Hi While the index itself is of limited use the actual Irish census carried more info than the English census of the time. Information on my LOVETT family included, age, married state, occupation, names of those who had left the family home in the last 10 years (and whether dec. or emigrated) date of parents marriage, whether able to read or write. From this I now know the names of great great grandfather George's siblings and parents (his father was by then deceased) and that two of his siblings went to USA and their occupations (still haven't raced them tho) and when his parents married. For my BIGGS family the details were less revealing but included name , age , occupation, married state, relationship to head of household. And no I'm afraid i don't hold any details of the census, SKS did a look up for me after I had checked the 1841 index at my local LDS. So this census is very useful indeed , if you can get hold of it that is. I agree with Joe about the index tho' you wonder why they bothered indexing but didn't go on to provide more details. Ahother place to check is the index to the 1901 Old Age Pension. Again an index , sigh, BUT it may show parents names and whether they were alive in the 1851 census. I would try and get hold of the census if you can or get a look up, it is incredibly useful. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe coyle" <joenormapat@tin.it> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index > In spite of it's limited information it is useful, When I looked for a > Margaret Coyle in Killashandra, Cavan, I found four, Three in a townland > of Bruse, each with a different page No. Which refers to the microfilmed > copies and the order in which they were filmed. The different page No. > Helped me to sort out others in the family listed in Bruse on the same > page. Hence three different families with a Margaret--and other members. > It is doubtful the actual pages of the census would be of any additional > info, for ages and such, the early census' didn't report that accurately > or in some cases, scribe an age, only grouped them. I have not seen any > of the Killashandra census pages so I cannot be for certain but I would > guess that other than the head of household , that no other real useful > info could be attained from it anyway. > > As for the townlands, spellings do differ a little and at times you > have to consider the alternate names used by the Diocese of Kilmore. For > those alternate names refer to Al Beagans notes on the subject. As for > other names, most can be found in the IRE ATLAS which I am told is based > on the 1851 listings, not far off from the 1841 or 1831 lists. One > example I can think of at the moment is a Townland of Coronary(on the > CD) in Killashandra, is spelled Corraneary in the IRE ATLAS, not to > difficult really. > > I might add that in all of my 12 years of looking, the 1841 census is > the ONLY place I have found the members of my ancestor's family. No > other documents to date have given me any clues. > > I would also like to say I do not approve of presenting these census' in > this way I too would much rather have a CD with actual copies of the > pages, however I did find it useful. > > Joe Coyle > > Gerald Sullivan wrote: > > > > E.Sharp wrote: > > > > >Does anyone on this list have the CD that includes the 1831-1841 Ireland > > >census index which I believe only has Londonderry & one parish in Cavan on > > >it? I am trying to find out what exactly is on the CD before I purchase it. > > > > > >Thank you. > > >"E"laine > > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy but did not find it useful. The townlands listed are not > > the townlands that my ancestors should have been recorded. Besides the > > strange townlands it only gives a name,townland and a film index > > number.Nothing tells you what the index numbers are. > >

Can anyone explain the 1796 Irish Flax Growers List? I am interested in the following: Patrick Farley ID 6039 Cavan Elaine

Flax growing was the big industry in the area, so this is a list of those producing the raw material. i'm not sure if they were getting any payment subsidy as well? i saw an explanation somewhere but can't remember all the details. It doesn't list everyone, just those producing more than a certain amount. And if anyone out there knows any way of getting more info on the people listed i would like to know as well> regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List > Can anyone explain the 1796 Irish Flax Growers List? I am interested in > the following: > > Patrick Farley ID 6039 Cavan > > Elaine > > > > >

I'd like to add just a tidbit I know -- I was able to use the 1831/41 Census for my Derry family (Balteagh Parish, Dungiven). BUT I was lucky to find some of my Glangevlin family and Derry people on the "Old Age Pension" Fund/Application. People applied in 1902-32??? (not sure when) had to produce a birth cert or a registrar's note stating parents, townland etc...from 1841 and/or 1851 Census. There are not millions of names but worth a look. I changed Programs and lost all the great source information when I did a GEDCOM -- I' a history major so you can only guess how bummed I was! Mo J T Pearson Outdoor Training <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hi While the index itself is of limited use the actual Irish census carried more info than the English census of the time. Information on my LOVETT family included, age, married state, occupation, names of those who had left the family home in the last 10 years (and whether dec. or emigrated) date of parents marriage, whether able to read or write. From this I now know the names of great great grandfather George's siblings and parents (his father was by then deceased) and that two of his siblings went to USA and their occupations (still haven't raced them tho) and when his parents married. For my BIGGS family the details were less revealing but included name , age , occupation, married state, relationship to head of household. And no I'm afraid i don't hold any details of the census, SKS did a look up for me after I had checked the 1841 index at my local LDS. So this census is very useful indeed , if you can get hold of it that is. I agree with Joe about the index tho' you wonder why they bothered indexing but didn't go on to provide more details. Ahother place to check is the index to the 1901 Old Age Pension. Again an index , sigh, BUT it may show parents names and whether they were alive in the 1851 census. I would try and get hold of the census if you can or get a look up, it is incredibly useful. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe coyle" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index > In spite of it's limited information it is useful, When I looked for a > Margaret Coyle in Killashandra, Cavan, I found four, Three in a townland > of Bruse, each with a different page No. Which refers to the microfilmed > copies and the order in which they were filmed. The different page No. > Helped me to sort out others in the family listed in Bruse on the same > page. Hence three different families with a Margaret--and other members. > It is doubtful the actual pages of the census would be of any additional > info, for ages and such, the early census' didn't report that accurately > or in some cases, scribe an age, only grouped them. I have not seen any > of the Killashandra census pages so I cannot be for certain but I would > guess that other than the head of household , that no other real useful > info could be attained from it anyway. > > As for the townlands, spellings do differ a little and at times you > have to consider the alternate names used by the Diocese of Kilmore. For > those alternate names refer to Al Beagans notes on the subject. As for > other names, most can be found in the IRE ATLAS which I am told is based > on the 1851 listings, not far off from the 1841 or 1831 lists. One > example I can think of at the moment is a Townland of Coronary(on the > CD) in Killashandra, is spelled Corraneary in the IRE ATLAS, not to > difficult really. > > I might add that in all of my 12 years of looking, the 1841 census is > the ONLY place I have found the members of my ancestor's family. No > other documents to date have given me any clues. > > I would also like to say I do not approve of presenting these census' in > this way I too would much rather have a CD with actual copies of the > pages, however I did find it useful. > > Joe Coyle > > Gerald Sullivan wrote: > > > > E.Sharp wrote: > > > > >Does anyone on this list have the CD that includes the 1831-1841 Ireland > > >census index which I believe only has Londonderry & one parish in Cavan on > > >it? I am trying to find out what exactly is on the CD before I purchase it. > > > > > >Thank you. > > >"E"laine > > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy but did not find it useful. The townlands listed are not > > the townlands that my ancestors should have been recorded. Besides the > > strange townlands it only gives a name,townland and a film index > > number.Nothing tells you what the index numbers are. > > Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com