I'll have to check that one out. I remember once getting a look at an old book about the Irish Famine, not a novel, which was a fascinating and sad read. I didn't have time to read it all and I can't even rememebr the title, but it did give a handle on all the bitterness and resentment caused by the famine which carries on today. One thing I can remember is that there was (and is) a common belief and cause of hatred of the English was that Queen Victoria's response to an appeal for the famine victims was to donate GBP5, a desultory sum even in those days, in fact she gave GBP5000, a huge amount then.And of course it's often forgotten that your average English peasant wasn't in very good shape in those days either. My grandfather was a Mason, but they're a secretive lot so I doubt whether anybody is likely to find out much about their ancestor's Masonic doings but I would imagine the Orange men would be more committe and community based, what with all their marching activities etc. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Marg Andrews" <nandrews@caloundra.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Thanks for the lesson Jane. I, too have an Orangeman and wonder > about whether there were any records kept of them and where to > find out a bit more about what they did and when. > I am currently reading the book "Trinity" by Leon Uris which takes > one back to the dire poverty of Ireland in the 1800's and the Catholic > versus the Protestants. It is a slow read and quite sad. > It is mostly from the Catholic perspective but nonetheless a very > interesting book if you have Irish on your tree. > The libraries should all have it. > Marg A. > ----- Original Message -----

TRINITY, which is a novel, is a good read about this subject. Joan Griffin Rusk - > Marg A. > ----- Original Message ----- ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN