Hi Teri, I am looking at the Ejectment Books for County Clare at the moment. I found a Timothy Rourke, Mill Street, Town of Ennis in 1825. I don't know if this is any help! Nicola > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:04:36 -0600 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] An interesting set of books > > > Pete > > Some of the areas you listed are of possible interest to me. Though the information they contain may not help. > My family has been working on the O'Rourkes from Liscasey- Cross Beg. I think a few were in the Kilkee area. > We can not get past the 1817 birth year of the of the father Thomas location unknown. I have to ask if you came across any information that might have included this family. There are other O'Rourkes in the north and west of Clare it might be nice to tie them into the family. O'Rourke - Rourke- Rourk - somtimes put into Bourke > Connected to Meehan- - Dillon -Green- Pindar - Scanlon- Connors- and others in the area. > Thanks for any help you can give. I understand the documents you are working with do not probably give general family information, but just wondered if there was any mention of the families in the areas. > thanks > Teri > > > > > > > > > Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: > > > > "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, > > > > According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. > > > > > > I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and > > division, climate and topographical description. > > > > II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. > > > > III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, > > gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial > > appearance of the parish. > > > > IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and > > inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. > > > > V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general > > appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and > > instances of longevity. > > > > VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, > > manners and customs, &c. > > > > VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of > > learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical > > documents relating to Ireland. > > > > VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial > > funds and records, &c. > > > > IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief > > proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and > > markets, &c. > > > > X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. > > > > XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. > > > > XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation > > of the people. > > > > APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the > > stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." > > > > > > As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into > > e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line. Google Books > > seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd. But perhaps it's because of my > > slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for > > broadband access. However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - > > it might be worthwhile to check it out. For me, I'll choose a printed book > > any day.........especially the old ones. The two-hundred-year-old smell is > > fabulous. Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. > > > > I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county > > mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the > > parts of that particular county described in the books. Although I no > > longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions > > that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). > > > > Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the > > Rev. James Kenny in 1775. This parish was "episcopally united to the > > vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh > > [Killilagh] and Kilmoon". There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" > > tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder > > of the section has a lot of information and history included. In Volume 2, > > there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the > > parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], > > and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]". A quite complete dissertation of the > > status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements > > to Kilrush harbor. > > > > > > Pete > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > </HTML> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great find, Pete! None of my ancestral parishes profiled, but enough nearby ones to give a good idea of my ancestors' lives two hundred years ago. Diane

Nicola Thanks you never know when something will help down the road. So I will keep it on a list of things to check on. So far not to many Timothys in my family line. Ennis is not that far from Lis Casey so there were probably a few there. Thanks again Teri > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:58:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] An interesting set of books > > > Hi Teri, > I am looking at the Ejectment Books for County Clare at the moment. I found a Timothy Rourke, Mill Street, Town of Ennis in 1825. > I don't know if this is any help! > Nicola > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:04:36 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] An interesting set of books > > > > > > Pete > > > > Some of the areas you listed are of possible interest to me. Though the information they contain may not help. > > My family has been working on the O'Rourkes from Liscasey- Cross Beg. I think a few were in the Kilkee area. > > We can not get past the 1817 birth year of the of the father Thomas location unknown. I have to ask if you came across any information that might have included this family. There are other O'Rourkes in the north and west of Clare it might be nice to tie them into the family. O'Rourke - Rourke- Rourk - somtimes put into Bourke > > Connected to Meehan- - Dillon -Green- Pindar - Scanlon- Connors- and others in the area. > > Thanks for any help you can give. I understand the documents you are working with do not probably give general family information, but just wondered if there was any mention of the families in the areas. > > thanks > > Teri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: > > > > > > "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, > > > > > > According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. > > > > > > > > > I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and > > > division, climate and topographical description. > > > > > > II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. > > > > > > III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, > > > gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial > > > appearance of the parish. > > > > > > IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and > > > inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. > > > > > > V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general > > > appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and > > > instances of longevity. > > > > > > VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, > > > manners and customs, &c. > > > > > > VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of > > > learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical > > > documents relating to Ireland. > > > > > > VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial > > > funds and records, &c. > > > > > > IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief > > > proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and > > > markets, &c. > > > > > > X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. > > > > > > XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. > > > > > > XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation > > > of the people. > > > > > > APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the > > > stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." > > > > > > > > > As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into > > > e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line. Google Books > > > seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd. But perhaps it's because of my > > > slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for > > > broadband access. However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - > > > it might be worthwhile to check it out. For me, I'll choose a printed book > > > any day.........especially the old ones. The two-hundred-year-old smell is > > > fabulous. Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. > > > > > > I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county > > > mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the > > > parts of that particular county described in the books. Although I no > > > longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions > > > that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). > > > > > > Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the > > > Rev. James Kenny in 1775. This parish was "episcopally united to the > > > vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh > > > [Killilagh] and Kilmoon". There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" > > > tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder > > > of the section has a lot of information and history included. In Volume 2, > > > there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the > > > parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], > > > and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]". A quite complete dissertation of the > > > status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements > > > to Kilrush harbor. > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > </HTML> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pete Some of the areas you listed are of possible interest to me. Though the information they contain may not help. My family has been working on the O'Rourkes from Liscasey- Cross Beg. I think a few were in the Kilkee area. We can not get past the 1817 birth year of the of the father Thomas location unknown. I have to ask if you came across any information that might have included this family. There are other O'Rourkes in the north and west of Clare it might be nice to tie them into the family. O'Rourke - Rourke- Rourk - somtimes put into Bourke Connected to Meehan- - Dillon -Green- Pindar - Scanlon- Connors- and others in the area. Thanks for any help you can give. I understand the documents you are working with do not probably give general family information, but just wondered if there was any mention of the families in the areas. thanks Teri > Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: > > "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, > > According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. > > > I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and > division, climate and topographical description. > > II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. > > III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, > gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial > appearance of the parish. > > IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and > inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. > > V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general > appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and > instances of longevity. > > VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, > manners and customs, &c. > > VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of > learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical > documents relating to Ireland. > > VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial > funds and records, &c. > > IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief > proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and > markets, &c. > > X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. > > XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. > > XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation > of the people. > > APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the > stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." > > > As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into > e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line. Google Books > seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd. But perhaps it's because of my > slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for > broadband access. However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - > it might be worthwhile to check it out. For me, I'll choose a printed book > any day.........especially the old ones. The two-hundred-year-old smell is > fabulous. Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. > > I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county > mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the > parts of that particular county described in the books. Although I no > longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions > that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). > > Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the > Rev. James Kenny in 1775. This parish was "episcopally united to the > vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh > [Killilagh] and Kilmoon". There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" > tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder > of the section has a lot of information and history included. In Volume 2, > there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the > parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], > and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]". A quite complete dissertation of the > status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements > to Kilrush harbor. > > > Pete > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alanna, If you read the instructions, how can you be under the false impression that the list covers all of Australia? It covers Assisted or Bounty immigrants to NSW with some early arrivals in Port Phillip. This does not include convict or unassisted immigrants or any who came as ships crew or military, some of whom will be on separate indexes for which papers have not been digitised. If you have a specific question, please ask it. But we cannot do anything with families that may not exist, a father that did not always tell the truth, no surname and only a guess. It's just wasting our time. Peter

These images are the background papers from which the online indexes were derived. They were previously available at NSW State Archive and elsewhere on microfilm. NSW State Archives started the imaging project about 2 years ago, and now most are online. As Port Jackson (Sydney) was the centre of administration from 1788 until about 1851 when other states started to emerge, many of the early immigrations to Port Phillip (Melbourne) or Moreton Bay (Brisbane) can be found in NSW records. Similar papers should exist for online indexes for other states after 1851, but these will be at the relative state archives, not NSW. I know Victorian shipping papers are available, but haven't seen them personally. South Australia shipping may be a problem, as a lot of their records were destroyed in a flood. Peter in Sydney

Hi Pete, You do not post regularly but when you do it's always gold , can I suggest that anything you have on county clare goes to the County clare library site, it's the first stop for most clare researches i suspect. Regards Steve On Sat Mar 19 17:59 , [email protected] sent: I have recently received - via Interlibrary loan - the 3-volume set of William Shaw Mason's "Statistical account, or Parochial survey of Ireland", published between 1814 and 1819 by different publishers in Dublin. The OCLC number is 316363313. I have now copied the books (over 2200 pages !!!) and returned the originals......and am now in the process of re-binding the copies. The author was Secretary to the Board of Public Records. Although the author and most of his sources were Church of Ireland (perhaps still C of E at that time ???), the content doesn't seem show any bias in favor of the Established Church - in fact, what I have read so far seems quite sympathetic to the general RC population. The volumes contain information on 79 Parishes/Unions of the Established Church, 18 of which are in the Northern six-counties. They do not represent anything like totality of coverage of Ireland, and what parishes/unions are described don't seem to follow any pattern. For example, there are 10 Co. Cork parishes, but not a single entry for Kerry. Some parishes receive only 6 or 7 pages while most of them are 15 or so pages. Some parishes have townland maps, most from the Down Survey, and nearly all have individual townland information, such as acreages, proprietors, translations of townland name, etc. I would guess that the townland information could be helpful, as this data is from a period prior to the start of the Ordnance Survey.....and a decade before Griffith's Boundary Department started "operating" on the townlands and parishes and redefining (in some cases) the boundaries, etc. Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and division, climate and topographical description. II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial appearance of the parish. IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and instances of longevity. VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, manners and customs, &c. VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical documents relating to Ireland. VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial funds and records, &c. IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and markets, &c. X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation of the people. APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line. Google Books seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd. But perhaps it's because of my slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for broadband access. However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - it might be worthwhile to check it out. For me, I'll choose a printed book any day.........especially the old ones. The two-hundred-year-old smell is fabulous. Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the parts of that particular county described in the books. Although I no longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the Rev. James Kenny in 1775. This parish was "episcopally united to the vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh [Killilagh] and Kilmoon". There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder of the section has a lot of information and history included. In Volume 2, there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]". A quite complete dissertation of the status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements to Kilrush harbor. Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ) References 1. javascript:top.opencompose('[email protected]','','','')

Hello Mary Ellen, Thank you very much for your response to my query. You must be doing a touch of child-minding. Guess who's going to be very computer literate one day! Thanks for the suggestions as to possible places to search for the unknown. I appreciate the fact that you went to the trouble of looking up the name. Ann gave her father's occupation as "Farmer" but I would be surprised if it was a big farm. However, I will keep what you have told me in mind. I know that there was a gentleman , Colonel or Major ARTHUR, who seemed to be of substantial means in the Griffiths Valuation and Tithe Applotment Books. By now you will probably have seen Peter Booth's reply, and my response to his suggestions. I feel such an idiot but I guess it is better than not to have received Peter's advice. I will be off to the PROV as soon as I am able, and will check out Peter's finding. I really appreciate the replies I have had to this query. Kind regards and thanks Doreen.

Alanna i dont think you asked a stupid question, we are all amateur researchers, and a little bit of anything in my book is good. Never give up though!! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online Margaret, there are so many new pieces of information opening up. I did know that my father worked on board ships before he met my mother. Suddenly, a manifast showed up on ancestry.com that showed him as an employee. Nothing that I would ever need, but it was my father's name!! The only time I ever "acted up" was when some snotnosed kid dared to make fun of my father! I let the whole 64 student class and the nun understand I in a loud voice would not allow that creep to talk about my father. Little quiet reserve me could speak up. I knew some things about his mother and all I did was to let everyone know about it. Then I went back to being little ladylike pleasant me. I can talk about my father, but not creeps. I am NO professional, am just a little lady whose researching ability comes from my mother's paternal side with a bit from her mother. I Always try to encourage newbies or people who do not know how to start the research. Now back to quietly researching Clare and the USA and again no longer doing Tasmania, Have to remember I am a non-professional and therefore I have to remember not to ask stupid questions.

Peter, they are easy to follow and have great info like ( died at sea ) or ( died on voyage ) this is an excellent resourse Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online > > These images are the background papers from which the online indexes > were derived. They were previously available at NSW State Archive and > elsewhere on microfilm. NSW State Archives started the imaging project > about > 2 years ago, and now most are online. > > As Port Jackson (Sydney) was the centre of administration from 1788 > until about 1851 when other states started to emerge, many of the early > immigrations to Port Phillip (Melbourne) or Moreton Bay (Brisbane) can be > found in NSW records. > > Similar papers should exist for online indexes for other states after > 1851, but these will be at the relative state archives, not NSW. I know > Victorian shipping papers are available, but haven't seen them personally. > South Australia shipping may be a problem, as a lot of their records were > destroyed in a flood. > > Peter in Sydney > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

'Online' microfilm of shipping lists This is part of a pilot project to digitise the following passenger lists: the microfilm copies of the Persons on bounty ships (Agent's Immigrant Lists), 1838-96 (NRS 5316); Persons on bounty ships arriving at Port Phillip, 1839-51 (NRS 5318); Germans on bounty ships, 1849-52 (NRS 5320); Members of the Family Colonization Loan Society, 1854-57 (NRS 5322) and Passenger lists of the Family Colonization Loan Society, 1854-55 (NRS 5323). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] NSW shiplists online Hi Margaret, I am under the impression that this list covers all of Australia. If people were on a convicts' list or even other lists, would those going to Tasmania be on these lists? Thank you for your help. Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: Hi list I just found this link on other list, and thought it might be useful for anyone looking for ancestors going to Australia between 1838 -1896. It's a Pilot and its free http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alanna, Thank you. I did find some of my family in the Lack School records. The were from Glencanane or Glenconaun Beg as it was called then. So far, though, no connection to the Sheedy family. But you never know, maybe someday I'll find a connection! Do you remember what part of Wisconsin Mary Sheedy was in? I remember seeing the Sheedy name in Stevens Point, Wis but don't recall the name Hart. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Clare ~~ CLANCY > Sandy, I think that the Clancy's you have woud be maybe a generation > earlier than my Sheedy/ Clancy connections. > > You might look at the names of the children at the Lack School which is > posted on the Clare Library website. There are Sheedy's and Clancy's > there. Since Clancy married into my Sheedy's family, I am not researching > them. Too much for a non professional to bother with, but if I can help > you, I am glad to do so. > > If you do find a connection, please let me know. My Sheedy's were in > Lisnafaha and if I knew, I do not remember, but "my" Clancy connection > must have lived close by as per the school and the marriage. > > BTW, Sandy, my Mary Sheedy went to live in WI. Her uncle, Michael Sheedy > and his wife already lived there. Mary married Owen Hartt. I visited there > as a small child and I remember asking why a perfectly good big barn for > dairy cows was unused. I think Mary and Owen were dead by then. So many > relatives that it made my head spin and I did not know who they really > were, as I was not told. Just that they were relatives. > > Alanna > > --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ciszewski <[email protected]> wrote: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Peter and all, I was able to find and download all 3 volumes on google books - thanks for bringing them to our attention: vol 1: http://tinyurl.com/5vy6atq vol. 2: http://tinyurl.com/693j6v2 vol 3: http://books.google.ca/books?id=cBgHAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false AR At 06:59 PM 19/03/2011, you wrote: >William Shaw Mason's "Statistical account, or Parochial survey of Ireland",

Hi list I just found this link on other list, and thought it might be useful for anyone looking for ancestors going to Australia between 1838 -1896. It's a Pilot and its free http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships Margaret

I have a couple of Clare marriage dates that I copied from FHL film # 926092 Kilchreest Parish, which turned out not to be my family. Thought I'd list them here in case they might help someone else. Patrick Clancy to Anne Sheehan 18 February 1851 Patrick Clancy to Mary Daly 24 February 1852 also a birth Mary Clancy born 1853 daughter of Pat Clancy and Mary Daly, Sponsors James Daly and Mary Hales. Sandy in Wisconsin

Sandy, I am pulling a blank on the city.  Evidently, they were in more than one location.  Beaver Dam was one location.  Dodge Co is a location. Fall River is another name.  I may be wrong about these names.  My computer records have been down for a long time, so I have to just use my head.   Owen Hartt was originally Hart, my father said, but he wanted to be different and changed it to Hartt.   Michael Sheedy was Mary's uncle.  He came there about the mid 1860's.   If I remember correctly, Mary had three children.  One son died young?  I think one was John and he had some children.  They did not write to my father that I can remember seeing any letters posted to him from there and none were there when he died.   A step daughter of Dan Sheedy, Mary's brother, wrote to my father.  I was able to read a few when my father was alive and just only two were found when he died.  That is where I found information.  We also visited uncle Dan after visiting Mary's family.  He was in ND.   See all these people are now long dead as far as I know.  These people were all so much older than I, as my parents were not young when they had me. Dan and Mary had a brother John who was suppose to be in the Chicago area and went to his sister Mary's wedding.  Too many John Sheedy's in Chicago and all I'd have would be his name, birth location, and maybe age and even that is not enough.  Someone posted to me about another brother in MA, Thomas.  I already knew of Michael and Patrick Joseph in Philly.  I found a picture of a youngish [cannot remember his first name right now, Martin?] Sheedy.  I looked and looked for a connection thinking he might be alive.  Nope, a child of Michael in Philly and long dead!!!   I think I said that my Clancy's had an ancestor named Patrick.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ciszewski <[email protected]> wrote: Alanna,  Thank you.  I did find some of my family in the Lack School records.  The were from Glencanane or Glenconaun Beg as it was called then. So far, though, no connection to the Sheedy family.  But you never know, maybe someday I'll find a connection! Do you remember what part of Wisconsin Mary Sheedy was in?  I remember seeing the Sheedy name in Stevens Point, Wis but don't recall the name Hart. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Clare ~~ CLANCY > Sandy, I think that the Clancy's you have woud be maybe a generation > earlier than my Sheedy/ Clancy connections. > > You might look at the names of the children at the Lack School which is > posted on the Clare Library website. There are Sheedy's and Clancy's > there. Since Clancy married into my Sheedy's family, I am not researching > them. Too much for a non professional to bother with, but if I can help > you, I am glad to do so. > > If you do find a connection, please let me know. My Sheedy's were in > Lisnafaha and if I knew, I do not remember, but "my" Clancy connection > must have lived close by as per the school and the marriage. > > BTW, Sandy, my Mary Sheedy went to live in WI. Her uncle, Michael Sheedy > and his wife already lived there. Mary married Owen Hartt. I visited there > as a small child and I remember asking why a perfectly good big barn for > dairy cows was unused. I think Mary and Owen were dead by then. So many > relatives that it made my head spin and I did not know who they really > were, as I was not told. Just that they were relatives. > > Alanna > > --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ciszewski <[email protected]> wrote: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently received - via Interlibrary loan - the 3-volume set of William Shaw Mason's "Statistical account, or Parochial survey of Ireland", published between 1814 and 1819 by different publishers in Dublin. The OCLC number is 316363313. I have now copied the books (over 2200 pages !!!) and returned the originals......and am now in the process of re-binding the copies. The author was Secretary to the Board of Public Records. Although the author and most of his sources were Church of Ireland (perhaps still C of E at that time ???), the content doesn't seem show any bias in favor of the Established Church - in fact, what I have read so far seems quite sympathetic to the general RC population. The volumes contain information on 79 Parishes/Unions of the Established Church, 18 of which are in the Northern six-counties. They do not represent anything like totality of coverage of Ireland, and what parishes/unions are described don't seem to follow any pattern. For example, there are 10 Co. Cork parishes, but not a single entry for Kerry. Some parishes receive only 6 or 7 pages while most of them are 15 or so pages. Some parishes have townland maps, most from the Down Survey, and nearly all have individual townland information, such as acreages, proprietors, translations of townland name, etc. I would guess that the townland information could be helpful, as this data is from a period prior to the start of the Ordnance Survey.....and a decade before Griffith's Boundary Department started "operating" on the townlands and parishes and redefining (in some cases) the boundaries, etc. Here is the "Table of the Sections" for the books: "TABLE OF THE SECTIONS, According to which the account of every parish is arranged in this volume. I - The name of the parish, ancient and modern; its situation, extent, and division, climate and topographical description. II - Mines, minerals, and all other natural productions. III - Modern buildings both public and private, including towns, villages, gentlemen's seats, inns, &c. - the roads, scenery, and superficial appearance of the parish. IV - Ancient buildings, monastic and castellated ruins, monuments and inscriptions, or other remains of antiquity. V - Present and former state of population; the food, fuel, and general appearance; mode of living and wealth of the inhabitants; diseases and instances of longevity. VI - The genius and dispositions of the poorer classes; their language, manners and customs, &c. VII - The education and employment of their children, schools, state of learning, public libraries, &c. collection of Irish MSS, or historical documents relating to Ireland. VIII - State of the religious establishment, mode of tythes, parochial funds and records, &c. IX - Modes of agriculture, crops, stocks of cattle, rural implements, chief proprietors' names, and average value of land, prices of labour, fairs and markets, &c. X - Trade and manufactures, commerce, navigation and shipping, freight, &c. XI - Natural curiosities, remarkable occurrences, and eminent men. XII - Suggestions for improvement; and means for ameliorating the situation of the people. APPENDIX - Consisting of statistical tables, containing the value of the stock, annual produce of the parish, &c.&c." As it would be impractical for me to enter much of the information into e-mails, I tried to see if these volumes are available on-line. Google Books seems to have only volume 2, which seems odd. But perhaps it's because of my slow dial-up connection and have difficulty accessing sites meant for broadband access. However, for those interested - and on a suitable connection - it might be worthwhile to check it out. For me, I'll choose a printed book any day.........especially the old ones. The two-hundred-year-old smell is fabulous. Too bad I wasn't able to also copy the aroma [gr]. I plan on sending this general information to most of the Republic's county mailing lists over the next week or so, with added specific comments on the parts of that particular county described in the books. Although I no longer have much in the way of "free time", I'd be willing to answer questions that don't require a lot of typing (reading is OK, lotsa typing isn't). Volume 1 contains a 38-page section on Kilmanaheen parish, written by the Rev. James Kenny in 1775. This parish was "episcopally united to the vicarages of Kilasbuglenane [Killaspuglonane], Kilmacreehy [Kilmacrehy], Kileilagh [Killilagh] and Kilmoon". There are "Townlands, Derivations and Population" tables for the individual civil parishes (quite detailed) and the remainder of the section has a lot of information and history included. In Volume 2, there is an even-more extensive 85-page section on the Kilrush Union of the parishes of "Kilrush, Killard, Kilfieragh [Kilfearagh], Moyferta [Moyarta], and Killballyhone [Kilballyowen]". A quite complete dissertation of the status and history of this area in 1816 - even a map of proposed improvements to Kilrush harbor. Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Hello Peter, Thank you so much for looking at PROV. I feel so absolutely stupid but I obviously haven't looked at the "Unassisted" List and have only myself to blame. I have to confess that I haven't looked in Victoria for a very long time but the evidence is quite clearly there. I've been wandering around the rest of the country! Just goes to prove "Leave NO stone unturned!" The age is a bit of a conundrum as it makes her the same age (?twin) as her brother, Tom, b.1837. It is always possible that is isn't her true age, but I will be hotfooting it into North Melbourne at the first opportunity. It may be a little while before I can manage it but I will certainly get there as soon as possible. I shall also check out any other eligible girls, just to make sure. I had also thought, as did my cousin, that Ann may have been the "Unnamed child", which may have clouded my thinking, but there is no getting away from the fact that I have made a very significant error. A very timely lesson. There is another name among the young women aboard, that of a similar name to an Irish friend of Ann's, though the spelling is different. It may yet be proven that they came out here together. Only time will tell on that one. I 'googled' "Herald of the Morning" and found that she carried a large contingent of Government Emigrants. Not sure how that fits in with "Unassisted", but that is no longer a problem, thanks to you. Thank you very much for looking the Victorian records up yourself. Had you not done it I might have been looking forever with blinkered eyes. I had hoped that the Clare Heritage research might have turned up the births, marriage and deaths of Ann's parents, John ARTHUR and Bridget CONOLE., but no such luck. Just the three baptisms, one of which had no name. By the way, that research was costly to me in 1985 - 60 Irish Pounds when I was on a very low wage and the rate of exchange was also low. Still, that is in the past now, but I have never been tempted to go back. Maybe that will change now if it becomes necessary. Thank you once again for your very great help which is much appreciated. Regards from a deeply embarrassed Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Doreen Dunlop" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] ARTHUR surname - Co CLARE to AUSTRALIA > Doreen, > > I'm a bit surprised that despite your "costly" enquiry, you don't seem > to have an exact birthdate for Ann, and are working on a series of derived > dates based on stated age for marriage or details provided buy others from > her death certificate. Not that it's a huge problem, but I would expect > that to be the first thing they told you. > > I had a look at Victorian Assisted and Unassisted Immigration Indexes, > but there is no obvious arrival. There was an Ann Arthur in 1859 who gave > age as 22. It perhaps fits arrival at 14. > > I also looked at all females under 25 with the Arthur surname. There is > a Norah in 1867 age 22. Perhaps Ann was a derivative name. > > If she truly came at 14, one would expect one of the Orphan Schemes. > But if orphaned, it's likely sibling would also be included. Do you know > when parents died? > > Having said all that, I guess a specific arrival date is rather > irrelevant, as you know her origins and parents and where she lived and > died here. > > I only mention paid research to establish my credentials. I'm mainly > about helping and encouraging people to do their own research. It's much > more fun. > > Peter

Sandy, I think that the Clancy's you have woud be maybe a generation earlier than my Sheedy/ Clancy connections.   You might look at the names of the children at the Lack School which is posted on the Clare Library website.  There are Sheedy's and Clancy's there.  Since Clancy married into my Sheedy's family, I am not researching them.  Too much for a non professional to bother with, but if I can help you, I am glad to do so.   If you do find a connection, please let me know.  My Sheedy's were in Lisnafaha and if I knew, I do not remember, but "my" Clancy connection must have lived close by as per the school and the marriage.   BTW, Sandy, my Mary Sheedy went to live in WI.  Her uncle, Michael Sheedy and his wife already lived there.  Mary married Owen Hartt.  I visited there as a small child and I remember asking why a perfectly good big barn for dairy cows was unused.  I think Mary and Owen were dead by then.  So many relatives that it made my head spin and I did not know who they really were, as I was not told.  Just that they were relatives.   Alanna --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ciszewski <[email protected]> wrote:

Thank you, Sandy.   My Sheedy's lived in Lisnafaha.  Anne married a Clancy whose father was Patrick.  Anne's husband died.  The children or most of them went to NY.  I am not sure if Anne went with them or not.   Two of them stayed at least for a while with their uncle Patrick Joseph Sheedy in Philly.   So if either your Clancy's or mine can help someone, I sure hope so.   ps.  No one told me this info, I researched it myself with no stupid questions needed to be asked.   Alanna  --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ciszewski [email protected]> wrote: I have a couple of Clare marriage dates that I copied from FHL film # 926092 Kilchreest Parish, which turned out not to be my family.  Thought I'd list them here in case they might help someone else. Patrick Clancy to Anne Sheehan 18 February 1851 Patrick Clancy to Mary Daly 24 February 1852 also a birth  Mary Clancy born 1853 daughter of Pat Clancy and Mary Daly, Sponsors James Daly and Mary Hales. Sandy in Wisconsin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message