Dear Kay and Everyone: Your parish in Co. Cavan, is it Drumgoon, Griffith's Valuation Reference Map #1802? I started with the Catholic parishes through the Co. Cavan Research Center and I also visited a local Catholic Church who told me the people who keep the records have no incentive to help you find anything, so I find an offer of a donation doesn't go amiss. There is also such an interest in genealogy these days, they are snowed under with requests. The third thing I did was get maps of the same area done in different years paying particular attention to rivers, bogs, etc., so I could physically locate the parish when changes occurred. Some parishes in Ireland have been incorporated into other parishes and names have changed for parishes and towns as populations shifted and the Irish names were anglicized. Counting people in Ireland was generally with the idea of taxing them so some people without "importance/money" or renting/owning land were omitted. If enough people were omitted this way, how could the parish survive? Some substitute censes only reported the head of ! the family. Multigenerational households may have had a reporting problem. Cootehill had 2 presbyterian parishes and 2 others along with the one Catholic parish 1802. If your people declared themselves protestant for financial reasons, they would be listed under those Protestant parishes or the quakers or the other one remaining. The first Presbyterian Cootehill parish is #1870, the second is #1822 (united 1870). There are directories of parishes online that give you the parish name, who to write to, and the address. Having a person to write helps mark your letter as not run-of-the-mill and you took the trouble to identify that person. The impression would be a positive one engendering a wish to help you. Publications like newspapers of the time are useful, giving color and names that might interest you. I hope this was useful. Good luck! Kathleen ---- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 (David & Jocelyn Gould) > 2. Re: Two historical fiction books about Ireland > (David & Jocelyn Gould) > 3. THE STORY TELLERS ([email protected]) > 4. Re: THE STORY TELLERS (Tamy) > 5. Re: THE STORY TELLERS by Tom Dunn (the Aho's) > 6. Re: THE STORY TELLERS ([email protected]) > 7. Re: THE STORY TELLERS (Beverley Clarkson) > 8. Steen family history (Ian) > 9. Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY COUSINS MARRYING??? ([email protected]) > 10. Re: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 (Kay Stanton) > 11. Re: [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY COUSINS MARRYING??? (Dennis Reiley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:17:49 +1000 > From: David & Jocelyn Gould <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear Kay > Your mention of Cootehill has gripped my attention. My 3xgt gm Annie > Swindley, formerly Pennington, ms. O'Brien gave that place name on one > of her children's birth certs. I have been following the threads and > you seem to have a wealth of research experience in this county and > presumably town as well. I wonder if there is any possibility that you > have some local records which might help me locate my family or if you > can point me in the right direction for further research. This is my > first attempt at Irish research so any advice will be gratefully received > Jocelyn Gould > Buderim > Australia > > Kay Stanton wrote: > > GOSH, KATHLEEN... YOU'RE DOING BETTER THAN I AM. HOW ARE YOU USING PARISH > > RECORDS AND WHERE ARE YOU ACCESSING THEM? THE RECORDS FOR MY CHURCH IN > > COOTEHILL ONLY GO BACK TO 1829; NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 > > > > > > > >> Hello Kay and everyone: > >> > >> Yes, that is my understanding. To inherit or purchase land, there was > >> that problem of religion. The registration of Catholic marriages was > >> spotty for the same reason. The Catholic Parishes have been the best > >> resource for my Catholic ancestry search in Ireland. The protestant > >> (Church of Ireland) bunch were recorded in official records, much easier > >> to trace. > >> Kathleen > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:24:32 +1000 > From: David & Jocelyn Gould <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Two historical fiction books about Ireland > To: Nancy & Ted <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Thank you so much for giving these novels (?) a referral. I have read > his books Sarum and London and found them most enjoyable. I will be > sure to seek out the Irish novels as I am familiar with his work and > have found his stories most readable. > Probably not historically correct but loosely based on fact I dare say. > Jocelyn > Buderim > Australia > > Nancy & Ted wrote: > > If you have never read "the Princes of Ireland", and the sequel "The Rebels > > of Ireland", by Edward Rutherford, you will probably enjoy them for the > > history. Although I thought I was somewhat familiar with Irish history, it > > sure is a much more tangled web than I realized. Reading the second book, > > especially, is giving me insight into my Cavan ancestors, the spinning > > wheels and some other areas of interest. > > > > Although this author gets kind of 'the same' if you read many of his books, > > it makes the history understandable. In these two he follows about five > > families from Ireland's beginnings, through many generations--so he has a > > Viking family, an English one, etc., all of them Irish, but from such > > different backgrounds and beliefs. > > > > Nancy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> I remember reading somewhere in my genealogy work that Catholic marriages > >> were discouraged at one point in Ireland if not illegal. Perhaps the > >> reason your ancestors had such an odd history to their marriage was for > >> this reason. I apologize for not remembering exactly but I've been > >> through so much researching my own family some of it is a blur now. The > >> eldest son of a family was said to have registered as Protestant in order > >> to inherit land as well when they were actually Catholic. > >> > >> Again, my apologies for not being able to give you a reference. > >> Kathleen\ > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:05:23 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] THE STORY TELLERS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My daughter has recently added to our family homepage a wonderful short story entitled "The Story Tellers" written by a man named Dunn. It is a short explanation of why, the genealogists, do what we do. It is excellent, brought a tear to my eye and I must read for all who host the fire and passion of family. You can find it at www.gerisgenes.com . I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. > > Ellen > www.gerisgenes.com > Surname Interest: DILLON SHERIDAN LYNCH MCGINNIS NAUGHTON WELCH > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:18:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tamy <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] THE STORY TELLERS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > What a beautiful story, Ellen. Thank you - and your daughter - so much for sharing it. > > Tamy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:22:46 -0500 > From: "the Aho's" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] THE STORY TELLERS by Tom Dunn > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hey I know a Tom Dunn, a cousin of mine in Minneapolis/St Paul MN. Of > course there must be dozens with that name... > Kathy Aho > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:23:09 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] THE STORY TELLERS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Ellen, that's wonderful. I'm saving it and will include with the family > history I pass on to my nieces, hoping one of them steps forward and says she's > called, too. > > Diane </HTML> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:36:49 -0300 > From: "Beverley Clarkson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] THE STORY TELLERS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Thanks for sharing, and I also found some new sites mentionned there! > > Beverley > > On 4/24/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ellen, that's wonderful. I'm saving it and will include with the family > > history I pass on to my nieces, hoping one of them steps forward and says > > she's > > called, too. > > > > Diane </HTML> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:51:47 +0100 > From: "Ian" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Steen family history > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, I am trying to get some leads for a Mary Jane Steen from Cavan who married a Robert Seaman from Dublin. He was a gardener in Phoenix Park. Any help will be well recieved. > With thanks Ian W Seaman. [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:16:11 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY COUSINS MARRYING??? > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 4/24/2007 4:55:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Wait, what is wrong with 2nd cousins marrying? I thought it was prohibited > if you were first cousins or closer... > > > > if you have bad genes its bad it multiplies the flaws and if the whole small > towen does it you get regional deseases > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:31:57 -0400 > From: "Kay Stanton" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > HI, JOCELYN... > > FIRST OF ALL, HAVE YOU CHECKED THE NEWSPAPER TRANSCRIPTIONS THAT WE DO FOR > www.irelandoldnews.com? YOU COULD VERY WELL FIND SOMETHING THERE, ALTHOUGH > THE NAME "SWINDLEY" DOESN'T RING A BELL FOR ME. > > WAS YOUR FAMILY CATHOLIC AND POSSIBLE COMMUNICANTS OF ST. MICHAEL THE > ARCHANGEL CHURCH IN COOTEHILL? THAT'S THE ONLY CHURCH I ACTUALLY KNOW > ANYTHING ABOUT. ALSO, WHAT TIME FRAME? > > EMAIL ME DIRECT [email protected] AND ALSO LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW > ABOUT THE O'BRIENS SINCE THAT IS ONE OF MY LINES. MY NICHOLAS O'BRIEN WAS > BORN IN COUNTY MEATH (1818) BUT MARRIED BRIDGET TACKNEY AT ST. MICHAEL'S. > > KAY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David & Jocelyn Gould" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 > > > > Dear Kay > > Your mention of Cootehill has gripped my attention. My 3xgt gm Annie > > Swindley, formerly Pennington, ms. O'Brien gave that place name on one > > of her children's birth certs. I have been following the threads and > > you seem to have a wealth of research experience in this county and > > presumably town as well. I wonder if there is any possibility that you > > have some local records which might help me locate my family or if you > > can point me in the right direction for further research. This is my > > first attempt at Irish research so any advice will be gratefully received > > Jocelyn Gould > > Buderim > > Australia > > > > Kay Stanton wrote: > >> GOSH, KATHLEEN... YOU'RE DOING BETTER THAN I AM. HOW ARE YOU USING > >> PARISH > >> RECORDS AND WHERE ARE YOU ACCESSING THEM? THE RECORDS FOR MY CHURCH IN > >> COOTEHILL ONLY GO BACK TO 1829; NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Cc: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 85 > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hello Kay and everyone: > >>> > >>> Yes, that is my understanding. To inherit or purchase land, there was > >>> that problem of religion. The registration of Catholic marriages was > >>> spotty for the same reason. The Catholic Parishes have been the best > >>> resource for my Catholic ancestry search in Ireland. The protestant > >>> (Church of Ireland) bunch were recorded in official records, much easier > >>> to trace. > >>> Kathleen > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:47:59 -0400 > From: "Dennis Reiley" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY COUSINS MARRYING??? > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Unless there are known genetic defects in the lineage of those second cousins then marrying a second cousin is actually genetically safer than marrying a total stranger. > > Even marrying first cousins can be genetically safer when there is an absence of genetic defects. Most of the prohibitions on cousin marriage are some very strange and unscientific US laws. > > See these links. http://www.consang.net/ > http://www.cousincouples.com/ and http://www.cuddleinternational.org/ > > Dennis Reiley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] [IRL-KERRY] IRL-KERRY COUSINS MARRYING??? > > > > > > In a message dated 4/24/2007 4:55:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Wait, what is wrong with 2nd cousins marrying? I thought it was prohibited > > if you were first cousins or closer... > > > > > > > > if you have bad genes its bad it multiplies the flaws and if the whole small > > towen does it you get regional deseases > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 88 > ****************************************