Diane, Bridget was from Miltown Malbay. I've posted before about her lines. My thinking has Patrick either there or at Ballynew. But the only RC records are via the local priest or a trip to Dublin. I'm hoping a relative in Ireland will be seeing the priest shortly. But if anyone knows of online records for those parishes pre 1864, I ready to listen. Peter

> > i just found out within last month my great grandfather, Denis Carmody born in Cork, > (possibly Kanturk /Kilbrin area) in 1825, and emmigrated to Middlesex > England in 1850s. He married a Johanna Cortney/Cpurtney In England in > 1857, but she supposed born 1826,Cork. If any of these names found in areas match please tell me where, this ha been a over 40 year search. > Any help on either name appreciated. They died in 1903& 1905 in Bethnal > Green, Midddlesex. Thats all the info I have.

Pat - I see that you found their marriage in the indexes at FreeBMD, with an odd spelling of Carmody, If you can get your friend to make another trip for you, the actual marriage record will have their fathers' names which will help in your Irish search. It would also tell who performed the marriage and there is a slim chance that the church record would include the mothers' names. Also, I noticed that the other couple whose marriage was on page 17 was a Patrick Courtney and Julia Pyne. I'm not a great believer in coincidences so I have to believe that Patrick was some relation of Joanna's, probably her brother. I would order a copy of his marriage record as well to confirm this. If it's true, you would now have a father's name and the names of two children, making the search in Ireland a little more specific. I did a quick check of the English census records for Patrick and Julia Courtney. In the 1881 census, they both say they were born in Cork, Ireland. Their census records are a little odd, in 1861 Julia is not with the family, in 1871 and 1891 Patrick is not with the family. I think that in 1891 I found him as a patient in a hospital in Richmond. Good luck, Theresa Liewer In a message dated 6/3/2011 4:53:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: i just found out within last month my great grandfather, born in Cork, (possibly Kanturk /Kilbrin area) in 1825, and emmigrated to Middlesex England in 1850s. He married a Johanna Cortney/Courtney In England in 1857, but supposed b. 1826,Cork. Any help on either name appreciated. They died in 1903& 1905 in Bethnal Green, Midddlesex. Thats all the info I have. ====================================== Remember to stay on Topic. If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i just found out within last month my great grandfather, born in Cork, (possibly Kanturk /Kilbrin area) in 1825, and emmigrated to Middlesex England in 1850s. He married a Johanna Cortney/Courtney In England in 1857, but supposed b. 1826,Cork. Any help on either name appreciated. They died in 1903& 1905 in Bethnal Green, Midddlesex. Thats all the info I have.

Bridget Sullivan b1866 arrived from Clare in 1885 and married Samuel Platt in Sydney on 23rd Oct 1890. A witness was Patrick Sullivan who is supposedly an uncle but possibly a cousin who preceded her to NSW. The only Patrick Sullivan to arrive in Sydney from Clare between 1875 - 1885 as an Assisted Immigrant arrived in 1881 aboard "Peterborough". I've extracted all Clare arrivals on the same ship and posted them below in case it is of interest to others. The data comes from NSW State Archives website where shipping papers have been digitised. I wonder if anyone can identify with the origins or fate of Patrick Sullivan born c1860 after his arrival in NSW. There are over 120 possibilities for his death. ASST IMMIGRANTS from CLARE to NSW - via PETERBOROUGH arr 17 July 1881 Given Surname Sex Age Occupation Notes Patrick O'SHAUGHNESSEY M 40 Labourer & family Patrick HEHIN Widower 48 Labourer & family Bridget DOWNER Widow 38 Housekeeper & family Margaret COOLEY F 19 Servant Thomas CORLEY M 21 Labourer Michael CUMMINS M 19 Labourer John CUSACK M 21 Labourer Bridget DIVAN F 20 Servant & sister Ellen DIVAN F 18 Servant & sister Bridget FRAWLEY F 24 Servant & brother Patrick FRAWLEY M 21 Labourer & sister Martin HAWES M 22 Labourer Anne HAYES F 17 Servant & sister Honora HAYES F 15 Servant & sister Margaret LYNCH F 23 Servant John McGRATH M 22 Labourer Winifred MOONEY F 23 Servant Thomas O'BRIEN M 28 Labourer Bridget O'MALLEY F 18 Servant Margaret QUINN F 20 Servant & brother John QUINN M 22 Labourer & sister Michael RYAN M 22 Labourer Thomas SHALLOE M 21 Labourer Patrick SULLIVAN M 20 Shoemaker Margaret TALTY F 27 Servant & sister Ellen TALTY F 19 Servant & sister Mary TORPEY F 18 Servant Edward WALSH M 23 Labourer & brother Robert WALSH M 21 Labourer & brother Timothy WARD M 30 Labourer

Familysearch.org shows the births of several Bridget Sullivans around 1866. You might get them, then search the corresponding RC parish records for Patrick, who was born before civil birth registration. Diane

Pat, Some of the old church records, esp. western and north-west Cork & Kerry - not all by any means - are being uploaded on to this site. Had a quick look but, I could only find two references to Carmody marriages in Cork - and none match. A lot in Kerry,though. However, I got a big hit with the name Cortney - with a number of different spellings - in various Cork parishes. None, unfortunately match your exact names. However, it might narrow your areas of research to parishes - as most provide the witnesses names to Marriages and Baptisms www.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords I sometimes have been able to search laterally by tracing back the Marriage witnesses or Baptism sponsors. To this day, it is still prevalent (old Irish custom) of having your bridesmaid and best man as Baptism sponsors of your first born child. Regards Sheila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lewis Pat Sent: 01 June 2011 9:31 To: [email protected]; CLARE IRL IRL; middlesex_county_uk Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Need info Cortney/Carmody marriage I have just recently received the birth certificates of my grandfather, John CARMODY b. Sept. 8, 1862 in Harlington, and his brother Patrick b. Feb. 1858 Uxbidge, to parents Denis CARMODY ,b.1825 in Cork and Johanna COURTNEY/CORTNEY b. 1826 Cork I believe the parents both born and probably married in Cork, possibly Mallow/Kanturk or Kilbrin area. This information of birth data has taken in actuality more than 40 years, and only last 20 years thru computer lists and census. I do not know when they arrived in Middesex, but suspect by 1858 before Patrick was born, Denis was a agricultural farmer. 2 other children were born to them, Johanna in 1859, and Denis in 1865, I have information on them. I am hoping someone can help in finding marriage location of Denis CARMODY and Johanna Coutney. I actually started looking for these elusive people 40 years ago, and found nothing at all til the computer age and lists available but this is hopefully the last brick in the wall. Thank you for any help you can give, it is very appreciated. I have exhausted sites at library computers of Ancestry, and it's a long hour drive to the library to hopefully be able to use. I live in rural area of Florida. ====================================== Remember to stay on Topic. If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might check the Griffith's index on failteromhat.com for civil parishes that had both Carmodys and Courtneys, then convert to the RC parishes on the Irish Times site and see the status of the records. I did a quick search for a marriage of Denis Carmody in Cork on the rootsireland.ie site but they have only north and east Cork (including Mallow) and do not show a marriage around the right time. That suggests they were from south Cork. Good luck! Diane

I have just recently received the birth certificates of my grandfather, John CARMODY b. Sept. 8, 1862 in Harlington, and his brother Patrick b. Feb. 1858 Uxbidge, to parents Denis CARMODY ,b.1825 in Cork and Johanna COURTNEY/CORTNEY b. 1826 Cork I believe the parents both born and probably married in Cork, possibly Mallow/Kanturk or Kilbrin area. This information of birth data has taken in actuality more than 40 years, and only last 20 years thru computer lists and census. I do not know when they arrived in Middesex, but suspect by 1858 before Patrick was born, Denis was a agricultural farmer. 2 other children were born to them, Johanna in 1859, and Denis in 1865, I have information on them. I am hoping someone can help in finding marriage location of Denis CARMODY and Johanna Coutney. I actually started looking for these elusive people 40 years ago, and found nothing at all til the computer age and lists available but this is hopefully the last brick in the wall. Thank you for any help you can give, it is very appreciated. I have exhausted sites at library computers of Ancestry, and it's a long hour drive to the library to hopefully be able to use. I live in rural area of Florida.

I remember someone from Clare saying when they were say 8 or 9 years old going to church on Sunday.  All the women would gather around the notice posted on the church door and then turing away and starting to scream and cry.  Their relative's name was on that death list.   Alanna

Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] The Clare War Dead - History of Clare Casualties in theFirst World War Thanks for that news on Clare war dead - how might I purchase the book - I live in Australia You could try the publishers at: www.thehistorypress.ie or contact Ennis Book Shop where I purchased the book: The Ennis Bookshop, 13 Abbey Street, Ennis, Co.Clare. Tel/Fax: 353 65 682900 E-mail: [email protected] Regards, Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Brennan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 1:35 AM >> Subject: [IRL-CLARE] The Clare War Dead - History of Clare Casualties in >> theFirst World War >> >> >>> Just Published: >>> >>> The Clare War Dead by Tom Burnell is a detailed record of 653 Co. Clare >>> men >>> and women who died in the military and associated services during the >>> First >>> World War. >>> >>> Such a list. combined as it is with intricate data and previously >>> unpublished correspondence and photographs, is an essential addition to >>> any >>> local historian or military enthusiast's bookshelf. >>> >>> This is Tom Burnell's seventh book in this series, following on from the >>> success of similar titles on Waterford, Offaly, Wexford, Wicklow, >>> Tipperary >>> and Carlow. >>> >>> Cost: €20.00 plus postage & packing. >>> >>> Published by: The History Press Ireland. >>> >>> >>> ====================================== >>> Remember to stay on Topic. >>> If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin >>> [email protected] >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Worth a look. http://www.failteromhat.com/lo1876/clare.pdf

Just Published: The Clare War Dead by Tom Burnell is a detailed record of 653 Co. Clare men and women who died in the military and associated services during the First World War. Such a list. combined as it is with intricate data and previously unpublished correspondence and photographs, is an essential addition to any local historian or military enthusiast's bookshelf. This is Tom Burnell's seventh book in this series, following on from the success of similar titles on Waterford, Offaly, Wexford, Wicklow, Tipperary and Carlow. Cost: €20.00 plus postage & packing. Published by: The History Press Ireland.

Just Published: The Clare War Dead by Tom Burnell is a detailed record of 653 Co. Clare men and women who died in the military and associated services during the First World War. Such a list. combined as it is with intricate data and previously unpublished correspondence and photographs, is an essential addition to any local historian or military enthusiast's bookshelf. This is Tom Burnell's seventh book in this series, following on from the success of similar titles on Waterford, Offaly, Wexford, Wicklow, Tipperary and Carlow. Cost: €20.00 plus postage & packing. Published by: The History Press Ireland.

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Apologies to Clare List. This is a reply to a Clare post that looks like it should have been to Cork. Pat, I think your best option might be to try for a birth certificate of one of the four children born in Middlesex. It should at least have mother's maiden name and may have something more specific than Cork for origin of parents. Peter

Friends, (Or as the Queen said a Chairde) To update all on recent request. As you will recall I posted a request on this Board in order to get further information with regard to details contained on the pilot project of the Church of Later Day Saints (CLDS). Many contributors came to my assistance for which I want to express my thanks. In addition I have been guided on and off the Board with regard to the process of the CLDS and possible future links between Clare and access to the records to which I intend to follow through. I had pinpointed a marriage of a matching couple with the location indicated on the pilot project records as Ennis. Unfortunately after searching the Catholic Church records in Ennis and the Local State Certificates they were unable to locate the couple. I completed a fax application form last Sunday http://www.groireland.ie/docs/MarriageEnglishApp.doc with the details from the CLDS and in the post last Thursday arrived two Marriage Certificates that I ordered at a cost of €10.00 incl. post.(Eureka). Yes included was the details of the missing couple. While the Union was Ennis the Parish identified in the reply was Kilmaley. Once again many thanks to ALL for your guidance. Sincerely, Larry.

In regard to my message and your question (see below) Dates of "known info" of Carmody family: Denis Carmody b.Cork 1825 place unknown Johanna ???? b. Cork 1826 " " Parents unknown, but possibly Liscarrol, Kilbrin area Cork. He was agricultural farmer. They left there and moved to W. Drayton Middlesex, England approx. 1855, their 4 children born there. Only one son, John came to USA in 1889. I have NO knowledge of where or when in Clare they "may" have lived. Places I have seen the name prominent have been mentioned only as possibilities. Without a census of the whole family it has been impossible to find. And I have only seen a possible censu of something back in the 1600's time frame. I have checked thru the Clare Library site many times , since the 1990's, and have a list of over 100 Carmody's. in different areas. Plus list of Carmody's in other areas. My ONLY knowledge is what I was told back in the 1960's. There is no more family, I am the last of that line. I have wanted to completely give this all up after 45 years of searching , but it keeps coming back in mind to search again! At this point I may have to find a 'good psychic-medium"....LOL!!!! Thanks for reading.

Barbara, I deliberately don't include URL's in most posts for a reason. I want you to learn how to find things. I teach my genealogy classes that it's as simple as Google. There's no way people can remember thousands of URL addresses. But they can all remember Google. Just type in what you want. Peter "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him and future generations for a lifetime."