An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their birthdays are in June.) My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. Mo Clannessie@aol.com wrote: Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on Feb. 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me that my Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. They lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. His father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. Questions: Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was one would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, etc.? Karen Glendora, CA Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com

Hi All I was raised as a Protestant in Fallowfield, Ontario, Canada. My Father was Irish, my Grandparents immigrated to Ottawa Canada from Ireland during the potato famine, ( I am still awaiting someone to give me info on the Lytles from Ireland) as a child our Father used to take us to the Orange parades on July 12, King Billy would be riding the white horse and there e were all kind of marching bands present. They do not hold them anymore, only one I know of is in Shawville, Quebec where each year you can go and see the spectacle. fond memories from Helen(Lytle, Dillabough,) Tape > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their birthdays are in June.) > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > Mo > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on Feb. > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me that my > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. They > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. His > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > Questions: > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was one > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > etc.? > > Karen > Glendora, CA > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > Cleveland Film Society > Phone: 914-712-0414 > Fax: 914-712-0415 > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

William of Orange was from Orange in the Netherlands (or was the lord of there or something) he married Mary who was officially Queen of England in the 17th cent (sorry my history of Kings and Queens of Eng at this time is shaky) But anyway this was after the death of Charles the 2nd who as you may know left 22 children none of them legitimate. His brother James was Catholic and it was after the Civil War etc etc. So James got booted out chucking the Great Seal of England in the River Thams on the way out. The British parliament didn't trust a mere woman (Charles sister Mary) to look after the country properly (hmm Eliza the first Queen Anne Queen Viccy seemed to have managed pretty well for the country) so they invited over a good solid Protestant to marry her and get the country at the same time, ie William of O. He landed at Brixham in Devon and held his first Parliament at a local farmhouse. The deal was that they reigned together as the Parliament was too keen on turning over everything to a jolly foreigner, hence WilliamandMary. William had a campaign against the Catholics of Ireland and beat them at the battle of the Boyne and started all the troubles today. Protestants were settled in the good bits of Ireland (mostly Ulster) and catholics were generally persequeted ,forbidden to be catholic ,hold land ,speak irish etc. So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think Orangeman as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. Green is the catholic colour (the wearing of the green was one of the things forbidden) and orange for protestants. Wearing orange on St Patricks day or green on an apprentices march wouldn't just be an insult in many parts of NI, it would be a good way to get a thumping or worse! Migrant Irish took their squabbles to Glasgow scotland (Always trouble at Celtis vs Rangers football matches), west coast of Cumbria Eng (lots of interfamily strife still) and the mining towns of West Coast New Zealand (some truely spectacular barneys and riots in the past) That's only a general overview I'm afraid and you may notice I have a small cynical problem with people who claim to be christian and fighting someone else over their form of christianity (on both sides I hasten to add) There's probably some web site for Orangemen that might tell you more. If you find the right local association of The Orange Brotherhood they might have some details on your ancestor. Many of these would probably be pretty boring meeting records (like past notes of the WI) but would probably tell you his position in the organisation etc.The son of an Orangeman would probably follow in his fathers shoes to an extent, whether he would rise as high in the organisation is less certain. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Fitzpatrick" <maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their birthdays are in June.) > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > Mo > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on Feb. > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me that my > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. They > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. His > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > Questions: > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was one > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > etc.? > > Karen > Glendora, CA > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > Cleveland Film Society > Phone: 914-712-0414 > Fax: 914-712-0415 > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

Thanks for the lesson Jane. I, too have an Orangeman and wonder about whether there were any records kept of them and where to find out a bit more about what they did and when. I am currently reading the book "Trinity" by Leon Uris which takes one back to the dire poverty of Ireland in the 1800's and the Catholic versus the Protestants. It is a slow read and quite sad. It is mostly from the Catholic perspective but nonetheless a very interesting book if you have Irish on your tree. The libraries should all have it. Marg A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > William of Orange was from Orange in the Netherlands (or was the lord of > there or something) he married Mary who was officially Queen of England in > the 17th cent (sorry my history of Kings and Queens of Eng at this time is > shaky) But anyway this was after the death of Charles the 2nd who as you may > know left 22 children none of them legitimate. His brother James was > Catholic and it was after the Civil War etc etc. So James got booted out > chucking the Great Seal of England in the River Thams on the way out. The > British parliament didn't trust a mere woman (Charles sister Mary) to look > after the country properly (hmm Eliza the first Queen Anne Queen Viccy > seemed to have managed pretty well for the country) so they invited over a > good solid Protestant to marry her and get the country at the same time, ie > William of O. He landed at Brixham in Devon and held his first Parliament at > a local farmhouse. The deal was that they reigned together as the Parliament > was too keen on turning over everything to a jolly foreigner, hence > WilliamandMary. > William had a campaign against the Catholics of Ireland and beat them at the > battle of the Boyne and started all the troubles today. Protestants were > settled in the good bits of Ireland (mostly Ulster) and catholics were > generally persequeted ,forbidden to be catholic ,hold land ,speak irish etc. > So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so > called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think Orangeman > as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant > community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. > Green is the catholic colour (the wearing of the green was one of the things > forbidden) and orange for protestants. Wearing orange on St Patricks day or > green on an apprentices march wouldn't just be an insult in many parts of > NI, it would be a good way to get a thumping or worse! > Migrant Irish took their squabbles to Glasgow scotland (Always trouble at > Celtis vs Rangers football matches), west coast of Cumbria Eng (lots of > interfamily strife still) and the mining towns of West Coast New Zealand > (some truely spectacular barneys and riots in the past) > That's only a general overview I'm afraid and you may notice I have a small > cynical problem with people who claim to be christian and fighting someone > else over their form of christianity (on both sides I hasten to add) > There's probably some web site for Orangemen that might tell you more. If > you find the right local association of The Orange Brotherhood they might > have some details on your ancestor. Many of these would probably be pretty > boring meeting records (like past notes of the WI) but would probably tell > you his position in the organisation etc.The son of an Orangeman would > probably follow in his fathers shoes to an extent, whether he would rise as > high in the organisation is less certain. > regards > > Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Fitzpatrick" <maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com> > To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > > > > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The > name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they > are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their > birthdays are in June.) > > > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange > on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > > > Mo > > > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on > Feb. > > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me > that my > > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. > They > > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. > His > > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > > > Questions: > > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was > one > > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > > etc.? > > > > Karen > > Glendora, CA > > > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > > Cleveland Film Society > > Phone: 914-712-0414 > > Fax: 914-712-0415 > > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >