Hi Karen Complicated family :) Isn't Cldebank part of Glasgow? That area got a lot of Irish labourers I believe (and also the unfortunate sectarian troubles , Celtic /Rangers etc). The catholic Irish seem to have got quite a bit of stick in many of their new countries, USA during famine, NZ and Aus, but I guess theywe re just the poorest immigrant section of the population at the time. My family were Protestant as far as I know but I was surprised to find a web site giving christening of what appear to be my ggm sisters as RC. Once they hit NZ my family seem to have used any priest that was handy, maybe this was what they did before they got to NZ as well. My GGF George LOVETT was a fencible soldier and one of the men who built Howick Church, (Anglican), one of the oldest churches in NZ. Later burials in the family seem to have been by a variety of ministers. I found a couple of LOVETTs on the later Ulster Roll petiton, but they are so much later than my family that I have no way to link them. The BIGGS family may have been RC, there were several families of this name in Cork who appear to have been RC but again I have no established link. Civil reg makes it SO much easier to research them, no need to worry about what they believed in in order to find their records. Just to throw in a new one, lots of Irish are descended from Scots border troublemakers transplanted to Ulster at various times, plus Cromwells English settlers. And don't forget the Norse took over much of Ireland as well, and the Celts were a germanic race, so now we're back to the De Danaan and the FirBolg. Will the REAL inhabitantsof Ireland please stand up? good luck in your search. Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Clannessie@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:22 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen and St. Patrick > Jane it was I that started all this and with some posts kinda of cringed for > starting it but then with others I have learned so much and like Tamy in > Nevada said she had always wondered and never thought to ask, am glad I did ask! > Then it went to St. Patrick......and again I have learned about him including > being born in Kilpatrick near Dunbarton where I have Scottish family....my > Mom was born in Clydebank and her Mom born in Milngavie and her Mom born in New > Kilpatrick, Dumbarton! > I also agree that family information I can gather, whether it's where they > were born and died or religion or anything, it all helps to round out my family > history. In my family just going back to Great Grandparents I have Church of > Ireland (The Orangemen that started all this) on my Grandfather's side (he > ended up being prominent in the Kilbowie Church in Clydebank - Church of > Scotland). On my Grandmother's side her Father was Catholic and not sure what her Mom > was. They were brought up Catholic but somehow changed to Salvation Army Church > when they went to Simonstown, South Africa where he worked on the dry dock. > Something major must have happened and the Mom brought all 8 kids back to > Scotland. My Grandparents and their children attended the Kilbowie Church > (amazingly not leveled in the Blitz but my Moms home around the corner was). For some > reason my Grandmothers siblings and then my Moms siblings were raised on a > dislike of Catholics (we still have not figured out that puzzle piece). My Mom > came to Michigan after the war where 6 of the 8 Aunts/Uncles on her Mom's side > had settled and half became Baptists the other half were Catholics. My oldest > son is our first child to be married and Melissa is Catholic and I have no > problems what so ever on the matter! I just kinda look at it in a way it has gone > full circle..but that's just my thought :) > > Anyway.....Thanks to Jane and all the others that have added their two-cents > to my question....it has even opened a whole new "folder" in my genealogy box! > > Karen, > Glendora, CA > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >