Hi Dianne, and all I am trying to trace my husbands grandmothers family and their descendants in Ireland. The info I have is as fo;;ows. His grandmother never spoke of her life and family in Ireland to her only child, my late mother in law, Veronica May Hhart b. 14-01-1915 in Sydney Australia. She knew nothing of her mother’s life back in Ireland. I started with her birth certificate and have now her parents marriage certificate, her father’s death certificate, a list of all their children and their dates of birth (or christening), from the Kilkee Catholic Church. My husband’s g grandmother was Bridget Burke and she married Thomas O'Dea on 7th February 1871, Baunmore. She was 23 years old and Thomas was 26. (I have their marriage certificate). Thomas’ father, Patrick was a farmer and Bridget’s father Christopher was also a farmer. They had 8 children. Patrick b. 1871, Mary b.1874, Eileen b. 1876, Thomas b. 1878, Jane b. 1881(my husbands grandmother), Anne b. 1884, Michael b. 1886 and Sarah b. 1890. I have all full ates if you need them. As far as we know, Jane was the only one to come to Australia (after the 1901 census and before January 1915 when her daughter was born in Sydney Australia). There is a query if Jane came to Australia with a younger sister. The only younger sister not in the 1911 census with their mother (Thomas their father died in 1897 with Jane as witness) was Sarah. Is there anyone who has information on Jane and maybe Sarah travelling to Australia? There was a Michael O'Dea who went to America via Ellis Island and he listed his next of kin as Bridget O'Dea from Kilkee, County Clare. Has anyone any clues as to this Michael and if it the Michael listed above? They lived in Baunmore County Clare and I have had no luck in tracing any O'Dea's at all. Surely there are descendants around, even under other names from when the girl’s married. Over 25 years ago my mother in law went Ireland and went to New Quay. There she took a photo of a large memorial in memory of nine children who died in a boating accident. This was at New Quay church North Clare. Two of the nine were, Mary (18) and Anne (16) O'Dea. She was told these girls may be related. There was a Paddy O'Dea who helped in rescuing many others. Is he or any of his children around for me to contact? We would love to have contact with them and follow up on tracing our line of O'Dea's. Is there any way this can be checked to get the names of their parents and grandparents and (oh to be so lucky) their g g grandparents? We are planning to come to Ireland mid 2007 and we would love to meet them. We are in Australia and I am finding it quite difficult to get information from here. I am trying to trace any descendants at all of the above named children of Bridget and Thomas O'Dea. Many may not know anything about Jane, as she appears to have had no contact with anyone in Ireland after leaving there. If Sarah came here with Jane, she may have died on the ship on the way. We are not sure but my brother in law remembers their grandmother making this comment. If this can be refuted, we are happy to know what became of Jane’s family. Any information will be more than what we have at this stage.. Also, can anyone copy a death notice from the Clare Champion? The information is, O’Dea Thomas Baunmore, Lisdeen Kilkee 07 Feb. 1948 Obit. I am hoping that this Obit has information on his relatives. Thanks so much, in advance, for your time and help. Kindest regards Faye and Paul Chapman. -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of DLCulhane@cs.com Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2006 7:26 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request I'm happy to do it myself, and also happy to help others when I can. This summer on vacation in Ireland, I did lookups for four people on other mailing lists. Finding their relatives was almost as exciting as finding my own. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 12/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006

Hi I'm in Australia and I have to travel over an hour to my nearest LDS (my regional library or local family history society are further). It costs $6.00A for each film and we have 6 weeks to read same. The LDS Library is only open 2 days a week for a couple of hours, so you really have to put yourself out and make the effort to get there during those 6 weeks. I wouldn't ask anyone else to read the films for me as I have found so many other relations whilst doing the reading. Had one film which as due back that day and I just wanted to finish it (had about 10 frames) which, fortunately, I was able to do, as I found my grandmother's baptism, something I never thought I'd ever find - and this was on the third last frame. Thank goodness by this stage there was only the LDS librarian and myself in the rooms - as I'm sure the shout for joy could have been heard all over town. The librarian was delighted as she had seen me order in and read so many films without success. These are the benefits of doing the research yourself - you get added bonuses. Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request > I'm hoping to avoid an hour's drive to order the films and then more drives > to go look at them as they come in (they rarely come in in one batch). If I do > go, I'm happy to do lookups for others so as not to waste the gas on a quick > look at 2 or 3 films. Someday, with luck, they'll be on line! > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I'm happy to do it myself, and also happy to help others when I can. This summer on vacation in Ireland, I did lookups for four people on other mailing lists. Finding their relatives was almost as exciting as finding my own. Diane

I'm hoping to avoid an hour's drive to order the films and then more drives to go look at them as they come in (they rarely come in in one batch). If I do go, I'm happy to do lookups for others so as not to waste the gas on a quick look at 2 or 3 films. Someday, with luck, they'll be on line! Diane

What you are asking for here is a seven year search of the civil indexes of marriage in Co.Clare. I doubt very much if anyone on the List has the tome or access to such films. If a local LDS Family History Centre doesn't have the Clare films in their office inventory, it costs, I think, about $5/6 per film to bring in a film from Salt Lake H.Q. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:26 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request > Could someone on the list who has access to the civil marriage index tell > me > if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Kelly and Sarah (unknown > last name) in the Corofin district between 1864 and 1871? (Thomas was my > greatgrandmother's brother. I'm hoping the civil registration will lead me > to the > church, and thus to my greatgreatgrandmother's name, currently a brick > wall.) > Thanks very much! > > Diane Culhane >

Could someone on the list who has access to the civil marriage index tell me if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Kelly and Sarah (unknown last name) in the Corofin district between 1864 and 1871? (Thomas was my greatgrandmother's brother. I'm hoping the civil registration will lead me to the church, and thus to my greatgreatgrandmother's name, currently a brick wall.) Thanks very much! Diane Culhane

I just ordered a film at my local LDS FHC here in Calif and the cost is $5.50 as of Jan 2006. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request > What you are asking for here is a seven year search of the civil indexes > of > marriage in Co.Clare. I doubt very much if anyone on the List has the tome > or access to such films. If a local LDS Family History Centre doesn't > have > the Clare films in their office inventory, it costs, I think, about $5/6 > per > film to bring in a film from Salt Lake H.Q. > > ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** > ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** > > Pádraig Mór, > An Sean Gabhar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> > To: <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:26 PM > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request > > >> Could someone on the list who has access to the civil marriage index tell >> me >> if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Kelly and Sarah >> (unknown >> last name) in the Corofin district between 1864 and 1871? (Thomas was my >> greatgrandmother's brother. I'm hoping the civil registration will lead >> me >> to the >> church, and thus to my greatgreatgrandmother's name, currently a brick >> wall.) >> Thanks very much! >> >> Diane Culhane >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>-- Original Message -- >From: Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain > <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> >To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:03:44 -0400 >Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls >Reply-To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com > > >Ennis, except for the river Fergus, is landlocked. Oh, so no ships leaving from there? > >I checked the NSW Archives site - they have a peculiar way of indexing >names. I know, I had to spend ages picking at them all different ways, luckily I have a knack for it. But they are full of juicy stuff when you find it, war records and all sorts. >I assume, therefor, that the >information about place of origin, Ennis, came from the NSW shipping >records. Yes, and of course it backed up what the seniors said. >Yes, it is always prudent to re-check the evidence, one never knows what >might additionally come up. > >Well, Margaret, there is no more that I can think of in the way of help . Thank you so much Padraig for the help and support and advice you have given me. I really appreciate it. >only a Mary was baptised to parents with the right names >in Askeaton, Perhaps Bridget was visiting someone there and got caught short? >Ennis confuses me, too. All of it confuses me! Best wishes Margaret ___________________________________________________________ Don't miss the Autumn Ideal Home Show at Earls Court, London, from the 6th-15th October. Book online now at http://www.autumnidealhomeshow.co.uk and get two tickets for just £15.00! Plus get great home and garden tips at http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/homesgardens/

G'day Noticed the references to shipping related websites in Padraig's informative response. I am interested because I am trying to chase down information on the Grand Trianon which, I believe, carried my gr gr grandfather Patrick Sheahan to Melbourne in 1857. A terrific site with lots of online information on shipping arrivals, assisted and unassisted passengers etc. is the Victorian Public Records Office www.prov.vic.gov.au The passenger list has him as Patrick Sheehan and Pat Shehan in different journal entries. I believe that other Australian states also have similar comprehensive web sites. Well worth a look if you are hunting down ancestors who may have headed "down under" Regards Kevin Sheahan -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 9:18 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls From: "Margaret Garthwaite" < megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:32 +0100 > Thank you Padraig for your very full and generous response to my query. "> The research was done in Clare and I had very little to give the researcher, only the names of John and the three children, not even Bridget. I got that from the Australian shipping lists.>" "> Info on the girls came from Australian records, both assisted, don't know if they went to anyone. Catherine arrived in Sydney on Sept 6 1853, on the "Talavera" from Ennis, Co Clare. Mary Ann arrived in Sydney on April 30 1864, aged 15, on the "Queen of the East" from Ennis, Co Clare.>" Well, of course, we know they had to get to England to board those ships - But I have a couple of concerns here: "The ship 'Talavera' 1882 June 16 (www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Fourmast_Ships/Talavera(1882).html) According to an engine search, this ship was launched on June 16, 1882 "{at} the shipyard of Birrell, Stenhouse & Co., Dunbarton, as Yard No. 35 for John Hardie, Glasgow. Assigned the official British Reg. No. 86668. " The Barque did service from Glasgow and London to Melbourne and Sydney, as well as other eastern ports until 1896 May 1, when it was stranded on Santa Maria Island on a voyage from Valparaiso to Conception Bay in ballast. A search for the "Queen of the East" showed an arrival in Australia in March 1864. (http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/) There is nothing in that Website on the Talavera. If you have actual transcriptions from the ships lists passengers on those two ships, I would not object to getting them from you directly to my mailbox as an attachment. I would like to see them, with the appropriate record documentation. "> Thomas went to England and the two unknown girls went to America and were never heard of again after the San Francisco earthquake (Oral history)>" About these two unknowns - where did you get that info. from? ">No clues to births except for Mary Ann, baptised at Askeaton in 1848, and that came from the IGI. >" "> ... Only reckoned from other records, but probably fairly close for the others.>" What do you mean by 'other' records? " >... I know what you mean about the spread of ages, > but what were the likely survival rates for babies from poor families? Of > Thomas's thirteen, only six survived infancy, and of those, only five made > adulthood.>" My problem with the IGI record of Mary - and I agree that it seems to be a transcript from an R. C. parish record; the LDS reference indicates that - But it is unusual for a transcriber to anglicise the name from its Latinised original, and that also applies to the first names of the parents. Besides that, she is not transcribed as Mary Ann(e). Well, I can't elaborate in any way about infant mortality during that time, but if there were other children who survived birth, but died shortly afterwards, then there would be a record, provided they were baptised in the accepted manner at a church within a few days of birth, as was the custom. " >Mary Ann died in 1919 and Catherine in 1918. The death records for Mary Ann and Catherine come from the NSW BDM s. I have a lot of documentation for their descendants.>" " > I have all of Thomas's stuff, marriage, censuses, children's births, his death, but there is no extra info there. Except that in Jan 1664 when Thomas married, his father John, a labourer, is dead.?" O.K., where did he get married? " > I tend to interchange the terms christened and baptised very loosely - got told off by the priest for that very thing at the last family baptism. They were a RC family, still are; well, some of us! Not sure where my cousin got the godmother info from, I must check with her. >" That's O.K., so does the LDS, but they cover both bases. Bridget NESTOR must have died in Ireland, so it is worth looking for her death, that's something I hadn't thought of. Yes, we are searching for a place name. Thank you again. Regards Margaret ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ennis, except for the river Fergus, is landlocked. I checked the NSW Archives site - they have a peculiar way of indexing names. A search for a Mary Ann revealed zilch. A further search for Mary brought up Mary Ann - go figure! and I found Catherine's record, too. I assume, therefor, that the information about place of origin, Ennis, came from the NSW shipping records. Well, whoever owns the website wherein I got the info., for the 'Talavera' didn't mention at all, that the ship in built in Scotland later in the century, was to replace an original vessel. Yes, it is always prudent to re-check the evidence, one never knows what might additionally come up. Well, Margaret, there is no more that I can think of in the way of help . In summary, Askeaton certainly looks good, although I can't explain a birth transcription from an R.C. baptismal record of first names being in English., and that only a Mary was baptised to parents with the right names in Askeaton, no record of Catherine or Thomas, nor the two females who went to San Francisco. Ennis confuses me, too. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar From: "Margaret Garthwaite" < megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:32 +0100 > I repeat, thank you Padraig for your very full and generous response. "Well, of course, we know they had to get to England to board those ships" Does that mean that the ships didn't sail directly from Ennis? I got this from a web-site, but I didn't note the address. Talavera built 1853. Barque. 1882 purchased from J. F. Gibb, London, 1890 scrapped. 384 tons "If you have actual transcriptions from the ships lists passengers on those two ships" NSW Archives for assisted passengers NESTOR Mary Ann 15 Queen of the East 1864 (reel numbers 2139, 2482) NESTOR Catherine 21 Talavera 1853 (reel numbers 2137, 2465) My cousin in Australia checked the reels, which is where the actual dates came from, but I don't have transcripts. "> Thomas went to England and the two unknown girls went to America and were never heard of again after the San Francisco earthquake (Oral history)>" My father told me, and my eldest surviving relative agrees with him. Apparently they used to correspond, then letters stopped after the earthquake. It is my ultimate fantasy to track them, but without names or dates, the chances are a bit remote! "What do you mean by 'other' records?" For Thomas, I have his marriage and death certificates, plus census entries. For Catherine and Mary Ann, I have oral evidence, as above, that letters stopped after WW1, also information from on-line records, and checks carried out by the Australian branch. "My problem with the IGI record of Mary ... it is unusual for a transcriber to anglicise the name from its Latinised original, and that also applies to the first names of the parents." Being a newbie, I hadn't registered that, but of course that's how they are shown in other baptismal records I have. "Besides that, she is not transcribed as Mary Ann(e)." I was convinced that she was, I don't know why. She is shown as Mary Ann on her marriage registration - NSW archives again. Also on most of the birth registration of her numerous children. And on her death, with parents John and Bridget, matching the name and address my senior relative had for her. I suppose we just assumed that the IGI represented "our" Mary Ann, becuse of the matching age and parents. I will get that re-checked. "O.K., where did he get married?" St Bede's Chapel, (now St Bede's Church) Appleton, Widnes Lancashire. Know it well, went to Mass there for years, parents married there, self baptised there. Not christened!. "Yes, we are searching for a place name." Padraig, you have obliged me to re-check all my data, and that can only be a good thing. I am so grateful for your help and advice. I need to re-check our info on Mary Ann, I will talk to the cousin, she may have details from other films she has scanned. Thank you again. Regards Margaret

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls From: "Margaret Garthwaite" < megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:32 +0100 > I repeat, thank you Padraig for your very full and generous response. "Well, of course, we know they had to get to England to board those ships" Does that mean that the ships didn't sail directly from Ennis? I got this from a web-site, but I didn't note the address. Talavera built 1853. Barque. 1882 purchased from J. F. Gibb, London, 1890 scrapped. 384 tons "If you have actual transcriptions from the ships lists passengers on those two ships" NSW Archives for assisted passengers NESTOR Mary Ann 15 Queen of the East 1864 (reel numbers 2139, 2482) NESTOR Catherine 21 Talavera 1853 (reel numbers 2137, 2465) My cousin in Australia checked the reels, which is where the actual dates came from, but I don't have transcripts. "> Thomas went to England and the two unknown girls went to America and were never heard of again after the San Francisco earthquake (Oral history)>" My father told me, and my eldest surviving relative agrees with him. Apparently they used to correspond, then letters stopped after the earthquake. It is my ultimate fantasy to track them, but without names or dates, the chances are a bit remote! "What do you mean by 'other' records?" For Thomas, I have his marriage and death certificates, plus census entries. For Catherine and Mary Ann, I have oral evidence, as above, that letters stopped after WW1, also information from on-line records, and checks carried out by the Australian branch. "My problem with the IGI record of Mary ... it is unusual for a transcriber to anglicise the name from its Latinised original, and that also applies to the first names of the parents." Being a newbie, I hadn't registered that, but of course that's how they are shown in other baptismal records I have. "Besides that, she is not transcribed as Mary Ann(e)." I was convinced that she was, I don't know why. She is shown as Mary Ann on her marriage registration - NSW archives again. Also on most of the birth registration of her numerous children. And on her death, with parents John and Bridget, matching the name and address my senior relative had for her. I suppose we just assumed that the IGI represented "our" Mary Ann, becuse of the matching age and parents. I will get that re-checked. "O.K., where did he get married?" St Bede's Chapel, (now St Bede's Church) Appleton, Widnes Lancashire. Know it well, went to Mass there for years, parents married there, self baptised there. Not christened!. "Yes, we are searching for a place name." Padraig, you have obliged me to re-check all my data, and that can only be a good thing. I am so grateful for your help and advice. I need to re-check our info on Mary Ann, I will talk to the cousin, she may have details from other films she has scanned. Thank you again. Regards Margaret

Came across these names while doing research for an ancestor - didn't find who I was looking for but made note of these in case someone may have "lost" relatives. O'BRIEN John Native of Clare (born c.1830) O'BRIEN Catherine Native of Clare (born c.1850) CROTTY Thomas Native of Clare (born c.1840) CROTTY Catherine Native of Clare (born c.1850) The dates estimates are mine. These references were found in Helidon Cemetery, Queensland. This area is situated between Ipswich (one of Queensland's early towns) and the Darling Downs. Many early settlers in this area were from Ireland - particularly County Clare. Kay

From: "Margaret Garthwaite" < megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:32 +0100 > Thank you Padraig for your very full and generous response to my query. "> The research was done in Clare and I had very little to give the researcher, only the names of John and the three children, not even Bridget. I got that from the Australian shipping lists.>" "> Info on the girls came from Australian records, both assisted, don't know if they went to anyone. Catherine arrived in Sydney on Sept 6 1853, on the "Talavera" from Ennis, Co Clare. Mary Ann arrived in Sydney on April 30 1864, aged 15, on the "Queen of the East" from Ennis, Co Clare.>" Well, of course, we know they had to get to England to board those ships - But I have a couple of concerns here: "The ship 'Talavera' 1882 June 16 (www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Fourmast_Ships/Talavera(1882).html) According to an engine search, this ship was launched on June 16, 1882 "{at} the shipyard of Birrell, Stenhouse & Co., Dunbarton, as Yard No. 35 for John Hardie, Glasgow. Assigned the official British Reg. No. 86668. " The Barque did service from Glasgow and London to Melbourne and Sydney, as well as other eastern ports until 1896 May 1, when it was stranded on Santa Maria Island on a voyage from Valparaiso to Conception Bay in ballast. A search for the "Queen of the East" showed an arrival in Australia in March 1864. (http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/) There is nothing in that Website on the Talavera. If you have actual transcriptions from the ships lists passengers on those two ships, I would not object to getting them from you directly to my mailbox as an attachment. I would like to see them, with the appropriate record documentation. "> Thomas went to England and the two unknown girls went to America and were never heard of again after the San Francisco earthquake (Oral history)>" About these two unknowns - where did you get that info. from? ">No clues to births except for Mary Ann, baptised at Askeaton in 1848, and that came from the IGI. >" "> ... Only reckoned from other records, but probably fairly close for the others.>" What do you mean by 'other' records? " >... I know what you mean about the spread of ages, > but what were the likely survival rates for babies from poor families? Of > Thomas's thirteen, only six survived infancy, and of those, only five made > adulthood.>" My problem with the IGI record of Mary - and I agree that it seems to be a transcript from an R. C. parish record; the LDS reference indicates that - But it is unusual for a transcriber to anglicise the name from its Latinised original, and that also applies to the first names of the parents. Besides that, she is not transcribed as Mary Ann(e). Well, I can't elaborate in any way about infant mortality during that time, but if there were other children who survived birth, but died shortly afterwards, then there would be a record, provided they were baptised in the accepted manner at a church within a few days of birth, as was the custom. " >Mary Ann died in 1919 and Catherine in 1918. The death records for Mary Ann and Catherine come from the NSW BDM s. I have a lot of documentation for their descendants.>" " > I have all of Thomas's stuff, marriage, censuses, children's births, his death, but there is no extra info there. Except that in Jan 1664 when Thomas married, his father John, a labourer, is dead.?" O.K., where did he get married? " > I tend to interchange the terms christened and baptised very loosely - got told off by the priest for that very thing at the last family baptism. They were a RC family, still are; well, some of us! Not sure where my cousin got the godmother info from, I must check with her. >" That's O.K., so does the LDS, but they cover both bases. Bridget NESTOR must have died in Ireland, so it is worth looking for her death, that's something I hadn't thought of. Yes, we are searching for a place name. Thank you again. Regards Margaret ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar

Grass roots Queenslanders : the Kunkel family : the Australian family of Mary O'Brien and George Kunkel and the O'Brien family of Ballykelly, Co Clare, Ireland by Pauleen Kunkel Cass Publisher: Nightcliff, N.T. : Pauline Cass, 2003. ISBN: 097514460X available: University of Queensland, Brisbane posted by Sharon Carberry

O'Brien of Thomond : the O'Briens in Irish history, 1500-1865 by Ivar O'Brien Publisher: Chichester, Sussex, England : Phillimore, 1986. ISBN: 0850335825 available at major libraries, including: Newberry, Chciago NY Public Worcester (MA) Public Boston College and Boston public libraries NEHGS, Boston NUI, Maynooth, Ire. NUI, Galway posted by Sharon Carberry Gerogia

Famine, Illegitimacy and the Workhouse in Western Ireland: Kilrush, County Clare by L. Kennedy & P. Gray a section of the book Illegitimacy in Britain, 1700-1920 by Alysa Levene; Thomas Nutt; Samantha Williams ISBN: 1403990654 posted by Sharon Carberry Georgia

For anyone interested, the book 'O'Brien of Thomond' is available through Amazon/Borders at about $112.00 AbeBooks.com has it for $74.00 new and used. I have it available new through Clan O'Brien Services (http://www.clanobrien.com/gifts/obrienbooks.htm) for $75.00 which includes shipping from the publisher in Ireland direct anywhere in the world. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carberry" <sm8carberry@comcast.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] O'Brien of Thomond > O'Brien of Thomond : the O'Briens in Irish history, 1500-1865 > by Ivar O'Brien > > Publisher: Chichester, Sussex, England : Phillimore, 1986. > ISBN: 0850335825 > > available at major libraries, including: > Newberry, Chciago > NY Public > Worcester (MA) Public > Boston College and Boston public libraries > NEHGS, Boston > NUI, Maynooth, Ire. > NUI, Galway > > posted by Sharon Carberry > Gerogia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You are not lost, Sharon. The scent in those school registers is strong. All you need to do is sniff. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: 10 October 2006 20:33 To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Caseys in Clooneveige,Cty.Clare Hi Thanks for the tips. I really appreciate it as I am really lost. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Casey" <pcasey@compuserve.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Caseys in Clooneveige,Cty.Clare Sharon, Did you check out the Ennistymon school registers on the Clare Library site at www.clarelibrary.ie ? Use the spelling 'clonaveigh' for the placename. Lots of Caseys there. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon Sent: 05 October 2006 23:16 To: IRL-CLARE Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Caseys in Clooneveige,Cty.Clare I am looking for any information on Michael Patrick Casey born 1819 and married Margaret Buckley in 1840. They had a son named James baptised 21 July1841 in Clooneveige,Ennistymon,Cty Clare. Also a daughter Mary Ellem baptised 8 April 1843 in Clooneveige according to the Heritage Center in Corofin. I do not know where to look for information on this families of Casey and Buckley. Can anyone help me please I am about to give up. I do know Clooneveige is in Kilmanaheen Parish. Thank you Sharon Landingham slandingham@verizon.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Padraig for your very full and generous response to my query. The research was done in Clare and I had very little to give the researcher, only the names of John and the three children, not even Bridget. I got that from the Australian shipping lists. Info on the girls came from Australian records, both assisted, don't know if they went to anyone. Catherine arrived in Sydney on Sept 6 1853, on the "Talavera" from Ennis, Co Clare. Mary Ann arrived in Sydney on April 30 1864, aged 15, on the "Queen of the East" from Ennis, Co Clare. Thomas went to England and the two unknown girls went to America and were never heard of again after the San Francisco earthquake (Oral history) No clues to births except for Mary Ann, baptised at Askeaton in 1848, and that came from the IGI. Only reckoned from other records, but probably fairly close for the others. I know what you mean about the spread of ages, but what were the likely survival rates for babies from poor families? Of Thomas's thirteen, only six survived infancy, and of those, only five made adulthood. Mary Ann died in 1919 and Catherine in 1918. The death records for Mary Ann and Catherine come from the NSW BDM s. I have a lot of documentation for their descendants. I have all of Thomas's stuff, marriage, censuses, children's births, his death, but there is no extra info there. Except that in Jan 1664 when Thomas married, his father John, a labourer, is dead. I tend to interchange the terms christened and baptised very loosely - got told off by the priest for that very thing at the last family baptism. They were a RC family, still are; well, some of us! Not sure where my cousin got the godmother info from, I must check with her. Bridget NESTOR must have died in Ireland, so it is worth looking for her death, that's something I hadn't thought of. Thank you again. Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls ---- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Garthwaite" <megarthwaite@tiscali.co.uk> To: <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] NESTOR my brick walls > I'm posting my problem again because I would like to ask for advice from > the list. > > Just to set the scene; John NESTOR and Bridget WALSH had five children, > Catherine b. 1832, Thomas b 1842 and Mary Ann b 1848, plus two daughters, > names unkown. Family lore has it that they came from Ennis. Certainly > Catherine and Mary Ann left from Ennis when they emigrated to Australia. What documentation, if any, do you have for the birth years ? And look at the disparity between the birth years you have. Putting aside the two unknown daughters - there is 10 years btween Catherine and Thomas! and a further 6 years between Thomas and Mary Ann! - not your typical Catholic family, as trends went. > > I paid for some research, but no matching family showed up. Research, as you know, is only as good as the information given to the researcher - if the info. is wrong, well - one gets negative results - who did the research? If it was undertaken by a Co. Clare heritage centre, then they would not likely have access to the records for Askeaton, Co. Limerick. If they were searching the R.C. church records of Ennis, for example, then records didn't begin until 1841, and even then many pages of old registers are either missing entirely, or soiled, torn, tattered or faded beyond legibility. > > The Griffiths valuations for Ennis have an assortment of the 'correct' > names, and none that don't fit. > Forget Griffiths, as its only value is in seeing that the surname was evident in a given place, and even if first names matched, one can not be absolutely sure of a match. Besides many people never made it onto Griffiths - there was a minimum valuation placed on a house for it to be considered for valuation; and for the many who were just lodgers they could not be included. > But; > > the only solid info I have is that Mary Ann was christened in Askeaton. Let's deal with the Askeaton aspect - This is a small point, but the word 'Christened' is generally used in the Protestant faith; whereas 'Baptised' is consistently used in Catholic records - is this a clue, perhaps, to their religious denomination? Very important, indeed, as to which church records to check. Anyway, please elaborate on the 'solid info.,' that you have. > > Also it seems that Bridget NESTOR appears several times as godmother to > Askeaton baptisms under both her maiden name, WALSH, and her married name. > (So my fellow-researcher tells me.) Aside from the question of how your researcher can assume it is the Bridget in question, the above line, in regards to Bridget's marriage surname, is contrary to traditional R.C policy. But, again, Askeaton, Co. Limerick appears - suggesting that the family was from Co. Limerick and moved later to Co. Clare. > > There is a John NESTOR at Shanbally, with a Lawrence and a Michael, but > the names Lawrence and Michael >don't appear among the descendants of the > family at all, which suggests to me that this is not 'my' John NESTOR. Again, this appears to be a Griffiths record, and of no real value. But I would not discount those first names that don't appear later in the family. In my family tree in Feb 8, 1818, there was a Laurence, a name that appeared again on Sep. 2, 1832 within the same family unit, as if the first born one had died, but the name was somehow important enough in the family to be used again for another. But since then, the name has never, ever, been used.- it was just a two-time occurrence. > My question is; Is there anything else I can do, any more avenues to > explore, or should I just resign myself to the idea that I am never going > to know any more than this? I would be really grateful for comments, and > suggestions. > Have you checked the LDS films of civil death registrations for both parents? Such records don't provide much information other than the year of the event; the cause; the place, and the informants names. But the place name might prove to be a good clue. That's to assume, of course, that the parents had died in Ireland. Likewise with the brother Thomas, have you checked civil registrations, again at the LDS, from 1845 (Protestant) or 1864 (Catholic) for his possible marriage? These are the only thoughts I have, Margaret. It's a shame considering the info. that you have that you can't presently expand on it. Hopefully, you will in the forseeable future. Concetrate your efforts on Askeaton! > Margaret ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm posting my problem again because I would like to ask for advice from the list. Just to set the scene; John NESTOR and Bridget WALSH had five children, Catherine b. 1832, Thomas b 1842 and Mary Ann b 1848, plus two daughters, names unkown. Family lore has it that they came from Ennis. Certainly Catherine and Mary Ann left from Ennis when they emigrated to Australia. I paid for some research, but no matching family showed up. The Griffiths valuations for Ennis have an assortment of the 'correct' names, and none that don't fit. But; the only solid info I have is that Mary Ann was christened in Askeaton. Also it seems that Bridget NESTOR appears several times as godmother to Askeaton baptisms under both her maiden name, WALSH, and her married name. (So my fellow-researcher tells me.) There is a John NESTOR at Shanbally, with a Lawrence and a Michael, but the names Lawrence and Michael don't appear among the descendants of the family at all, which suggests to me that this is not 'my' John NESTOR. My question is; Is there anything else I can do, any more avenues to explore, or should I just resign myself to the idea that I am never going to know any more than this? I would be really grateful for comments, and suggestions. Thank you Margaret