the IGP would be a good place to start. They allow you to put all sort of records on there. contact Christina Finn Hunt who is the administrator of this list. she will advise you Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perplexed1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] 300 + Records of Clare people in Australia (mostly) > Hi > > I've been doing a little project of my own collating Clare people from > shipping lists on people's arrival in Australia where it indicated they > were from Clare. The record information varies. In the case of the ship > my Galvins from Clare arrived on in 1849, it includes details of their > parents names, whether they were alive or not at the time the ship > departed, where they were living (which doesn't work for me because I > think my Galvin's Gaelic accent must have been so strong the clerk made up > a name (Kileath) which doesn't exist as far as I can find in Clare). The > Galvin shipping information also recorded the the emigrant's religion, > whether they could read or write and their occupations. Other shipiing > records may not have this level of information. Some can then be linked > to further records e.g. bounty emigrant records sometimes with a good deal > of extra information. > > I have also being sourcing information from the National Library of > Australia newspaper digitisation project where I've looked primarily at > family notice sections of the newspapers for the phrase "late of Clare" so > I get births, deaths and marriages mainly but it also includes probate, > intestacy and insolvency notices. The time range of these records varies > from the early 1800s to the mid 1900s. > > The marriage notices may include the name of the father and possibly the > mother and very occasionally an address in Ireland. The death/funeral > notices will sometimes include the age of the person. Where this has > occurred I have a column with the possible year of birth of the person. > > I now have close to 300 names and thought I should make them available if > people are interested. They are currently on a couple of Excel > spreadsheets so I could sort them. > > The information can be used to follow up on church records, do further > searches of BDM records in Australia or provide details for probate or > insolvency records to be searched for further information. > > Can the administrators let me know whether they would be interested in > getting copies of this information to include on the various Rootsweb > information you manage. > > I am also doing this for Dublin and currently have a couple of hundred > records. I expect to do it for Cavan as well. > > Finally, sometimes there are occasionally reports of people who died > outside Australia but who had relatives in Clare and Australia. > > I will also be offering these to the Clare library as I have done some > keying for their records also. > > Anne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was asked about Irish church records this morning and there were lots of questions I couldn’t answer. In England there was a long time when the various penal laws operated rigidly; priests were hung drawn and quartered or burnt at the stake, there were lynchings, anti-Catholic riots, all that. Then they began to be less strictly enforced and so on till we got down to the Restoration of the Hierarchy in England in 1850. Although that had repercussions, with anti-Popery rhetoric inspiring rioting and deaths. And really you don’t get many Catholic churches before then, just an odd one. So the gentry had private chapels and the local Catholics would worship there, and there were travelling priests and so on. And records were a bit hit and miss. The parish I attended as a child has very good records, going back to the mid-1700s, although the church wasn’t built till 1851 – which is pretty early. But that was Lancashire and we pride ourselves on being Recusants [imprisoned or fined for non-attendance at the local C of E] – it was the worst county in England for it in Penal times. Anyway. I don’t know how Irish Catholics managed under the same circumstances and I would be very grateful if someone would explain to me. Thank you very much Margaret

I am most interested. My great grandfather's brother James Arthur left the US and went to Australia. The only information we have is that when his mother's will was probated in 1884 no one knew where he was in Australia. This man is indeed a mystery in a family full of stories and tales. Diane Arthur Kennedy Beannachtashy; na Féile Pádraig -----Original Message----- From: Perplexed1 <[email protected]> To: irl-clare-projects <[email protected]>; irl-clare <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 1:39 pm Subject: [IRL-CLARE] 300 + Records of Clare people in Australia (mostly) Hi I've been doing a little project of my own collating Clare people from shipping lists on people's arrival in Australia where it indicated they were from Clare. The record information varies. In the case of the ship my Galvins from Clare arrived on in 1849, it includes details of their parents names, whether they were alive or not at the time the ship departed, where they were living (which doesn't work for me because I think my Galvin's Gaelic accent must have been so strong the clerk made up a name (Kileath) which doesn't exist as far as I can find in Clare). The Galvin shipping information also recorded the the emigrant's religion, whether they could read or write and their occupations. Other shipiing records may not have this level of information. Some can then be linked to further records e.g. bounty emigrant records sometimes with a good deal of extra information. I have also being sourcing information from the National Library of Australia newspaper digitisation project where I've looked primarily at family notice sections of the newspapers for the phrase "late of Clare" so I get births, deaths and marriages mainly but it also includes probate, intestacy and insolvency notices. The time range of these records varies from the early 1800s to the mid 1900s. The marriage notices may include the name of the father and possibly the mother and very occasionally an address in Ireland. The death/funeral notices will sometimes include the age of the person. Where this has occurred I have a column with the possible year of birth of the person. I now have close to 300 names and thought I should make them available if people are interested. They are currently on a couple of Excel spreadsheets so I could sort them. The information can be used to follow up on church records, do further searches of BDM records in Australia or provide details for probate or insolvency records to be searched for further information. Can the administrators let me know whether they would be interested in getting copies of this information to include on the various Rootsweb information you manage. I am also doing this for Dublin and currently have a couple of hundred records. I expect to do it for Cavan as well. Finally, sometimes there are occasionally reports of people who died outside Australia but who had relatives in Clare and Australia. I will also be offering these to the Clare library as I have done some keying for their records also. Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina I posted a message to Clare projects instead of the Clare list. May I repost it to Clare? Regards Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Christina Finn Hunt Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:35 PM To: irl-clare ; irl-limerick Cc: [email protected] ; IRL-TIPPERARY Subject: [IRL-CLARE] (no subject) Happy St. Patrick's Day! I wanted those of you who are on Facebook to know that Ireland Genealogy Projects now has a Facebook page. Please come like us. Share links, photos, whatever you like. Enjoy your big day :) Christina

Here's a Wikipedia link that may help. Diane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland)

Oh certainly. Everyone is welcome to Like us and hopefully share thoughts and whatever. There is a Like button on the bottom of the Archives page: http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ Christina Search for Ireland Genealogy Projects on Facebook and please Like us! > Christina I posted a message to Clare projects instead of the Clare > list. > > May I repost it to Clare? > > Regards > > Margaret > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Finn Hunt > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:35 PM > To: irl-clare ; irl-limerick > Cc: [email protected] ; IRL-TIPPERARY > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] (no subject) > > Happy St. Patrick's Day! > I wanted those of you who are on Facebook to know that Ireland > Genealogy Projects now has a Facebook page. Please come like us. > Share links, photos, whatever you like. Enjoy your big day :) > Christina >

Margaret~       My family asks the same question, how did our family whose descendants still reside in Mayo and Wexford maintain their faith, keep the property they leased. buying it in the 1870s.  The Famine itself in Mayo.  I have a book, published by the Castlebar County Library about 5 yrs. ago which is newspaper articles of the Famine time.  In many of them, mentioning the names of families who died, the landlords who put people out with the names of the families.       Reading the story of the '98 Rebellion in Wexford, how was my husband;s family able to keep the homeplace which was a large holding pre '98 Rebellion?.         We have found many sacramental records back to 1803 for family in Wexford.  In Mayo, we have them back to 1820 and in County Waterford back to 1812.         There are churches in the Diocese of Tuam which go back way before 1850.  Not  large number but they are there.  However, pre 1800 takes a lot of research and as you say, certainly not complete or numerous.         My problem is County Clare.  Have one civil birth record from Ennis Town for 1864, but my ancestors from Smithstown, Lower Bunratty, one and in Ennis Town, Mill St. before that for sacramental records are no where to be found.  Once my g grandmother and her sister emigrated, they can be found in Civil Records in Australia and USA.  Perhaps someday. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ________________________________ From: Margaret Garthwaite <[email protected]> To: Clare List <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:02:00 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Irish Catholic church pre-1800 I was asked about Irish church records this morning and there were lots of questions I couldn’t answer. In England there was a long time when the various penal laws operated rigidly; priests were hung drawn and quartered or burnt at the stake, there were lynchings, anti-Catholic riots, all that. Then they began to be less strictly enforced and so on till we got down to the Restoration of the Hierarchy in England in 1850. Although that had repercussions, with anti-Popery rhetoric inspiring rioting and deaths. And really you don’t get many Catholic churches before then, just an odd one. So the gentry had private chapels and the local Catholics would worship there, and there were travelling priests and so on. And records were a bit hit and miss. The parish I attended as a child has very good records, going back to the mid-1700s, although the church wasn’t built till 1851 – which is pretty early. But that was Lancashire and we pride ourselves on being Recusants [imprisoned or fined for non-attendance at the local C of E] – it was the worst county in England for it in Penal times. Anyway. I don’t know how Irish Catholics managed under the same circumstances and I would be very grateful if someone would explain to me. Thank you very much Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy St. Patrick's Day! I wanted those of you who are on Facebook to know that Ireland Genealogy Projects now has a Facebook page. Please come like us. Share links, photos, whatever you like. Enjoy your big day :) Christina Search for Ireland Genealogy Projects on Facebook and please Like us!

Len, in NZ on small gravel roads [called metal roads] on a curve going uphill and not driving fast, one would find someone on the other side passing 4 cars or more and headed for you.  Nice people, terrible drivers.   In driving in the western US as a child with my dad driving and when I was driving, I was behind slow moving farm vehicles.  I found them a lot in Oregon where I was a lot.  Cattle guards meant free roaming cattle in the west.  There are deer roaming around.   Many years ago, I was driving around the Grand Canyon area in AZ.  A guy passed us far far faster than the speed limit.  Limit was low because of the extreme likelyhood of deer.  Well, far ahead of us, three deer came out of the ditch on the passanger side of the car.  Two made it, but not the third one.  That was illegal.  I passed him and "hurried" to a police style location and tattled.  So, his car was severely damaged, and he had illegally killed a deer.  That creep could have killed us with his illegal speed.   What you said is no big deal to me.  I know about delays.  We in the cities and on freeways end up stalled for hours behind just traffic jams or behind terrible accidents.  And I am not a speed demon.  But thanks for the reminders as I take the basic time and distance and add problems.   Alanna --- On Wed, 3/9/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:   In Ireland, where you will be driving on the left side of the road, you  also can expect to find a herd of cows, goats, etc. in the middle of the  roads.  You must stop to let them go around you.  Also you may well  find yourself behind a tractor for miles.  Hope I'm not sounding  too pessimistic!  Len   

I'm new to the list and looking for GRAHAMs. My ggg-grandfather, Jesse Graham (c1760-c1807) came to the US ca. 1770's. The earliest known place of residence is Charles Town, Virginia, now West Virginia. The family then moved to Fincastle, Botetourt Co., VA. After 1801 they moved to Crab Orchard, Kentucky. His father's name was possibly James. Thomas Beall

Sheila, Michael Carmody may be related to my husband's family--his grandfather's brother. I've found him on the 1901 census, and have a letter to one of his daughters telling her that he died, but the postmark is torn off, so I don't knw the date. Maybe after April 1911? Thanks! Christine, IBSSG Sure, a real job would be nice, but it would interfere with my genealogy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Collins" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 3:54:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Ennis the city and Leader the family Pat < I found a Carmody family in the 1911 census for Ennis - sending you the link http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001752556/ Regards Sheila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Pat Sent: 09 March 2011 4:55 To: CLARE IRL IRL; irl-cork Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Ennis the city and Leader the family My family ancestors supposedly originated in Clare. The CARMODY family.Whereabouts is unknown after 40 years of searching still. I finally made it to Clare in May 2002, and was able to take a couple of pictures of Carmody St. A main road as you come into the city of Ennis, just to prove I had made it finally after years of dreaming about making a trip to Ireland. I had heard that there was a Carmody bar/pub there and wanted to stop but unfortunatly it was taken over by another business by the time of my visit, and lost my chance. I will continue looking for a connection tho I keep hitting brick wasll as my Carmody;s moved to Cork,, Kilbrin area, then to England for work in late 1850's due to the famine. And, unfortunatly, I didn't get to spend much time there as the city was crowded,lots of traffic and little parking. I had to go to Kilrush to find a place to stay over night.The weather turned cold over night and very foggy so little to see there except the sea, I never did find a Carmody family there either tho I had been told many lived in the area. Maybe someday I will be able to do the trip again. As to the Leader family, in writing to names I had in family via the Irish phone book, I tried to find a Mulcahy family in Cork, in the Kanturk area, the letter passed thru from one family member to another before I finally received an answer about 2-3 years later from a Dr. Leader in Boherbue. He had just retired, and his son has taken over the practice.Dr leader was a help to me by getting the priest to find my grandmothers baptismal certificate info and copy, when previously told not available but was able to get her siblings. I had 2 enjoyable visits with Dr Leader as he showed me around Boherbue and Kanturk where my Mulcahy family had lived back in 1850-80 time period. he said his Mother was probably a cousin to my Mulcahy grandmother, which made me feel even more welcome and enjoy the trip. On my 2nd tri[ over, I called to find Dr Leader not in good health and was unable to see him and found out he died not long after, but I wil not forget his kindness to me and the ! visiting the area. Many Leaders all over this area, so good luck finding a match to those looking..try putting the name in google with Kanturk Cork you may find a lot of info going back to the 1600s. The only Carmody I found turned out to be a Carmody,, police Gardai, near Kanturk, ( he was from Kerry) when I went to the police station and left a message that I had hoped would get me some family info but alas, we could not make a match. I did enjoy both my visits with him and his wife on both visits and figure somewhere along the line we are lpng distance cousins. Good luck to you all! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Ennis RC Baptisms include an Ellon (Ellen) LEADEN, daughter of Martin LEADEN and Mary MOLONY on November 24, 1841. Do this family link to the family tree of anyone on the list? It seems possible that Martin LEADEN may have been the same person as the Martin LEADER I am searching for. If you know anything about the family which might help me link them, or alternatively exclude him from consideration, then I would be grateful for any snippets of information you may be able to provide. Regards Robert SLATER South Australia

My Mulcahy line came to USA in 1880's, possibly leaving a sibling, Margaret b,1860 In Kanturk area . Have never found anything more about her than birth/baptism. Her siblings Denis and Nora married in NYC, and went on to have 11 children each. Denis moved to Ca. by 1890, while Nora stayed in New York City and married my grandfather, John CARMODY. As far as what is known of my Carmody family, they were in Kanturk-Kilbrin area from at least 1820's and then moved to London area in 1850's.Only my grandfather made it to the USA, in 1888, his brothers remained bachelors, only his sister married but the descendents not interested in info, and say they know nothing of the Carmody family and never did.

In a message dated 3/9/2011 8:15:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: One could have the car going at say 30 mph and then have to slow down to 20 to go around a curve. ... In Ireland, where you will be driving on the left side of the road, you also can expect to find a herd of cows, goats, etc. in the middle of the roads. You must stop to let them go around you. Also you may well find yourself behind a tractor for miles. Hope I'm not sounding too pessimistic! Len

Pat < I found a Carmody family in the 1911 census for Ennis - sending you the link http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001752556/ Regards Sheila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Pat Sent: 09 March 2011 4:55 To: CLARE IRL IRL; irl-cork Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Ennis the city and Leader the family My family ancestors supposedly originated in Clare. The CARMODY family.Whereabouts is unknown after 40 years of searching still. I finally made it to Clare in May 2002, and was able to take a couple of pictures of Carmody St. A main road as you come into the city of Ennis, just to prove I had made it finally after years of dreaming about making a trip to Ireland. I had heard that there was a Carmody bar/pub there and wanted to stop but unfortunatly it was taken over by another business by the time of my visit, and lost my chance. I will continue looking for a connection tho I keep hitting brick wasll as my Carmody;s moved to Cork,, Kilbrin area, then to England for work in late 1850's due to the famine. And, unfortunatly, I didn't get to spend much time there as the city was crowded,lots of traffic and little parking. I had to go to Kilrush to find a place to stay over night.The weather turned cold over night and very foggy so little to see there except the sea, I never did find a Carmody family there either tho I had been told many lived in the area. Maybe someday I will be able to do the trip again. As to the Leader family, in writing to names I had in family via the Irish phone book, I tried to find a Mulcahy family in Cork, in the Kanturk area, the letter passed thru from one family member to another before I finally received an answer about 2-3 years later from a Dr. Leader in Boherbue. He had just retired, and his son has taken over the practice.Dr leader was a help to me by getting the priest to find my grandmothers baptismal certificate info and copy, when previously told not available but was able to get her siblings. I had 2 enjoyable visits with Dr Leader as he showed me around Boherbue and Kanturk where my Mulcahy family had lived back in 1850-80 time period. he said his Mother was probably a cousin to my Mulcahy grandmother, which made me feel even more welcome and enjoy the trip. On my 2nd tri[ over, I called to find Dr Leader not in good health and was unable to see him and found out he died not long after, but I wil not forget his kindness to me and the ! visiting the area. Many Leaders all over this area, so good luck finding a match to those looking..try putting the name in google with Kanturk Cork you may find a lot of info going back to the 1600s. The only Carmody I found turned out to be a Carmody,, police Gardai, near Kanturk, ( he was from Kerry) when I went to the police station and left a message that I had hoped would get me some family info but alas, we could not make a match. I did enjoy both my visits with him and his wife on both visits and figure somewhere along the line we are lpng distance cousins. Good luck to you all! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a death certificate for a Delia (Roche) King born in County Clare abt 1867 and died in Chicago Illinois Oct 6, 1947. Parents are listed as Michael Roche of Blare Ireland and Ellen Kane of Clare Ireland. She was the widow of John King and the informant was William King of Chicago. This is not the Delia King I was looking for but thought someone else might need it. I'd be happy to send a scan to anyone who needs the info. Sandy

Pat, you are sooo right.  I took my mother back to where she was born and raised.  Unfortunately, I did not know then what I now know about her family in that area and in another one which we did not know about then.   I rented a small car and we drove through the back woods area.  One could have the car going at say 30 mph and then have to slow down to 20 to go around a curve.  The car did not acculerate very well at all and I am Not a fast driver.  What I am thinking about is that we were way far away from a restruant that we really liked.  We both suddenly decided that we wanted dinner there again.  I had to get us back there as quickly and safely as possible.  With those roads and the car it was not easy.  We made it in time.   I have done oh so many miles of back roads in western United States and on roads not meant for a car.  It would take me And You all day and all night to list part of the absolutely beautiful roads I have driven.   Since I have an idea of the roads, if I ask how long, I can then do an estimation of time I'd actually be doing.   Pat you are bringing to my mind all the beautiful roads I have driven on and so enjoyed.  I have driven over my lifetime and with my cars and rental cars about 1 million miles.   Alanna --- On Wed, 3/9/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] traveling in Ireland To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:10 AM Subject: traveling in Ireland    Always remember when traveling in Ireland, there are no straight roads in Ireland! On a map the towns and cities look close, but the twists and turns along the roads make the trip longer. Those beautiful meandering roads take you to places you could never imagine, and will never forget. You can take the motorways, but you miss all the fun and beauty of traveling the country roads.  Pat D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: traveling in Ireland    Always remember when traveling in Ireland, there are no straight roads in Ireland! On a map the towns and cities look close, but the twists and turns along the roads make the trip longer. Those beautiful meandering roads take you to places you could never imagine, and will never forget. You can take the motorways, but you miss all the fun and beauty of traveling the country roads.  Pat D

I am sorry Len, but this is where I found the Lack school children, but not what I am looking for.   I am looking for b, m, d records.  Maybe someone will transcribe them one day if it has not been done yet.   Alanna --- On Wed, 3/9/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: Here is the link-: _http://www.Clarelibrary.ie_ (http://www.Clarelibrary.ie)    Len

In a message dated 3/8/2011 9:38:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >>>I was thinking you could get all the church records surviving in Clare from the County Library on-line<<< How could I get to this area of the site?? Here is the link-: _http://www.Clarelibrary.ie_ (http://www.Clarelibrary.ie) Len