly appreciated. This is my first foray onto Irish soil :-) Many thanks in advance Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Declan, Well, I don't know. I've only seen the name shown as ALLOWAY, and thatt's been in USA records. Elizabeth Ann's father, Thomas, had "North Ireland" listed as his birthplace. His death record is in Port Huron, Michigan, where his children (Elizabeth, married to CARMODY, and her brothers, James H., John M., Thomas, Joseph, and Francis) settled. The children and Thomas' (the father's) wife, Mary McDonald (b. in Scotland), all died there, too. Only the one son, Joseph, also has his birthplace listed as "North Ireland"--the rest are just "Ireland." But, the mother was Scottish, so it's possible she and Thomas met in North Ireland, migrated south, picked up some spouses in County Clare for their kids before emigrating to Canada, and then to the USA. One of John Joseph CARMODY's nieces, Margaret, married a James H. ALLOWAY. My file shows him as Elizabeth's brother, but I probably need to check that, as there's a 15 year age difference between James & Margaret. Not anything impossible, but I probably need to double-check that he's really one of Thomas' kids. I know Margaret is one of Michael CARMODY's kids. While I haven't seen a HALLOWAY spelling with this family, I guess that could be possible. A different family line (from County Wexford) shows up in the USA as ALPIN or ALPINE, but I've found Irish references for them showing HALPIN as well as ALPIN. Since the parents and apparently all the kids show up us transplants to the USA, maybe they just used County Clare as a resting point? I don't see any listed on the 1901 census, or the Griffith's valuations. I do believe John & Elizabeth met and married in Ireland, though, because the marriage date given in his obituary was 18 November 1882, just over 9 months from the birthdate of their oldest child, Mary Ellen, born 26 August 1883 in Ontario. That also correlates with his 1910 Michigan census record, where he's shown as being married either 27 or 28 years, and 18 years in the 1900 census. The census records for the children also substantiate that scenario. I've not found a marriage record for them in Ireland, however, so it's possible they emigrated separately to Canada, then married there. James & Margaret, however, did get married over here, because they emigrated to the USA in different years. I appreciate the input, though, and anything anyone else might be able to add. Adding an 'h' to the beginning of "Alloway" never even crossed my mind, so I'll be sure to consider that when looking for them. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Declan Barron" <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> To: <chris.bauman@insightbb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] CARMODY--John Joseph b. 1863 > Hi, > There were Holloway/Holways in Clare ? > Declan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Bauman" <chris.bauman@insightbb.com> > To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] CARMODY--John Joseph b. 1863 > > >> Mary & Michael, >> >> My husband's grandfather was John Joseph CARMODY, b. 15/16 August 1863 in >> Ennis. He married Elizabeth Ann ALLOWAY on 18 Nov 1882. They apparently >> emigrated to Canada (near Sarnia, Ontario, across the river from Port > Huron, >> Michigan) shortly after, because their 2 oldest daughters Mary Ellen (b. 26 >> Aug 1883) and Elizabeth Ann (b. 27 May 1885) were supposedly born in >> Ontario.

Dear Ernene. I have received your test posting. Lets hope that whatever gremlins or glitches were around they have now disappeared. Cheers, Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> To: <IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] confused re posts > I am sending this as a test to see if I am able to post to the list after > having my emails bounce. > > > > Thanks to Chris Goopy for contacting the list on my behalf and to Ellen > Crehan for your reply. > > > > Thanks also to Bob Brooks for your reply to Chris. However, I only have one > email address which I have had for 2 years. Bob, I did not send any blind > copy to my knowledge. I only received that message once, all other postings > just bounced. > > > > All I can do is see if this one goes through and if not, I will contact > Cara. > > > > Regards > > > > Ernene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, sorry, Marie, I was assuming that you were intending to do the research yourself. If you are lucky there may be someone on this list who has a readymade family tree for you. Otherwise there are genealogists in Clare, some of them on this list, who will find your family for a fee. They might be your best bet. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 11:57 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Many thanks Padraig - only wish I could take one day off. But I will definitely browse the website when I can snatch a few minutes. Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Maria, Just some quick pointers (others on this list can give you a much better in-depth briefing): Take a few weeks off work, cancel all other commitments, go to www.clarelibrary.ie and fire up "Search this website" and type in your names and take it from there. You'll have a ball. Masses of stuff. Your Carrigohall is probably Carrigaholt, Myart is probably Moyarta. Jeanne Foley Dwyer, who is a very experienced member of this list and has at least one of your names and originates from that part of Clare, may want to jump in with more precise information. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M & M Thomas Sent: 21 September 2006 10:24 To: IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] FOLEY & COLLINS FAMILY Hi everyone Total newbie to this list and would love some advice of tracing my family from County Clare. The details I have are - Mary Ann Nora FOLEY b. abt 1826 Myart, Co Clare married Michael Martin COLLINS in Aug 1845 in Carrigohall, Co Clare. Michael was born abt 1825 in Myart, Co Clare. Mary Ann's parents were Michael & Honor FOLEY nee KANE. Michael's parents were Martin & Margaret COLLINS nee McGRATH. Mary Ann & Michael arrived in Australia in 1855, along with various members of both families. There is a story in the family which I have decided to research a bit further - and that is the family is from a Spanish background. I do know that Mary Ann was reputedly found frequently on the verandah in the rocking chair singing Spanish songs/song. Any advice or help on where to follow this family further would be greatly appreciated. This is my first foray onto Irish soil :-) Many thanks in advance Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone Total newbie to this list and would love some advice of tracing my family from County Clare. The details I have are - Mary Ann Nora FOLEY b. abt 1826 Myart, Co Clare married Michael Martin COLLINS in Aug 1845 in Carrigohall, Co Clare. Michael was born abt 1825 in Myart, Co Clare. Mary Ann's parents were Michael & Honor FOLEY nee KANE. Michael's parents were Martin & Margaret COLLINS nee McGRATH. Mary Ann & Michael arrived in Australia in 1855, along with various members of both families. There is a story in the family which I have decided to research a bit further - and that is the family is from a Spanish background. I do know that Mary Ann was reputedly found frequently on the verandah in the rocking chair singing Spanish songs/song. Any advice or help on where to follow this family further would be greatly appreciated. This is my first foray onto Irish soil :-) Many thanks in advance Maria Thomas LAKE MUNMORAH, NSW

I am sending this as a test to see if I am able to post to the list after having my emails bounce. Thanks to Chris Goopy for contacting the list on my behalf and to Ellen Crehan for your reply. Thanks also to Bob Brooks for your reply to Chris. However, I only have one email address which I have had for 2 years. Bob, I did not send any blind copy to my knowledge. I only received that message once, all other postings just bounced. All I can do is see if this one goes through and if not, I will contact Cara. Regards Ernene