Wow, Margaret, thanks so much for this link! Diane

Oh, Pete, you have given the List so much good information over the years.  I wondered if you were still on the list.  Thank you for all you have done for the Researchers.  My Townlands are far too small to be located any place.   To help you out ~~  do try looking at www.abebooks.  Many bookstores list books on this company's site.  I have received wonderful service from these stores over the years.  In one case I asked to return a book as the USA county was correct but not the State.  They were so nice and took it back.  With your book so old the stores may not have it, but maybe there is a copy of it there.  But it is a USA site.   Glad you are still here with all your books and your knowledge and now all this work!!!  Glad I did not have to do it and I have done copying of old old books also [USA].  Thanks again.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:   I have recently received - via Interlibrary loan - the 3-volume set of William Shaw Mason's "Statistical account, or Parochial survey of Ireland", published between 1814 and 1819 by different publishers in Dublin.  The OCLC number is 316363313.  I have now copied the books (over 2200 pages !!!) and returned the originals......and am now in the process of re-binding the copies. The author was Secretary to the Board of Public Records.  Although the author and most of his sources were Church of Ireland (perhaps still C of E at that time ???), the content doesn't seem show any bias in favor of the Established Church - in fact, what I have read so far seems quite sympathetic to the general RC population. The volumes contain information on 79 Parishes/Unions of the Established Church, 18 of which are in the Northern six-counties.  They do not represent anything like totality of coverage of Ireland, and what parishes/unions are described don't seem to follow any pattern.  For example, there are 10 Co. Cork parishes, but not a single entry for Kerry.  Some parishes receive only 6 or 7 pages while most of them are 15 or so pages.  Some parishes have townland maps, most from the Down Survey, and nearly all have individual townland information, such as acreages, proprietors, translations of townland name, etc.  I would guess that the townland information could be helpful, as this data is from a period prior to the start of the Ordnance Survey.....and a decade before Griffith's Boundary Department started "operating" on the townlands and parishes and redefining (in some cases) the boundaries, etc. Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and division, climate and topographical description. II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial appearance of the parish. IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and instances of longevity. VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, manners and customs, &c. VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical documents relating to Ireland. VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial funds and records, &c. IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and markets, &c. X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation of the people. APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line.  Google Books seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd.  But perhaps it's because of my slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for broadband access.  However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - it might be worthwhile to check it out.  For me, I'll choose a printed book any day.........especially the old ones.  The two-hundred-year-old smell is fabulous.  Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the parts of that particular county described in the books.  Although I no longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the Rev. James Kenny in 1775.  This parish was "episcopally united to the vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh [Killilagh] and Kilmoon".  There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder of the section has a lot of information and history included.  In Volume 2, there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]".  A quite complete dissertation of the status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements to Kilrush harbor. Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Margaret, there are so many new pieces of information opening up.  I did know that my father worked on board ships before he met my mother.  Suddenly, a manifast showed up on ancestry.com that showed him as an employee.  Nothing that I would ever need, but it was my father's name!!   The only time I ever "acted up" was when some snotnosed kid dared to make fun of my father!  I let the whole 64 student class and the nun understand I in a loud voice would not allow that creep to talk about my father.  Little quiet reserve me could speak up.  I knew some things about his mother and all I did was to let everyone know about it.  Then I went back to being little ladylike pleasant me.  I can talk about my father, but not creeps.   I am NO professional, am just a little lady whose researching ability comes from my mother's paternal side with a bit from her mother.  I Always try to encourage newbies or people who do not know how to start the research. Now back to quietly researching Clare and the USA and again no longer doing Tasmania,  Have to remember I am a non-professional and therefore I have to remember not to ask stupid questions.   Alanna  --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 2:24 PM Peter, they are easy to follow and have great info like ( died at sea ) or ( died on voyage ) this is an excellent resourse Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online > >    These images are the background papers from which the online indexes > were derived. They were previously available at NSW State Archive and > elsewhere on microfilm. NSW State Archives started the imaging project > about > 2 years ago, and now most are online. > >    As Port Jackson (Sydney) was the centre of administration from 1788 > until about 1851 when other states started to emerge, many of the early > immigrations to Port Phillip (Melbourne) or Moreton Bay (Brisbane) can be > found in NSW records. > >    Similar papers should exist for online indexes for other states after > 1851, but these will be at the relative state archives, not NSW. I know > Victorian shipping papers are available, but haven't seen them personally. > South Australia shipping may be a problem, as a lot of their records were > destroyed in a flood. > >    Peter in Sydney > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A repeat of the subject tiitle ~~ Thank you Larry for ALWAYS being so nice!!!!!!!!!!!   Does Declan still have his place in Ennis?  Is he still on this list???  He too has always been so nice.  I had a scrap of information about my gg grandfather and he gave me some excellent information.   So, thanks to him also.   I have been able to piece together the scraps of information thanks to people like Larry and Declan!!!  Thanks again for your kindnessES!!!    Alanna  

Sorry!   I assumed, but I could have been wrong.  I really had given up a long long time ago about finding any connections.  With my mother's people, I was told far too many times that I'd ever find anything about her kin.  By keeping working on it -- 4 scraps if info -- I found a connection, a 3X relative, who took me back to 1515 with the arrival of kin into Virginia.  Because of one tinny tiny memory -- my mother telling that her grandmother was not wanted to stay in a relatives' home but for her small pension.  Why a pension?  Followed it back and found a whole slew [Irish] word and lines of lineage.  Missouri and NC prior to 1865 are terrible places to research.   I will not ask again about Australia, as I made such a terrible mistake. + tears.   I did NOT ask for your or anyone's help.  I only asked a simple question.  And here in school we do not learn about the division of your country and I only know a bit or care a bit about Tasmania.   BTW, I personally drove 4K in NZ and hoped one day to visit Tasmania.  The people there were so nice.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Peter R Booth <[email protected]> wrote: Alanna,     If you read the instructions, how can you be under the false impression that the list covers all of Australia?     It covers Assisted or Bounty immigrants to NSW with some early arrivals in Port Phillip.     This does not include convict or unassisted immigrants or any who came as ships crew or military, some of whom will be on separate indexes for which papers have not been digitised.     If you have a specific question, please ask it. But we cannot do anything with families that may not exist, a father that did not always tell the truth, no surname and only a guess. It's just wasting our time. Peter

Yes, I read that but that did not answer my question.  I do not really want to spend a lot of time on family that may not exist.  My father did not always tell the truth, sad to say.  Have no idea of the surname, can only guess.  So, it is better that I work on something else.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: From: Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 1:44 PM 'Online' microfilm of shipping lists This is part of a pilot project to digitise the following passenger lists: the microfilm copies of the Persons on bounty ships (Agent's Immigrant Lists), 1838-96 (NRS 5316); Persons on bounty ships arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 (NRS 5318); Germans on bounty ships, 1849-52 (NRS 5320); Members of the Family Colonization Loan Society, 1854-57 (NRS 5322) and Passenger lists of the Family Colonization Loan Society, 1854-55 (NRS 5323). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online Hi Margaret, I am under the impression that this list covers all of Australia. If people were on a convicts' list or even other lists, would those going to Tasmania be on these lists? Thank you for your help. Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]t> wrote: Hi list I just found this link on other list, and thought it might be useful for anyone looking for ancestors going to Australia between 1838 -1896. It's a Pilot and its free http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret,   I am under the impression that this list covers all of Australia.  If people were on a convicts' list or even other lists, would those going to Tasmania be on these lists?   Thank you for your help.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: Hi list I just found this link on other list, and thought it might be useful for anyone looking for ancestors going to Australia between 1838 -1896. It's a Pilot and its free http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships Margaret

I thought this may be of interest to some, as it mentions so many names from Ireland, Australia and Germany. It was published in the Brisbane paper as well as Sydney.. Chris Announcement: Sister Marnie Kennedy Location: Brisbane, QLD Description: RSCJ 2 December 1927 - 16 March 2011 MARNIES long and difficult journey finally came to a close in the early hours of Wednesday, when she died peacefully at the Sacred Heart Hospice in Darlinghurst. Dearly loved Religious of the Society of the Sacred Heart, professed in Rome on February 11, 1956. Treasured Daughter of Peg and Jack Kennedy of Marrickville and beloved Sister and Sister-in-law of John and Kath, Ted and Celie (all deceased), much loved Aunt to Margie and John, John and Virginia, Mark and Carolyn, Peter and Megan and wonderful Great- Aunt to their Children: Liz, Sarah, Jonathan, Martha (in heaven), Greta, Declan, Marcus, Nicholas, Olivia, Sian, Seamus and Brendan. Much loved Cousin of Jenny Laffan and Lis Gerrard and their Families, her Casey Family Cousins in Ireland and Germany and all the Cousins of the OBrien Family diaspora. Greatly loved by her very many dear Friends. MARNIES lifes work spanned roles of educator, counsellor, activist, spiritual leader and defender of the rights of the dispossessed and marginalised. Following her devoted work as teacher and administrator in Sacred Heart schools, she became involved with the Jesuit retreat team and regarded her experiences in the "Street Retreats" in inner city areas as among the most fulfilling and humbling of her life. She worked for many years with her Brother, the late Father Ted Kennedy, in the Parish of St. Vincents Redfern and was much loved as a good friend of the Aboriginal people. Gentle Warrior for Social Justice Sincere gratitude to the many who loved and cared for Marnie during her illness and for the wonderful medical care from Dr. John Kennedy, Dr. Chris Hughes, Dr. Steven Cooper, Dr. Cory Lau and the Canterbury Palliative Care Team and Dr. Philip Redelman and staff of Ward 4 North at the Hospice. On Monday (March 21, 2011) a Farewell Ceremony will be held at St. Vincent de Paul Church, Redfern Street, Redfern, at 8.30 a.m. followed by Concelebrated Mass of Christian Burial, to be offered at St. Brigids Church, Marrickville Road, Marrickville, commencing at 11 a.m. Following the Mass, light refreshments will be served and Funeral will leave the Church at 1:30 p.m. for her Burial at the Community Cemetery, Rose Bay. Category:

Doreen, I'm a bit surprised that despite your "costly" enquiry, you don't seem to have an exact birthdate for Ann, and are working on a series of derived dates based on stated age for marriage or details provided buy others from her death certificate. Not that it's a huge problem, but I would expect that to be the first thing they told you. I had a look at Victorian Assisted and Unassisted Immigration Indexes, but there is no obvious arrival. There was an Ann Arthur in 1859 who gave age as 22. It perhaps fits arrival at 14. I also looked at all females under 25 with the Arthur surname. There is a Norah in 1867 age 22. Perhaps Ann was a derivative name. If she truly came at 14, one would expect one of the Orphan Schemes. But if orphaned, it's likely sibling would also be included. Do you know when parents died? Having said all that, I guess a specific arrival date is rather irrelevant, as you know her origins and parents and where she lived and died here. I only mention paid research to establish my credentials. I'm mainly about helping and encouraging people to do their own research. It's much more fun. Peter

Hello Peter, Thanks for your response, and also for starting a new thread for ARTHUR. I have Ann's birthplace and her parents from her marriage certificate. (Williamstown, Vic 1867. Aged 22). A costly enquiry to the Clare Heritage Centre in 1985 confirmed parents and provided the siblings. Other than that I have nothing, despite constant visits to immigration lists. All elderly relatives, now deceased, knew nothing of her arrival and/or family, and said that she did not speak of Ireland at all. I have even tried to trace names of her known Irish friends. All to no avail. Ann, like Diane's James, is a mystery. Her obituary stated that she arrived at the age of 14, (which leaves a fairly wide window to search for her). My most recent search was about a week ago. Will look again today in case I have missed something. Summary of estimated DOB and of possible arrival Source Year Age Poss.D.O.B. Poss.Arrival Marriage Cert. 1867 22 c.1845 c.1859 (Obit) or c.1865 (D.Cert) Death Cert. 1921 79 c.1842 c.1856 (Obit) or c.1862 (D.Cert) Obituary 1921 79 c.1842 c.1856 (Obit) or c.1862 (D.Cert) (Contributor unknown.) Death 1921 79 59 yrs in Vic. No mention of elsewhere Married at 25 yrs (Informant:son-in-law)/youngest daughter. Est.arrival = c.1862 Therefore arrival could be anytime between 1856 - 1865, depending which source is used. In summing up, I realise that I have not seen the birth certificate of her first child, Bridget, born in Lancefield, Vic in 1869. That may provide another clue as to Ann's true age and D.O.B. and will now be my next move. Sorry this is so long. Thanks for your interest and advice. When I get desperate enough I may look to you on a professional basis! ;-) Doreen Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] ARTHUR surname - Co CLARE to AUSTRALIA > Doreen, > > We were kidnapping the thread so I started a new one for the ARTHUR > surname. > Snip > . I'm a bit surprised you have all Ann's parents and siblings but > can't find her arrival. > > Have you looked recently? There is new data being added all the time. > Snip> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sorry, but I do not go to that site or ones like it.  I do not trust them and do not have time for them.   Alanna --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CLARE] (no subject) To: "irl-clare" <[email protected]>, "irl-limerick" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], "IRL-TIPPERARY" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 6:35 AM Happy St. Patrick's Day! I wanted those of you who are on Facebook to know that Ireland Genealogy Projects now has a Facebook page. Please come like us. Share links, photos, whatever you like. Enjoy your big day :) Christina Search for Ireland Genealogy Projects on Facebook and please Like us! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, Does this fit your James Arthur? ARTHUR J Mr Florida P 21 Dec 1852 San Francisco, Honolulu 1279 & Wallace Isl in SMH He arrives alone via "Florida" in 1852 from San Francisco. Unfortunately, it doesn't have his age. Peter

Doreen, We were kidnapping the thread so I started a new one for the ARTHUR surname. I teach courses in family history as well as do the occasional paid research. I'm a bit surprised you have all Ann's parents and siblings but can't find her arrival. Have you looked recently? There is new data being added all the time. NSW has imaged all assisted immigrants and Ancestry too has added many Australian Immigration records to their database. I presume you know when and where she married. These will provide vital clues as to where to start the search. Peter in Sydney

Hello, I am also interested, and also in reference to James ARTHUR. My great-great grandfather was John ARTHUR, dob etc unknown. His daughter, Ann ARTHUR, came to Australia (circa 1853/58) but entry into country unable to be traced. She was born to John ARTHUR and Bridget CONOLE in Spancil Hill, Co. Clare. c.1839/44. Siblings Tom, b.1837 (Sponsors Pat HOGAN and Mary ARTHUR); ? UNNAMED CHILD, b.1839 (Sponsors John HALLINAN and Joney HASSETT); Mary b.1844 (Sponsors Pat LISTON and Kate HASSETT) Only vague details from Clare Heritage Centre. Always looking for possible connections. I don't see reference to this name very often so clutch at any straw. Doreen Dunlop, Melbourne, Australia. *************** Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] 300 + Records of Clare people in Australia (mostly) >I am most interested. My great grandfather's brother James Arthur left the >US and went to Australia. snip> when his mother's will was probated in 1884 no one knew where he was in Australia. >This man is indeed a mystery ... > Diane Arthur Kennedy > Beannachtashy; na Féile Pádraig *************** > > > Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 1:39 pm > Subject: [IRL-CLARE] 300 + Records of Clare people in Australia (mostly) > > > Hi > > I've been doing a little project of my own collating Clare people from > shipping > lists on people's arrival in Australia where it indicated they were from > Clare. > I will also be offering these to the Clare library as I have done some > keying > for their records also. > > Anne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message

Diane, If he came via USA, I'm not sure if he'd show up as an immigrant from Clare. Perhaps it might be in some secondary record. But more importantly, what steps have you taken to try to find him in Australia?. It shouldn't be too hard. For example there are 48 possible deaths for James Arthur in NSW. So we need age and parent names. Of course, he could have gone to one of the other five states. If you go to www.coraweb.com.au you will find an abundance of Australian websites covering all topics from BMD to Immigration. But remember you have to look state by state. If you have an Ancestry world subscription, they have created databases that try to combine all Australian BDM and Immigration records into single searches. It's not perfect, but it may give some clues. Then you can go back to the original state records for more detail. Peter in Sydney

Hi I've been doing a little project of my own collating Clare people from shipping lists on people's arrival in Australia where it indicated they were from Clare. The record information varies. In the case of the ship my Galvins from Clare arrived on in 1849, it includes details of their parents names, whether they were alive or not at the time the ship departed, where they were living (which doesn't work for me because I think my Galvin's Gaelic accent must have been so strong the clerk made up a name (Kileath) which doesn't exist as far as I can find in Clare). The Galvin shipping information also recorded the the emigrant's religion, whether they could read or write and their occupations. Other shipiing records may not have this level of information. Some can then be linked to further records e.g. bounty emigrant records sometimes with a good deal of extra information. I have also being sourcing information from the National Library of Australia newspaper digitisation project where I've looked primarily at family notice sections of the newspapers for the phrase "late of Clare" so I get births, deaths and marriages mainly but it also includes probate, intestacy and insolvency notices. The time range of these records varies from the early 1800s to the mid 1900s. The marriage notices may include the name of the father and possibly the mother and very occasionally an address in Ireland. The death/funeral notices will sometimes include the age of the person. Where this has occurred I have a column with the possible year of birth of the person. I now have close to 300 names and thought I should make them available if people are interested. They are currently on a couple of Excel spreadsheets so I could sort them. The information can be used to follow up on church records, do further searches of BDM records in Australia or provide details for probate or insolvency records to be searched for further information. Can the administrators let me know whether they would be interested in getting copies of this information to include on the various Rootsweb information you manage. I am also doing this for Dublin and currently have a couple of hundred records. I expect to do it for Cavan as well. Finally, sometimes there are occasionally reports of people who died outside Australia but who had relatives in Clare and Australia. I will also be offering these to the Clare library as I have done some keying for their records also. Anne

Sorry my response was abruptly cut off.  My little grandson hit the "send" key  :-( .......as a 16 yr. old from County Clare.  Have no idea of the history of this ARTHUR family, have tried but can' t seem to turn anyting up.  Could this be a connection to your ancestors??  The timeline is about 1856 to 1862. The close proximity of Clare & Limerick might be a clue to look in both counties. Mary Ellen Chambers ________________________________ From: Mary Ellen Chambers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 8:09:40 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] ARTHUR surname - Co CLARE to AUSTRALIA Doreen~        This might be an other avenue to investigate   Just down the road from Bunratty is Limerick City County Limerick Ireland.  Very near the Irish Tourist Board Shop/Office is a Quay, known as Arthur's Quay.  I was researching my g grandparents in Limerick City a few years ago  My g grandmother worked as a servant for an Arthur family on Francis Street which runs into Arthur's Quay  A short walk up Francis Street and over a block or two is St. Michael's Catolic Church  This is where she worshipped as a 

Doreen~        This might be an other avenue to investigate   Just down the road from Bunratty is Limerick City County Limerick Ireland.  Very near the Irish Tourist Board Shop/Office is a Quay, known as Arthur's Quay.  I was researching my g grandparents in Limerick City a few years ago  My g grandmother worked as a servant for an Arthur family on Francis Street which runs into Arthur's Quay  A short walk up Francis Street and over a block or two is St. Michael's Catolic Church  This is where she worshipped as a ________________________________ From: Peter R Booth <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:01:09 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] ARTHUR surname - Co CLARE to AUSTRALIA Doreen,     We were kidnapping the thread so I started a new one for the ARTHUR surname.     I teach courses in family history as well as do the occasional paid research. I'm a bit surprised you have all Ann's parents and siblings but can't find her arrival.     Have you looked recently? There is new data being added all the time. NSW has imaged all assisted immigrants and Ancestry too has added many Australian Immigration records to their database.     I presume you know when and where she married. These will provide vital clues as to where to start the search.     Peter in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Diane, that gives a good overview of the subject Regards Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Irish Catholic church pre-1800 Here's a Wikipedia link that may help. Diane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank, these are exactly the sort of questions I have Regards Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ellen Chambers Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Irish Catholic church pre-1800 Margaret~ My family asks the same question, how did our family whose descendants still reside in Mayo and Wexford maintain their faith, keep the property they leased. buying it in the 1870s. The Famine itself in Mayo. I have a book, published by the Castlebar County Library about 5 yrs. ago which is newspaper articles of the Famine time. In many of them, mentioning the names of families who died, the landlords who put people out with the names of the families.