FYI- Not related. Decatur Daily Republican; Decatur, Illinois; Tuesday evening, March 21, 1882 DIED. In Piatt county, on Monday, March 20, 1882, JOHN CURRY, aged 90 years. The funeral of the deceased took place from St. Patrick's Church in this city this forenoon, the remains being laid at rest in the Catholic Cemetery. Mr. Curry was a native of County Clare, Ireland, and came to America in January, 1865. He was the father of five children, and had 13 grand-children among other relatives to mourn his death. He was said to be the oldest man in Piatt county. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News from Papers not Pub. in Ireland http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/Other/

Check out their Web site at www.clarechampion.ie Diane

Sharon & Kitty., Just another few from the O'Callaghans Mills register: Baptisms: May 9th 1839 Bridget Parents Owen Meany and Marg't Roughan Sponsors Patrick Maloney and Bridget McNamara Residence Kilkishen August 22nd. 1852 Mary Parents Thomas ROUGHAN and Bridget CUNNEEN Sponsors Peter Clune and Margaret Cunneen Res. Kilkishen Baptism December 23rd 1863 Bridget Parents John Moloney and Mary Giltinane Spon. John (looks like) ROUGHAN and Ellen Clune from Kilkishen Marriage March 5th 1867 Michael Clune of Kilkishen to Anne McMahon of belvoir Witnesses: James ROUGHAN of Kilkishen and Maryanne Reynolds of Belvoir. Marriage July 24th 1856 Peter Clune to Anne Gillinane?? Both of Kilkishen Wit. Michael CUNNEEN and Mary Vaughan both of Kilkishen ( for you Sharon) Peter and Anne had several children however the Cunneen name is not mentioned with any. However if you would like what I have Sharon I will send them to you) Hope it is of some help Ernene -----Original Message----- From: irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-clare-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Carberry Sent: Sunday, 15 October 2006 4:00 AM To: irl-clare@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Rougan of upper E. Clare Kitty, There are a handful of us on this list who are wondering about Roughans in East Clare. I keep an eye on them because of a Roughan as baptismal sponsor for a Carberry infant in my East Clare family, although that may be due to the Roughan's being related to the Cunneens, who intermarried with my Carberrys. When doing East Clare and encountering old references to Limerick, you need to keep in mind that at times the very most eastern Clare places were listed as Limerick. Both the governmental and church units in which they fell tended to have the greater portion of the unit in Co. Limerick.

Emene, Thank you for answering. Are you researching Roughan? Kitty

Ernene, Many thanks for the additional records, which ,as we know, are re-combinations of familiar surnames (except for Giltinane, that's a new one for me). Indeed I have been eyeing Vaughn in East Clare, but that is such a tough name to pursue in the U.S. due to its lack of uniqueness as an Irish surname. Also, the Thomas Roughan and Bridget Cunneen (as parents) record is very interesting, in view of the online family website with the sequel to that story. As always, your sharing the film is really appreciated. Every bit helps. Sharon C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernene Smedley" <ernene@tpg.com.au> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Roughan and Cunneen of upper E. Clare > Sharon & Kitty., > > Just another few from the O'Callaghans Mills register: > > Baptisms: > > May 9th 1839 > Bridget Parents Owen Meany and Marg't Roughan > Sponsors Patrick Maloney and Bridget McNamara Residence Kilkishen > > August 22nd. 1852 Mary > Parents Thomas ROUGHAN and Bridget CUNNEEN > Sponsors Peter Clune and Margaret Cunneen Res. Kilkishen > > Baptism December 23rd 1863 Bridget > Parents John Moloney and Mary Giltinane > Spon. John (looks like) ROUGHAN and Ellen Clune from Kilkishen > > Marriage March 5th 1867 > Michael Clune of Kilkishen to Anne McMahon of belvoir > Witnesses: James ROUGHAN of Kilkishen and Maryanne Reynolds of Belvoir. > > Marriage July 24th 1856 > Peter Clune to Anne Gillinane?? Both of Kilkishen > Wit. Michael CUNNEEN and Mary Vaughan both of Kilkishen ( for you > Sharon) ....

It's a civil marriage record I'm looking for. I know the parish and am hoping to find a date to ask the Heritage Center to look up the marriage (the LDS never filmed it, unfortunately). It's a very long shot. Diane

> Is the given name, Donogh, equivalent to Dennis? > Not usually, they are separate and distinct first names. But who knows over time what an individual family might do with it. According to MacLysaght, the name is wide spread around the island. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <DUCKEECPS@aol.com> To: <IRL-CLARE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] ROWAN, ROUGHAN, ROHAN the message

The spelling of the name has, it seems, become standardised as 'Rowan' - my sister married a 'Rowan, and his family for many, many years were in the city, but he says they came from some townland in the county, where they were evicted from. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <DUCKEECPS@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Rougan of upper E. Clare > Thank you Georgia, > > That's definitely the kind of info I'm looking for. I've spent so much > time > "hanging around" the Limerick List, it's been kind of hard to switch > gears. > > Did any of your line of Roughan's have ties to Limerick, or, for that > matter, New York? > > Did any of your Roughan's ever, in later years, change to Rowan? In our > 1850 Census my three are listed as Dennis Rowhen, Timothy Rowhen, and > John > Roughan. By 1860, they were using Rowen or Rowan. > > Do you know if the given name of Donough would be an equivalent of > Dennis? > Any Irish county that I have been watching is very lacking for the given > name > of Dennis with Rowan. > > Sorry for all of the questions, but I sure appreciate your help. > Kitty

Well, you are right! But in some instances - mainly large towns or cities - one will see the name of a civil parish that is co - terminous , more or less, with the area and name of an ecclesiastical parish. In Limerick city, for example, one sees St.Mary's, St. Munchin's. St. Michael's; and St. John's. In Kilmallock, one will see Sts. Peters and Paul. Other than those exceptions, one see the name of a , as you said a townland, that can be associated with a parish. In the case of Corrofin - the subject of this thread - it is also a Catholic parish. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Lookup Request >I have NEVER seen the name of a church (Catholic or Protestant) on the >Civil Birth certificates I received from the GRO. However, they will have >the townland the child was born and where the parents resided at the time >of birth. With that you could then seek out the church for the religious >persuasion you are seeking. I think there is a place on the Clare Library >list that names the churches for RC and the dates their sacramental records >commence. > > Since you have researched in Ireland you know that pre 1864 is quite an > "iffy" project. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: > Could someone on the list who has access to the civil marriage index tell > me > if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Kelly and Sarah (unknown > last name) in the Corofin district between 1864 and 1871? (Thomas was my > greatgrandmother's brother. I'm hoping the civil registration will lead me > to the > church, and thus to my greatgreatgrandmother's name, currently a brick > wall.) > Thanks very much! > > Diane Culhane

Sorry to trouble the list but is anyone researching or have come across any O'Gorman family from Limerick/Clare. I have a Charlotte O'Gorman who married in Dublin 1869 Church of Ireland and on the marriage certificate it states she was born in Limerick her father was a Richard O'Gorman. I presume that Charlotte was born c1847. All the details I have are from the marriage certificate. Kind regards Jack

Thank you, Sharon. I was hoping that the equivalent was Dennis. Kitty

Kitty, As I stated, my Carberry family has only that one Roughan baptismal sponsor which seems to arise out of my family's closeness to the Cunneens. I will let the real Roughan descendants step forward to answer your other questions, but, in less than 60 seconds with some basic Googling ("donogh +denis" as search phrase), I found the below information on the forename which seems to have you puzzled. Sharon Carberry residing Georgia "5. THE IRISH OR ENGLISH EQUIVALENTS OF ONE ANOTHER: But not necessarily being a correct translation of such names. Donough: Denis: Donat ...." http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587/Irname.html Also note: "Donogh Mór O'Daly (In Irish Donnchadh Mór O Dálaigh) A celebrated Irish poet, d. 1244. About thirty of his poems are extant, amounting to four or five thousand lines, nearly all religious. O'Reilly styles him Abbot of Boyle (Irish Writers, p. LXXXVIII) as does O'Curry (Manners and Customs, III, p. 301); he was certainly buried in the abbey there, but it cannot be proved that he was an ecclesiastic..." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11206a.htm "...Of a later date is "Donnchadh MacCathal beg," composed for Donogh (Denis) O'Conor, at whose house O'Carolan was always a welcome guest..." http://www.libraryireland.com/IrishMusic/XXI.php ----- Original Message ----- From: <DUCKEECPS@aol.com> To: <irl-clare@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Rougan of upper E. Clare > Thank you Georgia, > > That's definitely the kind of info I'm looking for. I've spent so much time > "hanging around" the Limerick List, it's been kind of hard to switch gears. > > Did any of your line of Roughan's have ties to Limerick, or, for that > matter, New York? > > Did any of your Roughan's ever, in later years, change to Rowan? In our > 1850 Census my three are listed as Dennis Rowhen, Timothy Rowhen, and John > Roughan. By 1860, they were using Rowen or Rowan. > > Do you know if the given name of Donough would be an equivalent of Dennis? > Any Irish county that I have been watching is very lacking for the given name > of Dennis with Rowan. > > Sorry for all of the questions, but I sure appreciate your help. > > > Kitty > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 10/13/2006 > >

Thank you Georgia, That's definitely the kind of info I'm looking for. I've spent so much time "hanging around" the Limerick List, it's been kind of hard to switch gears. Did any of your line of Roughan's have ties to Limerick, or, for that matter, New York? Did any of your Roughan's ever, in later years, change to Rowan? In our 1850 Census my three are listed as Dennis Rowhen, Timothy Rowhen, and John Roughan. By 1860, they were using Rowen or Rowan. Do you know if the given name of Donough would be an equivalent of Dennis? Any Irish county that I have been watching is very lacking for the given name of Dennis with Rowan. Sorry for all of the questions, but I sure appreciate your help. Kitty

Kitty, There are a handful of us on this list who are wondering about Roughans in East Clare. I keep an eye on them because of a Roughan as baptismal sponsor for a Carberry infant in my East Clare family, although that may be due to the Roughan's being related to the Cunneens, who intermarried with my Carberrys. When doing East Clare and encountering old references to Limerick, you need to keep in mind that at times the very most eastern Clare places were listed as Limerick. Both the governmental and church units in which they fell tended to have the greater portion of the unit in Co. Limerick. Sharon Carberry Georgia 25 Aug 1849 Missing Friends ad, of Bridget Rohan Hayes, wife residing in Montreal, Quebec, with a contact name of William Casey in Hinesburgh VT seeking Timothy Hayes Information given for Timothy's origin: Limerick Parish: Abington Townland: Boher Barony: Clanwilliam Poor-Law: Limerick Two Missing Friends ads by brother Peter Roughan, dated 6 Aug 1853, with contact name John Kenny in Steubenville OH: MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: John Roughan County: Clare Parish: Clooney Townland: Cragana Vare,Cluna Barony: Bunratty Upper Poor-Law: Tulla 1st location: Ia,Indianapolis MISSING PERSON'S INFORMATION Name: Margaret Roughan Arrival date: 53 1st location: NYC, Brooklyn This might be that Peter: 1880 census Columbus, Franklin, Ohio Roughan Peter 60 Ire laborer Peter 18 OH " mother: Ire. Hannah 16 " Edward 14 " works in tar yard Posted on Clare list by Bill Parks WWParks928@cs.com http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/4658/Roan.10.html "Looking for roots in county Clare for: John ROHAN, b. abt. 1800, who married Bridget COSTELLO, b. abt. 1813 in Clare and had children Martin, b. 1837, John Henry, b. June 24, 1839 and Bridget, b. abt. 1840 in Clare. Children Michael, b. abt. 1843 and Mary, b. abt. 1845 were both born in Vermont. John ROHAN had a younger brother James, b. abt 1810, who married Bridget CONSIDINE b. abt. 1818 in Clare and had children after arriving in Wisconsin. Both John and James ROHAN emigrated to Vermont in the early 1840's and when on to Milwaukee in the late 1840's, where they lived in the 4th ward near a family headed by Michael COSTELLO and wife Catharine, who were apparently related to Briget COSTELLO ROHAN." This fits Bills' description: 1860 Milwaukee 4th Ward Rohan John 60 b. Clare Ire lab'r Bridget 57 " Martin 22 " bank clerk John 21 " painter Bridget 18 " domestoc Michael 16 VT Mary 14 " 1860 Milwaukee 4th Ward Rohan James 50 b. Clare, Ire lab'r Bridget 45 " Ellen 10 WI James 7 Margaret 5 Bridget 3 Ann 8/12 posted by listmember Maria Richter: "...Tithe Applotment records and this is what I found: Cornls Roughan Umurkagh(Townland) Kilnasoolagh 29 Oct 1825 John Roughan Umurkagh Kilnasoolagh 29 Oct 1825 Cornelius Roughan... was born 1811 in County Clare. I know that his parents are Cornelius Roughan and Catherine McNamara. He came to America in 1836. He spent six years in Gennessee Co, New York and then moved to Racine, Wisconsin... Mary Elizabeth (my greatgrandmother) b. 1844, Ellen M b 1846, Catherine S b 1847, Bridget Bella b 1849, Patrick J b. 1851, Frances Jane b. 1853, Martha T b. 1856, Edward D b. 1859, Cornelius Jr b. 1861, and Martha E b. 1865. There was also a Timothy Roughan b 1818 in Clare Co, Ire who came to Racine with wife Mary. In 1852 they became citizens.Their children are John b. 1850, Thomas b. 1854, Catherine b. 1856, Bridget b. 1859, and Ellen b. 1861. Timothy and Cornelius were neighbors.This info is from the 1860 census." Maria also posted: "I have copied from The History of Kenosha and Racine Counties pg 610, the biographical sketch of Corneluis ROUGHAN, my grgrgrandfather. He came to Racine in the fall of 1841. He was born April 15, 1811 in Umarka, County Clare, Ireland. He came to America on the LIMERICK which was sailed by a CAPTAIN MCFADDEN and arrived in New York in March 1836. He remained in New York for 6 years before going to Racine, Wisconsin. In the sketch, Cornelius' parents are listed as Cornelius ROUGHAN and Catherine MCNAMARA..." posted by listmember Judith Mason (Chicago IL) "Michael Rohan & Elizabeth Dolan m. November 27, 1832 parish of Parteen/Meelick. Witnesses Michael Laughlin & Geoffrey Dolan. Children: Mary baptised parish of Cratloe. Martin, Patrick, Bridget, John, Eliza, Anne baptised parish of Parteen/Meelick Residence: Derra (Derrymore)" Kilkishen families -- early records listed at: http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/killaloe.htm "FOORDE, William, merchant, of Limerick and Mary CROFTS of Cahircalla, Dio. Killaloe. Bondsmen: John ROANE of Backfiled, Co. Clare, Gent. and James CROFTS of Cahircalla. 20 Oct 1712 (folio 117)." [Backfield is a rural townland just northeast of Kilkishen] and "FRANKLIN, William, of Portaneard, Co. Limerick and Helena ROANE of Barkfield, Co. Clare. Bondsmen: Richard ROANE of Barkfield, and Robert FRANKLIN of Portaneard, Gent. 8 June 1719 (folio 136)." [Barkfield is likely Backfield.] Marriages of the 1830s, posted by Ernene Smedley from FHL Film 979693: Baptism Dec.4th 1831/1832?? James Parents Jns./Jno.GRADY,Biddy ROUGHAN Sponsors Martin FAHY?, Marg.MAC Residence looks like Glanvee? Baptism October 27th 1833 Anne Parents Ml.GRADY, Bridget ROUGHAN Witnesses Martin FOLY?, Cath.ROUGHAN Residence Glandree??? Baptism February 13th 1835 Bridget Parents John GRADY, Bridget ROUGHAN Sponsor Mary COLLINS Residence Glandree 1848 signators of William Smith O'Brien petition Roughan in Inchiquin Daniel John My Carberry family's relationship to Roughan: Parish of O'Callaghan Mills (RC) Marriage 27 Jul 1856 Peter Carberry to Margaret Cunneen, Kilkishen witnesses: John Cunneen, Mary Cunneen Baptisms of their children: 13 Jul 1857 Catherine sponsors: John Cunneen, Mary Walsh 5 Feb 1859 Patrick sp: John O'Brien, Margaret ROUGHAN 15 Nov 1860 Mary sp: Margaret Cunneen, Bridget Donnellan Griffiths Valuation of 1855 All in civil parish of Clonlea Rowhan Margaret Teeronea [townland in Kilkishen] Thomas Clonlea Online family history-- "Margaret Roughan also came from County Clare, the village of Kilkishen, of parents Thomas Roughan and Bridget (Cunneen) born 5 February 1836. Margaret had been taught to be an extremely competent housekeeper, and in 1860 her brothers Thomas and Michael Roughan who were on the Victorian goldfields sent back enough money for her to join them in their tent. Margaret travelled on the sailing ship 'Telegraph' and arrived in New South Wales on 15 October 1860. From there she travelled to Victoria where her brothers had settled... http://www.whelan.net.nz/James.htm

I am new to the Clare List. I am sorry for the length of this first posting, but would very much appreciate any help/direction you can give me. Recently I was given information from the Limerick List that my family’s surname is not listed in the “Families of Limerick“, but is listed in “Families of Clare:” “The Irish Family "Roughan... recorded in the Upper & Lower Bunratty”.In the “Book of Forfeitures and Distributions-1641”, I have found: Donogh Oge O’Roughan, proprietor townland of Sunnagh North, Parish Inchicronan. Is the given name, Donogh, equivalent to Dennis? My gr gr grandfather: Denis Rowan b. 1799 immigrated to Troy, New York about 1830 He says he married in Troy in 1831 to Eleanor COSTELLOE - children were New York-born died 1892 in Arcade, New York (DC gives no parents or where “in Ireland”) Brother to Denis: John Rowan b. 1800 immigrated to the same area as Denis about 1832 married Rosanna FOX (either in Ireland or here) - they had no children died 1874 in Arcade, New York (no DC’s for this era) PRESUMED brother to Denis & John: Timothy Rowan b. 1814 married Margaret CASEY (in Ireland) - had 2 Irish-born sons when they came to US immigrated to Arcade, New York about 1845-1849 died 1862 in Arcade, New York (again, no DC’s for this era) PROBLEM: All three tombstones for my Rowan “boys” indicate “Limerick”. I have found no information for this family in Limerick. Are there any ROUGHAN researchers on this Clare List who have lines that may have gone from Clare to Limerick in the early 1800’s? I'm thinking that possibly John and Denis could have been born in Clare and the family moved to Limerick, early on. Thank you for any help you can give. Kitty

I have NEVER seen the name of a church (Catholic or Protestant) on the Civil Birth certificates I received from the GRO. However, they will have the townland the child was born and where the parents resided at the time of birth. With that you could then seek out the church for the religious persuasion you are seeking. I think there is a place on the Clare Library list that names the churches for RC and the dates their sacramental records commence. Since you have researched in Ireland you know that pre 1864 is quite an "iffy" project. Mary Ellen Chambers DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: Could someone on the list who has access to the civil marriage index tell me if there is a record of a marriage between Thomas Kelly and Sarah (unknown last name) in the Corofin district between 1864 and 1871? (Thomas was my greatgrandmother's brother. I'm hoping the civil registration will lead me to the church, and thus to my greatgreatgrandmother's name, currently a brick wall.) Thanks very much! Diane Culhane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CLARE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fay, I went to the Local Studies Centre today and here's what was written about Thomas O'DEA. Clare Champion Feb 7 1948 STRANGE ROAD FATALITY Thomas O'DEA, aged 28 years of Baunmore, Lisdeen, Kilkee, met his death undeer tragic circumstances on Wed. night. As the driver of a bus which left Ennis about 6:30 was rounding a bend in the townland of Baunmore, he saw a man lying on the road facing the bus. Not having an opportunity of swerving in order to avoid the object, the only course open to the driver was to try and get the centre of the bus over the body and this he suceeded in doing. After passing over the man the bus stopped at once. On examination of the body it was found that the man was dead. The deceased it is learned was subject to periodical fits and it is surmised that in one of those he fell on the road and was unable to get up. On March 20, 1948 there is an acknowledgement of the family. However no names were listed. The aprents, family and relatives of the late Thomas O'DEA, Baunmore, Lisdeen, Co. Clare desire to return their most sincere thanks to all those who symathised with them in their recent sad bereavement; to those who sent Mass cards, telegrams and letters of sympathy; to those who called and personally attended to the remains and the funeral. They trust that this will be accepted by all as it would be impossible to reply individually. All the best, Jennifer ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Good suggestion Larry, since it's been awhile since I posted. I sent for the FHL film of the Index of Births for all of Ireland for l866, FHL film # 0101043. The film has been sent back but I copied the names that were requested so will be posting them as I have time to do so. I hope it helps someone. Toni It's Autumn in Southern Tier NYS

FITZGIBBON Vol/pg Daniel Kilmallock 20/342 James Kinsale 20/367 John Ennis 14/244 Patrick Kilmallock 10/382 FITZPATRICK None in Inagh GILLIGAN Bridget Ennis 19/269 GREEN Catherine Kilrush 9/389 James Enniskillen 7/83 Jane Francis " 12/87 Johanna Rathkeale 20/565 Patrick Enniscorthy 19/748 Rachael Kilrush 4/418 Susan " 9/387 Thomas Enniskillen 7/96 Source: FHL # 0101043

Hi, Faye: I don't know that area of Clare well, but I looked up O'Dea in Clare on eircom.ie and found 122 listings. You could check a map of Ireland and see if any are near your family's old homestead, then try writing them. (New Quay is not near Kilkee, so there may be no connection between the nine children who drowned and your family.) Finally, you could ask the Clare Champion to post an inquiry for you about Thomas O'Dea, or ask the Lisdeen postmaster (if there is one) if there are still relatives around. 1948 was not that long ago--there probably are. Finally, if you post again, you should change the subject line to something like O'Dea from Kilkee. Some people read only subject lines, and you want to catch the eye of people who might know the family. Good luck! Diane