When I think of Ennis, I want to think it is more inland to the west of Ballynacally.  Right now I am looking at the Ordnance Survey 2nd Edition Ireland West Holiday Map.   According to this map, Ballynacally is not quite on the coast and Ennis is basically north and a little east of Ballynacally.  Ballynacally is on a red hwy.   Alanna --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:49 PM no you were right, ennis is near the coast, about 25 miles and on the shannon estuary. what map were you looking at? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more But, when I looked at some map, I saw it on the coast of the Shannon River, or maybe I was totally wrong! Alanna --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:43 PM Ballynacally is Ennis. so when you are there you could walk it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Spearin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more > The roads are pretty good, so you can fly along. Most of it is motorway so > 100 kilometeres an hour, which is 70 miles an hour. > > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more > > > Oh, I understand driving distant and driving time. I live in So Calif. and > have driven 4K miles in NZ and from CA to TX where the speed limit at > times > is 80 mph and if you do not do it you have an 18 wheeler big truck > breathing > down your neck. In NZ when I was there, there were many "metal" roads > which > were gravel roads and slow going. > > And going from say Ennis to Ballynacally where my local records, if any, > should be, how long or how far would that be? > > Again Thanks. > > Alanna > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Liz Haren <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Liz Haren <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:24 PM > > > In Dublin, across the country, I'd say at least a 4 hour drive? (distance > is not always a good indicator of time spent getting there - at least in > Ireland). > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Alanna L Scanlon > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Where is the National Library located? >> >> How far is it from Ennis? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Alanna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But, when I looked at some map, I saw it on the coast of the Shannon River, or maybe I was totally wrong!   Alanna --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:43 PM Ballynacally is Ennis. so when you are there you could walk it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Spearin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more > The roads are pretty good, so you can fly along. Most of it is motorway so > 100 kilometeres an hour, which is 70 miles an hour. > > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library + more > > > Oh, I understand driving distant and driving time. I live in So Calif. and > have driven 4K miles in NZ and from CA to TX where the speed limit at > times > is 80 mph and if you do not do it you have an 18 wheeler big truck > breathing > down your neck. In NZ when I was there, there were many "metal" roads > which > were gravel roads and slow going. > > And going from say Ennis to Ballynacally where my local records, if any, > should be, how long or how far would that be? > > Again Thanks. > > Alanna > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Liz Haren <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Liz Haren <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:24 PM > > > In Dublin, across the country, I'd say at least a 4 hour drive? (distance > is not always a good indicator of time spent getting there - at least in > Ireland). > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Alanna L Scanlon > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Where is the National Library located? >> >> How far is it from Ennis? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Alanna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is FAST!   Alanna --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Margaret Spearin [email protected]> wrote: The roads are pretty good, so you can fly along. Most of it is motorway so 100 kilometeres an hour, which is 70 miles an hour. Margaret

Len, I am thinking about actual bc's and dc's.   I have gone to that web site.  The Lack school listing has most of my Sheedy kin -- my grandmothe and her siblings.   Thanks.   Alanna --- On Tue, 3/8/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:31 PM It's in Dublin.  I think the best resource is the Clare County Library  on-line site.  It's tremendous. Len In a message dated 3/8/2011 8:19:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  [email protected] writes: Where is  the National Library located? How far is it from  Ennis? Thank  you. Alanna ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, I understand driving distant and driving time.  I live in So Calif. and have driven 4K miles in NZ and from CA to TX where the speed limit at times is 80 mph and if you do not do it you have an 18 wheeler big truck breathing down your neck.  In NZ when I was there, there were many "metal" roads which were gravel roads and slow going. And going from say Ennis to Ballynacally where my local records, if any, should be, how long or how far would that be?   Again Thanks.   Alanna   --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Liz Haren <[email protected]> wrote: From: Liz Haren <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] National Library To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 5:24 PM In Dublin, across the country, I'd say at least a 4 hour drive?  (distance is not always a good indicator of time spent getting there - at least in Ireland). On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Alanna L Scanlon <[email protected]>wrote: > Where is the National Library located? > > How far is it from Ennis? > > Thank you. > > Alanna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where is the National Library located?   How far is it from Ennis?   Thank you.   Alanna

252 Lauder John Causeway, Ennis. 59 Married Protestant Ordnance surveyor 21 Jan 1904 Ennis Urban 24 Jan 1904 4 ? Gordon P. Carmody The above is taken from Dromcliff Burial Rolls: 1901 Census In Ennis: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Ennis_Rural/Clonroad_More_Part_of_Barony_of_Islands__Rural_/1069084/

Dear Kathryn, I have a substantial amount of information for the Leyden/Murray/Mason family from Rahona, Carrigholt (also Athlunkard/Parteen) most of which Murray/Mason and from here in Chicago.  Would be happy to share. Judie Mason Chicago   ________________________________ From: Kathryn Rennie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 8, 2011 11:43:22 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Layden family/records through abt 1868 Hello, I'm attempting to trace my Layden and Behan ancestors from Co. Clare, Ireland.  Austin Behan and his family were in the US by 1849, so they're out when attempting to look at Griffith's Valuations (my George Behan, likely Austin's nephew, should have still been in Ireland, but was only abt 12, & I'm not sure who his father was).  However, my ancestor Michael Layden would have been very much alive, married with children in 1855.  Michael was born abt 1810, his wife Mary, abt 1815. Anyway, to my question, I'm hoping someone knows about researching in one or more of these places: 1855 Griffiths: (Name, Townland, Parish, Union) Michael Layden, Kilbarron, Feakle, Scarriff Michael Leddane, Rahona East Carrigholt Village, Moyarta, Kilrush Michael Leydan, Sileshaun East, Inagh, Ennistimon Michael Leydin, Ballylaan, Kilmacrehy, Ennistimon Michael Liddane, Fintra Beg, Kilfarboy, Ennistimon Thomas [Michael] Liddane, Tullig, Kilballyowen, Kilrush I am most interested in two bolded ones, b/c a Thomas Leydin (1st) and a Thomas Liddane (2nd) was also listed in the same location, and Michael's only son (or at least only one to immigrate to the US with them) was named Thomas.  My belief is Thomas was their youngest child (they had at least 4 daughters immigrate prior to 1868, who were older).  Thomas appears to have been born abt 1848 based on census records. I would appreciate any input!  This appears to be one of my most likely lines to trace back to Ireland (unlike my lineage of White, Tate, and O'Neill families who simply state "Ireland" as place of birth, lol). Katie Rennie                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I'm attempting to trace my Layden and Behan ancestors from Co. Clare, Ireland. Austin Behan and his family were in the US by 1849, so they're out when attempting to look at Griffith's Valuations (my George Behan, likely Austin's nephew, should have still been in Ireland, but was only abt 12, & I'm not sure who his father was). However, my ancestor Michael Layden would have been very much alive, married with children in 1855. Michael was born abt 1810, his wife Mary, abt 1815. Anyway, to my question, I'm hoping someone knows about researching in one or more of these places: 1855 Griffiths: (Name, Townland, Parish, Union) Michael Layden, Kilbarron, Feakle, Scarriff Michael Leddane, Rahona East Carrigholt Village, Moyarta, Kilrush Michael Leydan, Sileshaun East, Inagh, Ennistimon Michael Leydin, Ballylaan, Kilmacrehy, Ennistimon Michael Liddane, Fintra Beg, Kilfarboy, Ennistimon Thomas [Michael] Liddane, Tullig, Kilballyowen, Kilrush I am most interested in two bolded ones, b/c a Thomas Leydin (1st) and a Thomas Liddane (2nd) was also listed in the same location, and Michael's only son (or at least only one to immigrate to the US with them) was named Thomas. My belief is Thomas was their youngest child (they had at least 4 daughters immigrate prior to 1868, who were older). Thomas appears to have been born abt 1848 based on census records. I would appreciate any input! This appears to be one of my most likely lines to trace back to Ireland (unlike my lineage of White, Tate, and O'Neill families who simply state "Ireland" as place of birth, lol). Katie Rennie

Hi, Larry Healey has shared a couple of photos from his visit to Clare in 2005. One is of Bunratty Castle and the other is of Durty Nelly's pub. If you are interested, go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on CLARE and then Photos. Enjoy... Christina

If the Leader family was of English descent, you should also search Church of Ireland records. Google Church of Ireland and you'll find a place in Dublin that has many of the records, hopefully including Ennis. The records in the NLI are Catholic. Also, you wouldn't likely find Ellen Leader in any directory unless she was still single and operated a business. Diane

Robert, Found this on Ennis Baptisms Name Father Mother DateLeaden Ellon Martin Mary Molony 24/11/1841 While the surname is Leaden not Leader, if you look at Ellon rather than Ellen, it's possible the transcriber got both wrong. I can't see a Martin Leaden in Griffiths Valuation. So it could be a sister to Catherine. Have you looked for any other Leader arrivals in SA? I estimate Martin Leader to be born around 1810, so I doubt you would find him in 1825 Tithe Applotment lists as he would be barely 15. There looks to be a Thomas Leader in Drumcliff who may be his father but this is purely speculation. Perhaps significantly there are only 111 occurrences of the Leader surname in all of 1901 census, and only one who gives birthplace as Clare. I'm not sure if the shipping papers to SA are available. I believe the bulk of them were lost in a flood. Check with SA Archives of SA Society of Genealogists if there may be something there, or perhaps on Irish Orphans to SA. Unfortunately too, Clare records are not on the IFHF website. Sorry I haven't helped much. Peter in Sydney

After leaving it in the "too hard" basket for a long while, I am returning for another look at the origins of Catherine LEADER. Catherine arrived in South Australia as an 18 year old domestic servant travelling from Co. Clare as an "Assisted Immigrant" under a "Remittance Order" on the "Escort" which had sailed from Liverpool on April 20, 1859. According to her marriage registration (July 28, 1863) her father was Martin LEADER, and her age was 21. She died on June 4, 1909, and her headstone gives her age as 67, which matches the age given on her marriage rather than on her passenger record, but not too different. I have so far not discovered any family record of her date of birth, and there are only vague family stories that "She was Catholic", and that "She may have been an orphan, with the family wiped out by the potato famine". Everyone here who actually knew her has now died, and there are few written records, although I have found a couple of photographs. I have found a reference to Martin LEADER in Griffiths Valuation (page 159), tenant of George TROUSDELL in a Townland in Cloghleagh. The land had a rateable value of 14/- and the buildings of 6/-. There are some other references in Dublin, but none I have found in Clare. The 1825 Tithe Applotments do not seem to have a reference to Martin LEADER, but there are many references to a name "with 5 others", or "with 9 others", so he or the family may have been there then. Does this ring a bell and fit with someone's tree or can the wisdom and experience on this list help to point me in a direction to start my search please? Robert SLATER South Australia

Robert, you are not the only one to have that problem.  All my ancestors were old when they had their children.  Most of those who were still alive when I was born knew nothing or said they did not know.  The ones who did know things and were still alive when I was born, died when I was still too young to know how to ask questions.  I am thinking right now of such a couple.  I asked them about my mother's father when I was a child.  Later I asked my mother who they were.  She did not know.  I asked her brother who the woman was.  He said he thought she was their mother's first cousin.  She was and had been raised by my 2g grandmother and could have told me soooo many things, things that cannot be found anywhere else now.   This grandmother had two families and I traced a descendent of the second family hoping that he might know something.  He wanted nothing to do with family history.  Another dead end.   My father took us to visit some people.  One I long later learned was my grandfather's sister.  I was even younger than the case above.  She was long dead when I realized who she was.  She was born in Ireland.   So sad for those of us like that.   Alanna --- On Sun, 3/6/11, Robert SLATER <[email protected]> wrote: I have so far not discovered any family record of her date of birth, and there are only vague family stories that "She was  Catholic", and that "She may have been an orphan, with the family wiped out by the potato famine". Everyone here who actually knew her has now died, and there are few written records, although I have found a couple of photographs. Robert SLATER South Australia  

I checked the Ennis baptisms as well, and they begin in 1841. There are no more children of Martin listed, so Ellen was the last of that line. In rural Clare in those days, all the peasants were Catholic and they were devastated by the Famine. I also looked for Martin Leader/Leaden in Clare in familysearch, found one born to Denis in Kilkishen townland in 1875, possibly a grandson of your Martin. There are Kilkishen townlands in Clonlea and Kilmurry civil parishes, not too far from Ennis. Unfortunately, couldn't find Denis's marriage, which would have given his father's name. Diane

I noticed when I was adding more Royal Irish Constabulary extracts, that there was a gap of several months. I have filled in those months of January - June 1853. I put them in the first file. To view these go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/ Click on Military/Constabulary. I am still looking for a James MANNING b. in Clare. He was Retired RIC in Dublin in 1901/1911. I don't find him in the Ancestry RIC database. I hope I will trip over him doing this. LOL Christina

Xavier is in fact a basque name that has been borrowed into Spanish and now into english. All of the Catholics on the list will known Ignatius of Loyola which is a Spanish version of Xavier. The founder of the Jesuits was a basque and his home town is high in the Basque mountains, in a town called Azpeitia, see http://www.santuariodeloyola.org/intro.htm?lang=EN jon On 05/03/2011, at 8:49 PM, Margaret Garthwaite wrote: > He doesn't seem to be in the censuses, and there don't seem to be any births > early enough to apply. > > The Xaviers who appear in the censuses seem to be often Indian-born, which > figures, it's a Spanish/Portuguese surname I think > > Sorry not to be of more help > > Regards > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Brennan Ireland > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] English Records Look Up Please > > Friends, > > I am trying to assist with a local rearch with regard to Anne Reilly > (O'Reilly) Born circa 20th. November 1867 in Ballynacally, Co. Clare, > Ireland.She married John Xavier from Harrigton, England.I wonder has anybody > acces to English Records Census etc. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Larry. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jon O'Grady Sydney, Australia

Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] English Records Look Up Please > Hi Larry Anne (or Anne-Jane as she was later known in Australia) was the daughter of James and Anne O'REILLY - a younger sibling of my grandmother, Agnes. Ann married John Xavier HARRINGTON (born County Cork c1850s) on 20 Nov. 1900 in Hughenden, Qld. John died on 30 Oct 1910 in Rockhampton, Qld. in very tragic circumstances - an event which appears to have affected the lives of all his children. The children of Ann-Jane and John - Daniel born 1901 died 1944 Anna Maria (Nance) born 1903 died 1962 Agnes born 1905 died 1952 Mary born 1907 died 1990 (Mother of cousin Irene) Anthony born 1908 died - at presently unknown John was the son of Daniel and Mary FIELD - all County Cork. Can fill you in with more information if you want it. Regards, Kay You have this information a bit mixed up - England not involved. It is one of my O'REILLY Line and I have all the information which I will send to you. Regards, Kay From: "Larry Brennan Ireland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] English Records Look Up Please Friends, I am trying to assist with a local rearch with regard to Anne Reilly (O'Reilly) Born circa 20th. November 1867 in Ballynacally, Co. Clare, Ireland.She married John Xavier from Harrigton, England.I wonder has anybody has access to English Records Census etc. Many thanks in advance.

Hi Larry You have this information a bit mixed up - England not involved. It is one of my O'REILLY Line and I have all the information which I will send to you. Regards, Kay On Sat, Mar 5th, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Larry > I have ancestry and can have a look. Do you have any other details? > > Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Brennan Ireland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] English Records Look Up Please > > > > Friends, > > > > I am trying to assist with a local rearch with regard to Anne Reilly > > (O'Reilly) Born circa 20th. November 1867 in Ballynacally, Co. Clare, > > Ireland.She married John Xavier from Harrigton, England.I wonder has > > anybody > > acces to English Records Census etc. > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > Larry. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I'm always grateful that it's not just me makes mistakes! -----Original Message----- From: Larry Brennan Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] O'REILLY Thanks and apologies to all with regard to this queries. On "mature reflection" as we say here in Ireland Kay is quiet correct. I had an actual relation of both Kay and I with me yesterday evening and we were reviewing the family link we he highlighted. Foolishly after leaving me I reviewed his notes that he had listed Anne married to John Xavier Harrington. I had presumed Harrington was a place. O.K. one slap on the wrist to me. Thanks to all for getting involved. I will be linking up with Kay direct with more information for her. Thanks,