RC records don't go back far enough to show the baptisms of Stephen and Anne, but you can search the Tithes index on the Clare Library site for Liddys/Lyddys and McMahons in Drumcliff/Ennis. I found John and Martin Liddy in the town of Ennis,, and Jno in the townland of Cloughleigh. Lots of McMahons, including some in Ennis and some in townlands. Just a guess, but if Stephen was educated, he probably came from Ennis and Ann may have too. Their fathers could well be in the Tithes, which were done in the 1820s and 1830s. Diane

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Dave, what exactly is the brick wall you're trying to break down? Diane PS: You know Nancy is a nickname for Ann.

> Dave, what exactly is the brick wall you're trying to break down? > > Diane > > PS: You know Nancy is a nickname for Ann. Sorry not to be clear. I cannot find anything about Stephen or Ann's parents. Dave Spang

I am hopeful someone can shed some additional light on my brick wall of 25 years. Here is what I know - Stephen McMahon married Anne Lyddy on May 17, 1837 in the presence of Michael McMahon and Dennis Spellecy, in the Diocese of Killoloe, Parish of Drumcliffe (1) Stephen McMahon, about age 40, immigrated on 7/20/1846 on the ship Siddons, from Liverpool to New York, settling in Collinsville, CT. (2) Ann McMahon, about age 30; Mary McMahon, age 9; and Michael McMahon, age 6, immigrated on 10/28/1850, on the ship Forest Queen, from Liverpool to New York, settling in Collinsville (3). (1) = Microfilm Pos. 2472 (Irish National Museum) verified with original church records, SS Peter and Paul, Ennis, Co. Clare. (2) = Ancestry.com -ship records (3)= Ancestry.com ship records and "Famine Immigrants", Vol. 6, pg 349 NOT VERIFIED INFORMATION 1. Death cerficate for Mary McMahon (Murray) indicates date of birth as Feb. 17, 1840 and her mother as Nancy Liddy. 2. Family history claimed she was Nancy Ann Lyddy. 3. My Aunt wrote a letter in 1997 or so when she was about 95 but of clear faculties, that Stephen McMahon had a job in Ennis with a utilities company; and Ann McMahon owned her own little shop on the main street in Ennis. She visited Ennis several times but does not say in what years. 4. The Ennis directories do not show a shop owned by Ann Lyddy or Ann McMahon; they do not show a Utilities Company. 5. During my recent trip, I visited with Sean Spellissy, the Book Gallery, Ennis, who has written a number of books on early Ennis. He looked in his "Merchants of Ennis" and his "Ennis Compendium" withour success. He speculated that the shop might have been on Gaol Street. He was unaware of a utilites company but thought Insurance Companies were sometimes referred to as utilities. 6. Stephen McMahon worked as an Ax maker at the Collinsville Ax Company but my aunt reports he was an educated man and taught his daughter at home. 7. Ann Lyddy McMahon was a staunch Catholic. 8. A Catherine McMahon was born to a Stephen McMahon and Ann Liddy, baptised at SS Peter and Paul on Oct. 5, 1846. Dave Spang www.spanggenealogy.com

Diane, thank you so much for your help here......this gives me things to think about, as I've had nothing to go on... If Denis died, it would between 1845 and 1850, as Bridget is found on Ontario in 1851...that is, if he died in Ireland I will get on the familysearch site and check those dates you gave me.... I didn't think of him being born in Ballybunion and then living in Bleanmore....I can't find out much about Bleanmore at all...it must be a small place..... OK...I'll think about this and work on what clues you have given me...and THANK YOU SO MUCH!..... Barbara Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Need help with Bleanmore > First, congratulations on finding a grgrgrgrandparent! (That's further > back > than I can go.) Unfortunately, it will be hard to find a baptismal record > for Denis around 1819-24. Bleanmore is in Kilmurry McMahon RC parish, and > baptismal records don't start there until 1845. It's just across the > Shannon > from Ballybunnion, but baptismal records don't start there until 1831. > (Though > he was living in Bleanmore, he might have been born in Ballybunnion.) > > You might have better luck finding his death, assuming he survived the > Famine and stayed in Ireland. Abbeyfeale is in Newcastle registration > district > and the death index on familysearch.org shows at least five possible Denis > Collins deaths in Newcastle: 1803-83, 1813-83, 1818-81, 1820-96, and > 1822-92. > If you send to the GRO with dates, volumes, and page numbers, it's 4 euros > each for the registrations, which would give you place of death and > informant. Unfortunately, the Griffith's index shows dozens of Collins > families in > Abbeyfeale, including 4 for Denis Collins, so unless you know his > townland, it > would be hard to know if any of them were yours. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the obituary was posted for anyone who on the list who might be researching Scanlans. Every family unique, of course, but my grandparents corresponded frequently with their siblings back home, and my grandmothers definitely felt their siblings were still their kin. Diane

Some one who takes something without having full right. Usually referred to Land. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59 > Can anyone tell me what a grabber is? One of my relatives is described as > a grabber. There were several blacksmiths in the family. Could it be > related to that sort of work? Pat D > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:00:12 AM > Subject: IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59 > > > > To post a message to the IRL-CLARE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59 > **************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me what a grabber is? One of my relatives is described  as a grabber. There were several blacksmiths in the family. Could it be related to that sort of work?  Pat D ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:00:12 AM Subject: IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59 To post a message to the IRL-CLARE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-CLARE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59 ****************************************

Found an obit of a former County Clare resident, and thought I'd post it. I have no connection to this family. Sandy John Scanlan Dead Oconto County Reporter (Oconto, Oconto County, Wisconsin) March 26, 1908 John Scanlan passed away Wednesday morning of last week as the result of a stroke of apoplexy which he suffered the day before while driving team for the Oconto Company. He was taken to the home of his sister, Mrs. M. Maloney, where he was stricken the second time during the afternoon of the same day. He was born in County Clare, Ireland, in 1845 and in 1863 came to this country and settled in Binghampton, N.Y. In the late years he has divided his time between Chicago and this city, stopping with his sister, Mrs. Maloney when here. Mrs. Maloney and husband are his only known surviving relatives. The funeral was held last Friday morning with internment in the Catholic cemetery

Yes, I totally understand that fact.  There is another person on this list researching Scanlan's and we have no connections that we can see.   As far as letters, my father had to have done some correspondance to know where his family lived in the States.  We were not allowed to read any letters until he had read them and decided to let us read them.  I was referring in the previous post to what his brother said.   I have written with sadness what we could not know.  The only letters from Ireland came from his brother when I was old enough to know.  Letters came from one sister over here and from his own uncle's stepdaughter in a different location.   His brother could have sent information to me via my father that I never saw.  I found some after he was dead and his brother long gone by then.  Brother said that a cousin was a founder of a library but he was long dead by the time I found out.  He might have been able to help but not when he is dead.   Folks far from Ireland bemoan the fact that they are so far away and in my case the information was right there and I in a different way have no access either.  So very sad. Alanna --- On Sat, 3/26/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] John Scanlan obit To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 1:57 PM I think the obituary was posted for anyone who on the list who might be researching Scanlans. Every family unique, of course, but my grandparents corresponded frequently with their siblings back home, and my grandmothers definitely felt their siblings were still their kin. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The home person in my family tree is a Patrick Francis Madden b. 1819 + or - 1 Ballyvelaghan Clare, he and his wife and their children left Ireland in 1863 to sail to Queensland Australia, have just found on the Irish Census 1901/1911 a John Madden age 85 possible born 1826 also in Ballyvelaghan comparing his age is strong possibility he was a younger brother of Patrick. would any person on the list have any information where Peter Madden from Ballyvelaghan may have been buried. Michael

For NY Roman Catholic churches: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nynewyo2/RCchurchregisters.htm >From the NY Archdiocese website: If the parish has merged and you are unsure where the records may reside, please send your concern in writing to the Vicar General's Office. The Vicar General's Office will be happy to provide a listing of the parishes in the area in which a relative was baptized. Please send a self-addressed stamped envelope with your request to Vicar General's Office, 1011 First Avenue, New York, NY 10022, and we will be happy to send you a listing of parishes in the area that have been merged. Hope this helps

Thank you for posting the information.  But there is nothing to connect to my Scanlan's.  The name was common in Co Clare.  My father said we were not connected to any other Scanlan in their area.  His brother said that he thought that our Tadgh was one of the first evictees.  He is the first according to the brother of our Scanlan line in our area.   As I posted before, my grandfather and his sister, set up a stone for their brother, John Scanlan who died in 1899, I believe the year was.  Bridget never married.  Patrick had a son named John B Scanlan who came to the States and died here.  He was known as "Jack."  So, John is a common name within my Scanlan's and Sheedy's.   As the brother said, people left Ireland and never corresponded with the family again for many reasons but totally unknown by the family back home.  Lack of mail service could be a simple reason.   Some place I heard or read that when a woman or girl left her home to live with her husband, she was no longer a member of her own kin and she was now married.  Have no idea if this is true or not.   Thank you again.   Alanna  

Hi all, I’m resending this because my “smiley” emoticons were rejected and the post was subsequently rejected. Hope this one works! From: Elizabeth Andrews Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Brickwall in Scariff, County Clare. Hello all, I don’t post very often but would welcome some input seeing as I intend to visit County Clare (hopefully) in the next few months. My G.Grandmother Cath. Gorman said she came from Scariff, County Clare. She married my G.Grandfather in Victoria, Wedderburn, Australian Goldfields circa 1870. There was a discrepancy in having children and being married, possibly due to the lack of clergy at the time or so we like to think. Having tracked her back through the internet, I arrived at the Tithe Applotment records for Fossabeg, Tuomgraney where I found that Hugh Gorman, Cath’s father shared a plot with 15 others. Hugh was married to Honora ?McArtney (or variants in spelling). They weren’t exactly “landed gentry”. My basic query is – how did she come to Australia. I have searched the Irish Orphan database and the “Bride Ships” to no avail, or maybe I’ve missed something. Is it possible that she could have gone to the New World then found her way to Australia during the Goldrush? Are there records in the Clare Library that could help me? Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Andrews.

First, congratulations on finding a grgrgrgrandparent! (That's further back than I can go.) Unfortunately, it will be hard to find a baptismal record for Denis around 1819-24. Bleanmore is in Kilmurry McMahon RC parish, and baptismal records don't start there until 1845. It's just across the Shannon from Ballybunnion, but baptismal records don't start there until 1831. (Though he was living in Bleanmore, he might have been born in Ballybunnion.) You might have better luck finding his death, assuming he survived the Famine and stayed in Ireland. Abbeyfeale is in Newcastle registration district and the death index on familysearch.org shows at least five possible Denis Collins deaths in Newcastle: 1803-83, 1813-83, 1818-81, 1820-96, and 1822-92. If you send to the GRO with dates, volumes, and page numbers, it's 4 euros each for the registrations, which would give you place of death and informant. Unfortunately, the Griffith's index shows dozens of Collins families in Abbeyfeale, including 4 for Denis Collins, so unless you know his townland, it would be hard to know if any of them were yours. Diane

Hi Elizabeth, Have you got the death certificate for your g-grandmother? That will give you the length of time she lived in Australia. As she lived in Victoria it is likely she arrived here. Next go to PROV website & see what possibles there are for assisted and/or unassisted passengers. If you find a likely one then you can go to to PROV in North Melbourne & see what extra information is on the shipping list. Assisted lists will give a county whereas UNassisted gives less info usually just a country. Regards Brenda ________________________________ From: Elizabeth Andrews My G.Grandmother Cath. Gorman said she came from Scariff, County Clare. She married my G.Grandfather in Victoria, Wedderburn, Australian Goldfields circa 1870. There was a discrepancy in having children and being married, possibly due to the lack of clergy at the time or so we like to think. Having tracked her back through the internet, I arrived at the Tithe Applotment records for Fossabeg, Tuomgraney where I found that Hugh Gorman, Cath’s father shared a plot with 15 others. Hugh was married to Honora ?McArtney (or variants in spelling). They weren’t exactly “landed gentry”. My basic query is – how did she come to Australia. I have searched the Irish Orphan database and the “Bride Ships” to no avail, or maybe I’ve missed something. Is it possible that she could have gone to the New World then found her way to Australia during the Goldrush? Are there records in the Clare Library that could help me? Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Andrews. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello.....I have finally found my gggreat grandfather after 50 years of research! Denis Collins married Bridget Enright in Ballybunion. Below is the record. I really need some help from someone there in the area to help me as to where I go next to find some kind of record for Denis Collins in Bleanmore, if that is possible. Their 3 children were Christened in Abbeyfeale, Limerick, and after their last child was Christened in Abbeyfeale in 1845, she is found in Peel County, Ontario, remarried and starting another family. I have all the info on her life from there on....but I have no record of Denis after the birth of their last child in Abbeyfeale in 1845. We figure Denis was born about 1818 and his address at the time of his marriage was Bleanmore. We don't know if he died in Ireland before she immigrated, or if he died at sea or when they got to Ontario. But he is longer in the picture in Ontario. Any help would surely be appreciated. Barbara Lewis MARRIAGE: on 25 January 1839 Parish of BALLYBUNION R.C. Diocese of KERRY Husband Wife Name DENIS COLLINS BRIDGET ENRIGHT Address BLEANMORE NR (Kilmurry Parish; Kilrush PLU) Occupation NR NR Father NR NR NR NR Mother NR NR NR NR Further details in the record Priest REV.D.O'SULLIVAN Witness 1 JAMES ENRIGHT Witness 2 JAMES KENNELLY About the record Book Number Page Entry Number 1 N/R N/R

On 3/24/2011 1:20 PM, Lewis Pat wrote: > I'm trying to find RC churches that would have been available for residents in areas of E 60-65th St between East River and Park Ave....I have called St Patricks several times for help and hung up on without info...told to call some places and got no answers, Ive been looking for over 10 years, trying to find possiblity of where my grandparents married (in church) about 1900-1901 before they moved further uptown area of the 90-100St's by 1902. Found nothing in the NYC records when last there. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The Church of Our Lady of Peace is at 237 East 62nd Street. They have a website: http://www.churchofourladyofpeace.org/html/main.html# It may be a parish that was put together from others, but all the marriage records from those other parishes would be there.

Irish-NY <[email protected]>   I used to be on this list as my Clancy's were in NY.  But I could not find out anything about the Clancy's.   BUT this list when I was on it, was soooo nice and helpful.  I met someone in my home area and not on the list who was looking for an Irish singer who was so well known during his lifetime.  He suddenly dropped dead and the relative was looking for any recordings back in the 1920-30's.  This group through me helped him so much in locating places for the current person to check out.   I only left due to too many posts and just one distant relative family.   Alanna --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Mary Ellen Chambers <[email protected]> wrote: