Jane, I wouldn't belabor the point that you are trying to make, concerning your imput on the state of Ireland...but I would like to point out that if you read your history there were originally NINE counties of Ulster before the Brits made a monumental decision and decided that THREE of the counties were predominately CATHOLIC and would have been the MAJORITY had they left things alone. It's ironic that the most NORTHERN county of Ireland, Donegal, is considered part of the SOUTH...why? And as for your other statement about "terrorism" almost being a way of life in Ireland....just think if Washington's forces had been defeated on numerous occassions and kept up the fight for years anyhow to attain freedom and justice...what would his armies(?) have been called....although I don't believe "terrorists" was the phrase in those days it was more like traitors or seditionists or any other title that the British could make stick. Let's leave the history to historians and get back to our original goals.....GENEALOGY. Bill Reilly

Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Siaoh@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Jane, > I wouldn't belabor the point that you are trying to make, concerning your > imput on the state of Ireland. You've lost me a bit there. I merely felt that the FACTS about the troops being sent to the Province and partition should be stated. ..but I would like to point out that if you read > your history there were originally NINE counties of Ulster before the Brits made > a monumental decision and decided that THREE of the counties were > predominately CATHOLIC and would have been the MAJORITY had they left things alone. Fair comment, it wasn't the only time they messed with the boundaries to get things the way they want them. However if they had not organised things that way then the Protestants would have rebelled , probably butchering the Catholics as a result, if you were in power what would you have done? Please note that the term Brits was coined as an insult It's > ironic that the most NORTHERN county of Ireland, Donegal, is considered part > of the SOUTH...why? And as for your other statement about "terrorism" almost > being a way of life in Ireland....just think if Washington's forces had been > defeated on numerous occassions and kept up the fight for years anyhow to attain > freedom and justice...what would his armies(?) have been called....although I > don't believe "terrorists" was the phrase in those days it was more like > traitors or seditionists or any other title that the British could make stick. A terrorist is defined as one who sets out to strike terror into the populace. Bursting into peoples house and shooting them, kidnapp and torture, bombing public areas , the list goes on ,during the main years of the'troubles" these events happened on a daily basis, do you think that is NOT terrorism? and people lived their lives with it. And yes if Washingtons army had been defeated fighting against their lawful government of the day and had kept on fighting then they would have been seditionists or rebels, if they had used methods of terror against the populace they would have been terrorists. After all if Afghan soldiers fighting a foreign invader on their own soil can be deemed "illegal combatants" and incarcerated without rights, trial, access to lawyers, or their family for what several years by the "upholder of truth and justice" then why shouldn't the British government in less democratic times call people rebelling against it anything it jolly well pleases? > Let's leave the history to historians and get back to our original > goals.....GENEALOGY. I've already stated my views on the links betwen history and geneaology but agree this has got well sidetracked and gone on too long, Does anyone out there HAVE any geneaology to discuss, no one seems to be trying very hard to find other topics of converstaion Jane >> > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >