George Chartres, Honorary librarian and vice-president of the Irish Genealogical Research Society, has died. For article on him: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/obituaries/2011/0618/1224299153404.html Christina

Pat writes: === Wondering where in Clare the following area would be [snip] John Pyne was living in the Parish of Killimer, Barony of Clonderalaw, in 1828, on the lands of Knockanethan and Clonmore, part of the lands of Donagrogue. === As Diane mentioned, Donagrogue is undoubtedly Doonnagurroge townland..... about a mile inland from Killimer village and also from the Clare terminal of the cross-Shannon ferry to Tarbert, Co. Kerry. The townland is more than a square mile in area (695 acres) and would certainly be large enough to contain some small, sub-denominational settlements. But I looked at the 1842 six-inch scale Ordnance Survey map for the area (on the Clare Library website), and didn't see any names for the various parts of the townland - except for the castle and its grounds. I doubt if Knockanethan could be Knockanooan, as there are several townlands between it and Doonnagurroge. And I don't see a Clonmore, or similar place, in the area at all. About all I have on the townland is the following reference from John O'Donovan's 1839 Ordnance Survey letters: "In this Parish is situated the Townland of Dun-na-gCorrog, in which is situated a Castle of the same name, which now forms a part of the residence of George Hodges, Esq. This townland is mentioned in the Irish Deed above given in pages 7, 8, 9 and 10, as forming a part of the boundary of Moylough and in the list of the Castles of Thomond in the College MS. as the residence of Tege Mac Muriertagh Cam (probably Mac Mahon)." That's about all I have. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

To try and explain and detail current information available on the ejectment books can I draw readers attention to posted information on these books dating by to 1999. http://boards.ancestry.com/SearchResults.aspx?db=mb&gss=ancMB&hc=10&rank=0&adv=&p=localities.britisles.ireland.cla&csn=Clare&cst=category&gskw=Ejectment+books&psrch=on&_F00029CB=&_F00027E2=&period=&_80004003=&_F0002BF1= Great credit has to go to Jean Rice for bringing them to our attention. The Ejectment Books are a little-known resource, but they contain much information. There are 17 Co. Clare ejectment books (including two that are missing) for the period 1816-1850. There are another 28 books for the years 1850-1914. Co. Clare has the largest number of surviving ejectment books as they were not at the Four Courts when it burned in 1922. Also surviving are the Civil Bills of the Circuit Court. Throughout the 19th century, Ireland's impoverished tenants eked out a precarious existence from the soil. Since the turn of the century rapid population growth had led to continual sub-division of farms and more marginal land being brought under cultivation. Townlands often teemed with tenants working uneconomic patches of reclaimed bog and mountain. The potato, which was the staple diet of the majority, was a crop subject to frequent blight. Harsh and oppressive laws, unfeeling landlords, the "hanging gale," and the fear of ejectment were features of daily life. Random evictions had occurred throughout Ireland before the 1840s, but it was the dreadful famine years that turned a stream into a flood. Faced with a blighted potato crop, tenants were often forced to sell everything they had to feed their families. The ramshackle poor law which was intended to provide relief for the distressed now exacerbated a developing crisis. Landlords receiving little or no income from rents were still liable to pay rates on holdings rate at 4 pounds and under. The number of bankrupt estates under the Court of Chancery was evidence of the harsh economic pressures. For some landlords the choice was stark: evict the tenatry or face impoverishment themselves. For other landlords ejectment was an opportunity to be rid of an unnecessary expense. Numerous properties were sold under the Encumbered Estates Act at prices which failed to cover mortgages and debts The new owners, often from the merchant class, were even more relentness in their clearance of tenants than the established landlords. The sessions in Clare took place at Ennis, Killaloee, Kilrush, Sixmilebridge and Tulla. Below is a record of a proposed eviction: Ennis Sessions, Tuesday, March 26th, 1833 - Case #5 M. Greene was the attorney for the plantiffs. Wm. Causabon Purdon Esq., a prominent East Clare landlord, was the plantiff. James Touhy and Michl. Ryan are listed and presumed to be legal officers, perhaps process servers or baliffs. Tenants who are listed as defendants include: Owen Toohy Anne Toohy alias Finaun Rose Hogan Dominick Hogan Michael Sheedy Wm. Melody Thos. Sheedy Michl. Hourigan Michl. Dea Michl. Brady Daniel Brady Daniel Quigley Thos. Farrell Martin Coffee John St. Laurence The reason for the proposed eviction was as follows: For non-payment of rent of all That and Those that farm in Belkelly formerly in the possession of Dominick Hogan and Peter Hogan, since decd., and now in the poss'ion of said Defts. (defendants). Bounded viz on the North and East sides by Patk. Kelly's farm and by James Barry's and Mathew Ryan's farms; on the South by the part of Doctor MacNamara's farm called Behernagh. Situated in the Parish of Ogonnelloe and Barony of Tulla. Yearly rent 35 pounds late Irish currency. Sum due 135 pounds Sterling present currency. You can compare this list of the names of tenants being ejected in 1833 with the list of tenants assessed for tithes in 1825 in the tithe applotment book for Belkelly (Purdon) 1825: James O'Dea, John St. Lawrence, Owen Tuohy, Michael Hourigan, Thos. Sheedy, and Patrick Coffee. Notice spelling variations from record to record. (Info. from article in "Irish Roots" genealogy periodical, 1997.) The verdict of the court in this case was "Possession Decreed." END OF JEAN RICE ARTICLE: Surnames: Cullinan, Browne, Brady, Brady, Halpin, Hogan, Mitchell, Culligan, Brislane, Finucane, English, Croker, O'Brien, Gibson, Rose, Power, Mitchell, O'Callaghan, Daxon, Ryan, McNamara, Meehan, Reddan, Hehir, Boland, Rice, Daly, Deady, Donnellan, Downes, Heath, Hynes, Reddan, O'Loghlen, Brennan, Leary, Burns, Carthy, Connell, Egan, Halloran, Kenny, Hehir, Connor, Kennedy, Stapelton, Curran, Browne, Neylon, Shea, Connell, Hawkins, McNamara, Clune, Malone, Conumane, McMahon, Hynes, Loughnane, Kennedy, Musgrave, Butler, Hartigan, Considine, Rourke, RobertWalsh, Curtin, O'Brien, Martin, Blood, Hickey, Cukkinan, Burley, Cunumane, Mullins, Flanagan, Burns, Doogan, Sayers, O'Connor, Connellan, Bane, Dillon, Treacy McTigue All the above name are part of an article written by Michael J.Coffey in the Othe Clare Vol.22 1998 under the title of Ejactment Books. Tulla Session Monday 1st. April 1839 Ennis Session Monday 4th. April 1825 Ennis Session 21st. October 1825 Sixmilebridge Session June 23rd. 1843 Information from Ejectment cases: Where several tenants are listed they represent a substitute census Since Landlords are named it should be easier to locate estate records. Women are given their full name and sometimes their maiden name An ejectment might explain a family's disappearance from a townland or parish The location of specific farms, previous occupiers of a townland, and details of the lease Researchers should not that it is necessary to order the Ejectment Books at Bishop St. Dublin a day in advance since they are not currently stored on the premises.

To try and explain and detail current information available on the ejectment books can I draw readers attention to posted information on these books dating by to 1999. http://boards.ancestry.com/SearchResults.aspx?db=mb&gss=ancMB&hc=10&rank=0&adv=&p=localities.britisles.ireland.cla&csn=Clare&cst=category&gskw=Ejectment+books&psrch=on&_F00029CB=&_F00027E2=&period=&_80004003=&_F0002BF1= Great credit has to go to Jean Rice for bringing them to our attention. The Ejectment Books are a little-known resource, but they contain much information. There are 17 Co. Clare ejectment books (including two that are missing) for the period 1816-1850. There are another 28 books for the years 1850-1914. Co. Clare has the largest number of surviving ejectment books as they were not at the Four Courts when it burned in 1922. Also surviving are the Civil Bills of the Circuit Court. Throughout the 19th century, Ireland's impoverished tenants eked out a precarious existence from the soil. Since the turn of the century rapid population growth had led to continual sub-division of farms and more marginal land being brought under cultivation. Townlands often teemed with tenants working uneconomic patches of reclaimed bog and mountain. The potato, which was the staple diet of the majority, was a crop subject to frequent blight. Harsh and oppressive laws, unfeeling landlords, the "hanging gale," and the fear of ejectment were features of daily life. Random evictions had occurred throughout Ireland before the 1840s, but it was the dreadful famine years that turned a stream into a flood. Faced with a blighted potato crop, tenants were often forced to sell everything they had to feed their families. The ramshackle poor law which was intended to provide relief for the distressed now exacerbated a developing crisis. Landlords receiving little or no income from rents were still liable to pay rates on holdings rate at 4 pounds and under. The number of bankrupt estates under the Court of Chancery was evidence of the harsh economic pressures. For some landlords the choice was stark: evict the tenatry or face impoverishment themselves. For other landlords ejectment was an opportunity to be rid of an unnecessary expense. Numerous properties were sold under the Encumbered Estates Act at prices which failed to cover mortgages and debts The new owners, often from the merchant class, were even more relentness in their clearance of tenants than the established landlords. The sessions in Clare took place at Ennis, Killaloee, Kilrush, Sixmilebridge and Tulla. Below is a record of a proposed eviction: Ennis Sessions, Tuesday, March 26th, 1833 - Case #5 M. Greene was the attorney for the plantiffs. Wm. Causabon Purdon Esq., a prominent East Clare landlord, was the plantiff. James Touhy and Michl. Ryan are listed and presumed to be legal officers, perhaps process servers or baliffs. Tenants who are listed as defendants include: Owen Toohy Anne Toohy alias Finaun Rose Hogan Dominick Hogan Michael Sheedy Wm. Melody Thos. Sheedy Michl. Hourigan Michl. Dea Michl. Brady Daniel Brady Daniel Quigley Thos. Farrell Martin Coffee John St. Laurence The reason for the proposed eviction was as follows: For non-payment of rent of all That and Those that farm in Belkelly formerly in the possession of Dominick Hogan and Peter Hogan, since decd., and now in the poss'ion of said Defts. (defendants). Bounded viz on the North and East sides by Patk. Kelly's farm and by James Barry's and Mathew Ryan's farms; on the South by the part of Doctor MacNamara's farm called Behernagh. Situated in the Parish of Ogonnelloe and Barony of Tulla. Yearly rent 35 pounds late Irish currency. Sum due 135 pounds Sterling present currency. You can compare this list of the names of tenants being ejected in 1833 with the list of tenants assessed for tithes in 1825 in the tithe applotment book for Belkelly (Purdon) 1825: James O'Dea, John St. Lawrence, Owen Tuohy, Michael Hourigan, Thos. Sheedy, and Patrick Coffee. Notice spelling variations from record to record. (Info. from article in "Irish Roots" genealogy periodical, 1997.) The verdict of the court in this case was "Possession Decreed." END OF JEAN RICE ARTICLE: Surnames: Cullinan, Browne, Brady, Brady, Halpin, Hogan, Mitchell, Culligan, Brislane, Finucane, English, Croker, O'Brien, Gibson, Rose, Power, Mitchell, O'Callaghan, Daxon, Ryan, McNamara, Meehan, Reddan, Hehir, Boland, Rice, Daly, Deady, Donnellan, Downes, Heath, Hynes, Reddan, O'Loghlen, Brennan, Leary, Burns, Carthy, Connell, Egan, Halloran, Kenny, Hehir, Connor, Kennedy, Stapelton, Curran, Browne, Neylon, Shea, Connell, Hawkins, McNamara, Clune, Malone, Conumane, McMahon, Hynes, Loughnane, Kennedy, Musgrave, Butler, Hartigan, Considine, Rourke, RobertWalsh, Curtin, O'Brien, Martin, Blood, Hickey, Cukkinan, Burley, Cunumane, Mullins, Flanagan, Burns, Doogan, Sayers, O'Connor, Connellan, Bane, Dillon, Treacy McTigue All the above name are part of an article written by Michael J.Coffey in the Othe Clare Vol.22 1998 under the title of Ejactment Books. Tulla Session Monday 1st. April 1839 Ennis Session Monday 4th. April 1825 Ennis Session 21st. October 1825 Sixmilebridge Session June 23rd. 1843 Information from Ejectment cases: Where several tenants are listed they represent a substitute census Since Landlords are named it should be easier to locate estate records. Women are given their full name and sometimes their maiden name An ejectment might explain a family's disappearance from a townland or parish The location of specific farms, previous occupiers of a townland, and details of the lease Researchers should not that it is necessary to order the Ejectment Books at Bishop St. Dublin a day in advance since they are not currently stored on the premises.

I will send out the request to the Library. Larry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alanna L Scanlon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:12 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] Ejectment books of County Clare,National Archives of Ireland Is there any way for THE LIBRARY to be able to have a copy of these books????? Ejectment books of County Clare, National Archives of Ireland Alanna ====================================== Remember to stay on Topic. If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Killimer is near Kilrush in County Clare. The nearest City would be Limerick about 40 miles away. Nearest town would be Kilrush about 6 miles away and Ennis about 10 miles away. Look on google maps.. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Pat" <[email protected]> To: "CLARE IRL IRL" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:37 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] What area of Clare would this be? > Wondering where in Clare the following area would be, such as nearest big > city/town/border of other county.Possibly have found where part of the > family came from in Clare before going to England. I have never heard of > the Ejectment books before. > > John Pyne was living in the Parish of Killimer, Barony of Clonderalaw, in > 1828, on the lands of Knockanethan and Clonmore, part of the lands of > Donagrogue. His landlord was Poole Hickman, Esq. > (Information taken from the Ejectment Books of County Clare, National > Archives of Ireland) > ====================================== > Remember to stay on Topic. > If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Killimer parish borders on the Shannon River, just east of the town of Kilrush. According to seanruad.com, it includes the townland of Knockanooan, which may be the Knockanethan in the Ejectment books. Seanruad also mentions the townland of Doonagurroge, probably a variant on Donagrogue. Letitia Hickman is listed in Griffith's, probably a descendant of Poole's. With luck, Pete will spot your post and give you a much more complete answer! Diane

Wondering where in Clare the following area would be, such as nearest big city/town/border of other county.Possibly have found where part of the family came from in Clare before going to England. I have never heard of the Ejectment books before. John Pyne was living in the Parish of Killimer, Barony of Clonderalaw, in 1828, on the lands of Knockanethan and Clonmore, part of the lands of Donagrogue. His landlord was Poole Hickman, Esq. (Information taken from the Ejectment Books of County Clare, National Archives of Ireland)

Is there any way for THE LIBRARY to be able to have a copy of these books?????   Ejectment books of County Clare, National Archives of Ireland   Alanna    

Seems I got caught up with all the new Patricks in family ( so many I had to number them) that I neglected finding the Father of bride, Ellen Pyne to Patrick Courtney in Jan. 1857. his name JOHN. If anyone has the time could you please look up Pyne family in 1851 Brit. census, and/or knowledge of Pyne family possibly in Clare or Cork. Summer here in Florida has Family history center closed or shortened hours. Ancestry funding in local libraries cancelled. Thank you so very much!

Diane Thanks. I did not know there was such a list. Clifford -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] Sila Mills I'd suggest you post to the Wayne County, PA list. Diane ====================================== Remember to stay on Topic. If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd suggest you post to the Wayne County, PA list. Diane

Dear Listers In the 1930 US Census for Wayne County, Pennsylvania some of my Son-in-law's ancestors worked in various occupations (which are unfamiliar to me and unreadable) in "Sila Mills". They were Polish and Lived among Polish people. What kind of a mill was Sila Mills? What were the various tasks that both men and women did? If any of you know will you please enlighten me? Or, direct me where I might find out? Many Many thanks. Clifford Conway Smith A great grandson of both Counties Clare and Kerry (Hastings and Conway). A ggggrandson of County Antrim(family lore) [Akey]. In Wild and Wonderful West Virginia

Marg, What year did Thomas & Hanora arrive. Rae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] My McMahon family > Hello Peter, > thanks for your helpful reply. > Yes they did all end up in Victoria, in Eaglehawk near Bendigo. They are > all > buried in the Eaglehawk cemetery. Thomas and Hanora came via South > Australia > and my guess is they took advantage of the Assisted Immigration Scheme to > South Australia as they stayed there the obligatory four years before > coming > to Victoria. I haven't yet cracked the arrival details of the others, > although not for the effort of trying! One of the problems is that, > probably > because of illiteracy, they weren't sure of dates, ages etc, eg Patrick > gave > his age on his marriage certificate; his age at death should therefore be > his marriage age plus the years he was married, but it isn't so. Possibly > the priest who married him looked at him and guessed his age. This makes > it > impossible to check the immigration indexes and use age to determine if a > particular Patrick McMahon is mine. > I have a lot of detail of their descendants in Australia and would love to > take my McMahon line back further into Ireland. > Thank you for the suggestion of the last one leaving Ireland after the > death > of the parents, that is something to consider. > You asked about the Victorian immigration indexes - I believe the original > record of these is at the Public Records Office of Victoria (PROV) in > North > Melbourne. I find the digitised version on their website a bit annoying as > it really needs an Advanced Search option to speed up the sorting process. > Thank you again for replying Peter, and for your suggestions. I'll keep > digging around and see what turns up. > > Best wishes, > Marg. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter R Booth > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] My McMahon family > > > > > > ====================================== > Remember to stay on Topic. > If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marg, I can't help but wonder if my Helen Collins was somehow connected to your Anne .Mine ended up also in the Eaglehawk /Bendigo area. Rae. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] My McMahon family > Hello Peter, > thanks for your helpful reply. > Yes they did all end up in Victoria, in Eaglehawk near Bendigo. They are > all > buried in the Eaglehawk cemetery. Thomas and Hanora came via South > Australia > and my guess is they took advantage of the Assisted Immigration Scheme to > South Australia as they stayed there the obligatory four years before > coming > to Victoria. I haven't yet cracked the arrival details of the others, > although not for the effort of trying! One of the problems is that, > probably > because of illiteracy, they weren't sure of dates, ages etc, eg Patrick > gave > his age on his marriage certificate; his age at death should therefore be > his marriage age plus the years he was married, but it isn't so. Possibly > the priest who married him looked at him and guessed his age. This makes > it > impossible to check the immigration indexes and use age to determine if a > particular Patrick McMahon is mine. > I have a lot of detail of their descendants in Australia and would love to > take my McMahon line back further into Ireland. > Thank you for the suggestion of the last one leaving Ireland after the > death > of the parents, that is something to consider. > You asked about the Victorian immigration indexes - I believe the original > record of these is at the Public Records Office of Victoria (PROV) in > North > Melbourne. I find the digitised version on their website a bit annoying as > it really needs an Advanced Search option to speed up the sorting process. > Thank you again for replying Peter, and for your suggestions. I'll keep > digging around and see what turns up. > > Best wishes, > Marg. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter R Booth > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CLARE] My McMahon family > > > > > > ====================================== > Remember to stay on Topic. > If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have finished (with *much* help) putting up assorted names from Alumni Dublineses in the IGP Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/education.htm The names of the father of the student is included. If you have a page copy, but all means email it to me for inclusion. Thanks go to our transcribers. They have done a lot with very poor copies to work with. Alumni Dublineses is a large volume and this is only a small percentage of the pages, but we hope it will be of interest. It also should give you an idea of what you will find if you had an ancestor or relative of an ancestor who went to Trinity College. -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ===============================

Hi Pat, The townland of Ballinscola that you mention is also spelt as Ballinscoola, so if you type "Ballinscoola/Ed Cahercorney, Ireland" into google maps you will find it south of Herbertstown, Limerick. The parish of Killcullane you mention is spelt as Kilcullane and in the Collins road atlas that I have it is slightly SSW of Herbertstown. So if you enlarge the above map and take the road from Herbertstown towards Patrickswell, but after leaving Herbertstown, cross the river and take the first road on the left (it comes from Cahercorney inthe north) and go a few hundred metres, you will see what looks like a small group of houses strung out along the road. This is Kilcullane. It can also be spetl as Kilkellane, Kilkillaun and Kilkillane. In the tithe appplotment books for Kilcullane parish, also spelt Kilkillane, (found on the Connors genealogy site), the are Slatterys in Ballinscoola and Kilkillane, but no Carmodys. >From Kilbrin to Ballinscoola (above) is about 50 kms and from Liscarroll it is about 43kms to Ballinscoola. Regards Anne On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Lewis Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > I've had some very good help in recent weeks in helping to find my ancestors, but "MAY" have finally come  to a town that just might be what I have been looking for or close. > In the Griffiths  of 1848-64, found a  Denis Carmody working the land,in Ballinscola townland, parish Killcullane, barony Smallcountry. in Limerick, working for lessor James Slattery. Denis was son of a Patrick Carmody. > > According to info I have  from documents and census, "my g-grandfather Denis Carmody" b. in Cork about 1825. Town unknown, but possibly near Kilbrin or Liscarrol area. I am wondering IF this area Ballinscola is close to border of Cork. > If so I can then check Limerick records for him. This has been a 45 year search. The only info I had to begin was >  GG-fathers name, and grandfathers US Army records. > I know there was a CARMODY family in Kilbrin area, and one of them,  Patrick b. 1845, moved to Middlesex England, married and raised his family, he was  I believe a cousin/nephew to my Denis. Still not sure where Denis was born,but he married in Uxbridge Middlesex, England. > So have added the name of Patrick Courtney to the list , Father of the bride, Johanna. > I just recently received info and help from members of these lists from Austrailia, New Zealand, and London, and USA, so I am praying  you might help. They helped find b.c. for my grandfather and an uncle + marriage cert of ggparents. > > I have searched as much of ancestry at FamilyHistory center Ancestry thru library and FHC site, and we could go no further, which is frustrating as I'm sure you know. > > I have 5-6 Denis as ancestors and 3-4 Patricks, so I know it gets confusing. > ====================================== > Remember to stay on Topic. > If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin  [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've had some very good help in recent weeks in helping to find my ancestors, but "MAY" have finally come to a town that just might be what I have been looking for or close. In the Griffiths of 1848-64, found a Denis Carmody working the land,in Ballinscola townland, parish Killcullane, barony Smallcountry. in Limerick, working for lessor James Slattery. Denis was son of a Patrick Carmody. According to info I have from documents and census, "my g-grandfather Denis Carmody" b. in Cork about 1825. Town unknown, but possibly near Kilbrin or Liscarrol area. I am wondering IF this area Ballinscola is close to border of Cork. If so I can then check Limerick records for him. This has been a 45 year search. The only info I had to begin was GG-fathers name, and grandfathers US Army records. I know there was a CARMODY family in Kilbrin area, and one of them, Patrick b. 1845, moved to Middlesex England, married and raised his family, he was I believe a cousin/nephew to my Denis. Still not sure where Denis was born,but he married in Uxbridge Middlesex, England. So have added the name of Patrick Courtney to the list , Father of the bride, Johanna. I just recently received info and help from members of these lists from Austrailia, New Zealand, and London, and USA, so I am praying you might help. They helped find b.c. for my grandfather and an uncle + marriage cert of ggparents. I have searched as much of ancestry at FamilyHistory center Ancestry thru library and FHC site, and we could go no further, which is frustrating as I'm sure you know. I have 5-6 Denis as ancestors and 3-4 Patricks, so I know it gets confusing.

> > >> >> i just found out within last month my great grandfather, Denis > Carmody born in Cork, >> (possibly Kanturk /Kilbrin area) in 1825, and emmigrated to Middlesex > >> England in 1850s. He married a Johanna Cortney/Cpurtney In England in >> 1857, but she supposed born 1826,Cork. > If any of these names found in areas of Kilbrin or Kanturk match please tell me where, this has > been a over 40 year search. >> Any help on either name appreciated. They died in 1903& 1905 in > Bethnal >> Green, Midddlesex. Thats all the info I have. >

Peter, There was also a Pat Sullivan, aged 25 years, RC, labourer, from Clare who arrived in Sydney on the "Devon" on 23 March 1881. Have you looked at Victorian immigration? There are heaps pf Patrick, Pat and P. Sullivans arriving, but unfortunately I can't access them from home to see where they were coming from. There is also a P Sullivan, 29 years, arriving in Sydney from Victoria in March 1884 on "Sorata", but again I can't access this at the moment. Regards Anne On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Peter R Booth <[email protected]> wrote: >    Bridget Sullivan b1866 arrived from Clare  in 1885 and married Samuel > Platt in Sydney on 23rd Oct 1890. > >    A witness was Patrick Sullivan who is supposedly an uncle but possibly a > cousin who preceded her to NSW. > >    The only Patrick Sullivan to arrive in Sydney from Clare between 1875 - > 1885 as an Assisted Immigrant arrived in 1881 aboard "Peterborough". > >    I've extracted all Clare arrivals on the same ship and posted them below > in case it is of interest to others. The data comes from NSW State Archives > website where shipping papers have been digitised. > >    I wonder if anyone can identify with the origins or fate of Patrick > Sullivan born c1860 after his arrival in NSW. > There are over 120 possibilities for his death. > >    ASST IMMIGRANTS from CLARE to NSW - via PETERBOROUGH arr 17 July 1881 > > >      Given Surname Sex Age Occupation Notes >      Patrick  O'SHAUGHNESSEY M 40 Labourer & family >      Patrick HEHIN Widower 48 Labourer & family >      Bridget DOWNER Widow 38 Housekeeper & family > >      Margaret  COOLEY F 19 Servant >      Thomas  CORLEY M 21 Labourer >      Michael  CUMMINS M 19 Labourer >      John CUSACK M 21 Labourer >      Bridget  DIVAN F 20 Servant & sister >      Ellen DIVAN F 18 Servant & sister >      Bridget  FRAWLEY F 24 Servant & brother >      Patrick FRAWLEY M 21 Labourer & sister >      Martin  HAWES M 22 Labourer >      Anne  HAYES F 17 Servant & sister >      Honora HAYES F 15 Servant & sister >      Margaret  LYNCH F 23 Servant >      John McGRATH M 22 Labourer >      Winifred MOONEY F 23 Servant >      Thomas  O'BRIEN M 28 Labourer >      Bridget  O'MALLEY F 18 Servant >      Margaret  QUINN F 20 Servant & brother >      John QUINN M 22 Labourer & sister >      Michael RYAN M 22 Labourer >      Thomas  SHALLOE M 21 Labourer >      Patrick  SULLIVAN M 20 Shoemaker >      Margaret  TALTY F 27 Servant & sister >      Ellen TALTY F 19 Servant & sister >      Mary  TORPEY F 18 Servant >      Edward WALSH M 23 Labourer & brother >      Robert WALSH M 21 Labourer & brother >      Timothy WARD M 30 Labourer > > > > > ====================================== > Remember to stay on Topic. > If you have a problem with anything please contact the list admin  [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >