what you can learn from genetic genealogy i always believed my people came from or thru england to scotland wales to ireland Cavan /longford with lady forbes then to chelsea. the problem was what paperwork gets me there. I am still in ireland 1775ish. well this lady tested her dad he matched me totally so at some point both our relatives lived in the same house Bishop Burton Yorkshire England her name is Dunning. Dennings do live in Bishop Burton Yorkshire England Also now we wait for more people to test and match us. paperwork is exchanged and the tree grows. But it doesn't end there way paste attainable paper is this from genetics from _http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=1196.0_ (http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=1196.0) Hi Jim, Your haplotype is more distant from the V13 modal than average, but we know from your SNP test that you are indeed V13. This suggests that your line separated from the modal a long time ago and has had time to accumulate a relatively large number of one step mutations. It has occurred to me that there was a degree of mixing among the Keltoi and the Thracians that is documented archaeologically along the border between their cultural regions. Perhaps your ancestor in the Balkans was on the Celtic speaking side of that line. We really can't know that for sure, of course, but it is entirely reasonable. Even the Scordiski (Celtic speakers) might have intermingled with the Illyrians, Dacians or Thracians along the Vardar-Morava river corridor. That would place your V13 line in the same general region as everyone else's, but speaking Celtic rather than Dacian, for example. Anyway, a more distant haplotype is usually called "old" just to indicate that it is further from the modal. It could be just a statistical artifact too. Either way, yours is one of the furthest from the 67 haplotype modal. Best regards, Steve Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)