Dick, The age discrepancies are amusing, aren't they? As far as where they in Cavan they were from, the only "confirmation" I was able to make was from the 1921 Cavan County, Townland of Togher, Parish of Crosserlough, Barony of Castlerahan census ( http://www.cmcrp.net/OtherCty/Cavan1821-1.htm ) where I found a Matthew McSherry, tailor, age 48, whose wife was Bridget, a Spinner, age 36, and son, Patrick, age 2. I believe these are my McSherry's because my ggggrandfather Patrick was a tailor, and his first son was Matthew..... but no other corroborating evidence, so I don't claim it as fact. (There are several McEvoy families in that census, but no Phillips') You claim Thomas McSherry lived in same apartment as your Delia in 1890... how did you find this information? Who were you referring to as "also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France?"...... my McSherry's?... or your Phillips/McEvoy's?... and why do you think they also originated from France? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Todd; All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might not spill the beans to the neighbors! In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:17 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:55 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Subscriber since last spring... never saw one mention of any McSherry's. So this is a longshot... Need info on the McSherry's from County Cavan. My g-g-g grandfather was Patrick McSherry, a tailor, who married Catherine Smith or Smyth, who, we believe, was also from County Cavan. The McSherry's, we're told, originally came to Ireland during some persecution (Reign of Terror?) period in France, and changed their name to McSherry to fit in with other Irish names Patrick and Catherine emigrated, with small children, to New York City around 1850. Their son, Matthew, married Elizabeth Chenet( her father was Pierre Chenet- no info on that family either). Their daughter, Catherine, married William Hahn. Their daughter, Margaretta, married Clarence Grant. Their daughter, Jeanne, married Richard O'Neill. They are my parents. Thanks Todd

I've confused you on one surname. My McElroy (not Mcevoy) ggrandfather was from Fermanagh, his wife Delia was from Cavan County. My "possible" from France was a gut feel because of all the spelling variations of Lovett sounded French? I have a pension record document for my ggrandmother Delia Lovett-Phillips-McElroy that was witnessed and signed in 1890 by Thomas McSherry, and his address was exactly the same NYC apartment as Delia and her two daughters and one son. There are other Lovett Cavan surname derivations spelled Lovit, Lovitt, Lovet, Lovatt, Loveett, Loveat, early 1800s C of I, and Tithes. And Griffiths. One Charles was a soldier in the 8th Foot? In 1829. Dick Webber -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:18 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Dick, The age discrepancies are amusing, aren't they? As far as where they in Cavan they were from, the only "confirmation" I was able to make was from the 1921 Cavan County, Townland of Togher, Parish of Crosserlough, Barony of Castlerahan census ( http://www.cmcrp.net/OtherCty/Cavan1821-1.htm ) where I found a Matthew McSherry, tailor, age 48, whose wife was Bridget, a Spinner, age 36, and son, Patrick, age 2. I believe these are my McSherry's because my ggggrandfather Patrick was a tailor, and his first son was Matthew..... but no other corroborating evidence, so I don't claim it as fact. (There are several McEvoy families in that census, but no Phillips') You claim Thomas McSherry lived in same apartment as your Delia in 1890... how did you find this information? Who were you referring to as "also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France?"...... my McSherry's?... or your Phillips/McEvoy's?... and why do you think they also originated from France? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Todd; All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might not spill the beans to the neighbors! In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:17 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message-----