Gee, I did mention that I know about some of the darker sides of church history. It was, however, as much as you might not like to admit, not all by force. I guess I'd better not wish any body except Ann on this list any more well holiday wishes if this is the result. Kevin J T Pearson Outdoor Training <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> wrote: hmm , sounds like a bit of propaganda to me , the wonderful benfits of christianity etc etc. I bet they took those wonderful benefits and converted people by use of the sword (rusty or not) Much christian conversion was done by force. When exactly WAS ST pat anyway? and we'd better not go into the "benefits" of modern Irish Christianity again. Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin O'Malley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day > > Wishing all blessings on this Holy day in honor of one of the world's great evangelists, Saint Patrick. > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one man." > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. > > > Kevin O'Malley and family > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam

Sorry kevin I took your holiday wishes in the spirit in which they were intended, but it DOES look like propaganda to me, it all looks so well, saintly doesn't it, the horrible barbarity of people before and the wonderful sanctity afterwards, when as I'm sure we all know, people have always been people whatever their religion, some of em are nice and some of em are seriously NOT nice. And that McMalley passage just sticks in my throat, I'm afraid I can't believe in it. The holiday wishes are appreciated . regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz