Listers, A good, scholarly book on this subject is F.S. Foster's "History of Modern Ireland, 1600-1972". Published by Penguin Books, 1988. The author questions whether the Battle of the Boyne was an Orange Victory, or a question of the Catholic Army being snatched from the Jaws of Victory. Papal politics were involved, and on & on. Like Jane I have little patience for anybody running around proclaiming their righteous Christianity, or any other religion, and then in the name of Christ like figure proceeding to slaughter their neighbors. There is NO PLACE FOR THE SWORD, BOMB, OR BULLET in any socio-cultural disagreement. I thought it was James II at the Boyne, and his sister who was married to William of Orange. I can never keep the British Royals apart, not even today. I have enough trouble with my own relatives. At a St. Patrick's Day Parade in South Boston, MA, an Army Engineer Bn., wearing there branch colored scarves of Orange, were booed by the spectators. They had NO IDEA why they were booed! The Fort Devens Post Commander was livid. The Orange, White, and green tri-color is patterned after the French tri-color. This flag of the Irish Republic was presented by some Parisian ladies to William Smith O'Brien in about 1845, when Smith O'Brien was in France trying to drum up support for an Irish revolt against the English. Smith O'Brien was a Protestent. Bill Golden _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

You could be right about it being James the 2nd , but I have it as being King Billy who won the Battle of the Boyne and is remember with affection by the Orangemen, I'm sure James was RC and kicked out of Eng. I too have trouble with keeping track of the Royals during this period of history. Either way we agree on Mary, she would have been sister to both Charles and James. Thomas Keneallys book "The Great Shame" deals with transportation of Irish Politicals to Aus, including Smith O'Brien and his subsequent career. When I read it I felt the great shame was what a load of self serving idiots the leaders of the movement were, they couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery. And they were hoping the peasantry would be stupid enough to rise up and get shot so that they could have their moment of glory, what a shower! regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland & Rosemary Golden" <margold56@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Listers, A good, scholarly book on this subject is F.S. Foster's "History of > Modern Ireland, 1600-1972". > Published by Penguin Books, 1988. The author questions whether the Battle of > the Boyne was an Orange Victory, or a question of the Catholic Army being > snatched from the Jaws of Victory. Papal politics were involved, and on & > on. Like Jane I have little patience for anybody running around proclaiming > their righteous Christianity, or any other religion, and then in the name of > Christ like figure proceeding to slaughter their neighbors. There is NO > PLACE FOR THE SWORD, BOMB, OR BULLET in any socio-cultural disagreement. I > thought it was James II at the Boyne, and his sister who was married to > William of Orange. I can never keep the British Royals apart, not even > today. I have enough trouble with my own relatives. At a St. Patrick's Day > Parade in South Boston, MA, an Army Engineer Bn., wearing there branch > colored scarves of Orange, were booed by the spectators. They had NO IDEA > why they were booed! The Fort Devens Post Commander was livid. > > The Orange, White, and green tri-color is patterned after the French > tri-color. This flag of the Irish Republic was presented by some Parisian > ladies to William Smith O'Brien in about 1845, when Smith O'Brien was in > France trying to drum up support for an Irish revolt against the English. > Smith O'Brien was a Protestent. > > Bill Golden > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >