Printed out one page of Bailieborough Marriages in 1870. Since I did a lookup once for someone who wanted a TRAINOR, it seemed I should post this one : 1870 Marriages, Bailieborough, volume ? page 549 Entry #95 on 7 March, Hugh Henry TRAINOR, full age, Bachelor, Policeman residing Mobberly, England son of Hugh TRAINOR, Farmer wed to Margaret Ann KELLY, full age, Spinster residing Knockbride, Ireland in this parish, daughter of William KELLY, Farmer. Witnesses were Isaiah LYNN and Mary KELLY. Married in the Parish Church with rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, and Registered by License by Henry Hugh O'Neill. Can send JPG if interested, its a good photocopy. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =========================

Thank you to the Listers who have replied to my request and supplied additional information. It seems WILLIAM PLANT was a younger brother of Samuel (born abt 1807) who married Henrietta Hill and went on to 15 children between them (poor girl! ). I am imagining he may have bought out or taken over management of the farm his father had in Cornaslieve, but I know that can be dangerous. Rumours abound within our family that they boys used to cross the sea to England to stay with relatives and assist with harvests, but I cannot prove any of that or make a connection with any of the English PLANTS. Samuel and William were brothers with another five childlren as siblings, Martha (b 1803) Jane (b1805) Elizabeth, Mary (b.abt 1809), and Susan (b. abt 1811) Their parents are shown to be Samuel Plant and Mary Dignan. 2008/12/30 otterkey <otterkey@msn.com> > Jim, > > In the "Griffith's Valuation" for Co. Cavan c. 1856/57, there are four > listings for the surname PLANT and they are all in the same area. They are > all for the name William PLANT. The most likely home for the family was in > the townland of Cornaslieve, Parish of Lurgan. It was on that townland that > William held over 53 acres which included a house. He also had several > other meadows and fields in the area, including in the townland of Lisgrea, > Lurgan Parish. All these places are very near the town of Virginia, Co. > Cavan. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Query to anyone who can help.........did the Church of Ireland ministers have to submit returns to local Bishops, (like in England with the Church of England and Bishops Transcripts)? My reason for asking - my ancestors came from Virginia, County Cavan, and a cousin has been to the church there and told that the earlier church there was burnt in 1829 and Parish records were lost. My gggrandfather's brother's christening in the current register is the first, and that was in 1831 [Name - John Plant]. I am stuck there and unable to go back further.... His father is supposed to be Samuel Plant and mother possibly Jane or Sarah Bell (I say possible as on the shipping passsenger list I have it says he could read and write, he and his brother James arrived in Moreton Bay in 1856, but John lists his mother's name as Sarah then on his marriage license he says his mother is Jane Bell?????? figure it out.......I can't. I can't find any reference to a death for Sarah or Jane Plant/Bell in the parish records for Virginia or in the Irish Vital Records. Her husband arrived in Moreton Bay in 1863. It's strange he he should come to Queensland to be with his children yet leave his wife in Ireland.....any suggestions? Jim in Queensland

Jim, In the "Griffith's Valuation" for Co. Cavan c. 1856/57, there are four listings for the surname PLANT and they are all in the same area. They are all for the name William PLANT. The most likely home for the family was in the townland of Cornaslieve, Parish of Lurgan. It was on that townland that William held over 53 acres which included a house. He also had several other meadows and fields in the area, including in the townland of Lisgrea, Lurgan Parish. All these places are very near the town of Virginia, Co. Cavan.

If you look for Grahams in Ballinagh, County Cavan, on the eircom.ie Web site, you'll find Walter and Sarah (presumably Sadie). Diane

Thank you, Diane. I appreciate the lead... Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] William "Bill" Graham,Ballinagh Genealogy Researcher > If you look for Grahams in Ballinagh, County Cavan, on the eircom.ie Web > site, you'll find Walter and Sarah (presumably Sadie). > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One of my New Year's resolutions is to help advance genealogy in my ancestors' counties by doing some transcriptions. Since the government project to put the 1911 (and ultimately 1901) census on line seems to be moving very slowly, does anyone know of any private efforts in that direction for those two counties in particular? Diane Culhane

Hello from California... Please help me find Bill and Sadie Graham: How would I locate a local genealogy researcher named William Graham. His last known address (Spring 1993) was Dillagh, Ballinagh, County Cavan. He is in his eighties, his wife's name is Sadie, and they raised 5 children in County Cavan, 2 boys and 3 girls. In the 1990s, Bill Graham helped my cousins Rev. Edward "Joe" Isaac of Millom, England and Marguerite Clayton of Michigan, USA with research on the Hinds families of County Cavan and County Meath and other counties as well. While some of Bill's information has found its way to me, there are documents he mentioned in his letters (wills, land records, parish records) that are missing. Please, if you know how to contact William "Bill" Graham, his wife Sadie, or any one of his children, ask them to contact me directly. It would be terrible to have all his thorough and caring work be lost to our family. Thank you very much... Liz Heaton Brown lizbrown@heatonbrown.com

Margaret asks: === Does anyone on the list have any ideas about (1) Knockahista === Knockakishta townland is just 3 miles due south of the center of Cavan town. This would likely be the proper townland (a script "k" could easily be mistaken for an "h"). Knockakishta means "hill of the treasure" [gr]} Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

I have been trying for some time to find my McGUIRK relations, last known to be living in Cavan, Co Cavan during the First World War c.1917. Today on a random Google, I found mention of a McGuirk House in Knockahista, Cavan, Co Cavan. However, none of the online map finders could locate Knockahista. Does anyone on the list have any ideas about (1) Knockahista, (2) McGuirk House, and (3) the McGuirk family. Any advice appreciated. Margaret Margaret Szalay Sydney, Australia EMAIL: <mailto:mszalay@bigpond.net.au> mszalay@bigpond.net.au

Go to www.seanruad.com If you put in just "knoc" (no quotes), you get these http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch (this link might not give you the list, stick it in your ownself), one of which is this: Looks like it fits the bill, and at least places it in Upper Loughtee, Kilmore. Now, where is it on a map? I don't know! Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Knockakishta 123 Cavan Upper Loughtee Kilmore Cavan Ulster You probably already did this, but just in case -- Did you try a google search for "McGuirk House in Knockahista" (no quotes)? Seems to be a bar consultant / even planner? -- BTW, I always try the "cached" version of a search, because it highlights the search terms so you can find them right away on the results page) http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:fxNcTKp1m50J:www.local.ie/links/cgi-bin/search.cgi%3FisValidated%3DYes%3Bquery%3Dhis%26nh%3D23+McGuirk+House+in+Knockahista&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us McGuirks Bar Consultants Ireland McGuirk's Bar Consultants are stocktaking and event management experts in Ireland. Our digital stock taking system is of the highest standard at very competitive rates. This service includes free estimates nation-wide in Ireland with no obligation. We provide detailed reports on site, which include cost price, sell price and GP etc. Our system leaves no room for error as all stock is quantified with our digital scales, both spirits and kegs. We pride ourselves on this unbeatable service, as every single part of stock is included, right down to the lemons, salt and sugar sachets. Bars that also sell food can avail of a package, which includes food stock taking. Based at McGuirk House, Knockahista, Co. Cavan, Ireland. Phone 049 4372856 Fax 049 4365705, -------------------- Also, putting in "Upper Loughtee Kilmore Cavan" in images brings up a few things you might explore, including some maps; and search just the regular google web, too -- be sure to look at Al Beagan's site in the search results, where he has culled info on Cavan: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:ZCGdqlAobgQJ:al_beagan.tripod.com/tcavan.htm+Upper+Loughtee+Kilmore+Cavan&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us Maybe someone else will pinpoint it more, Nancy

Some of you probably already know this site, but it is new to me so it may be to others. I just loved reading the information. http://www.irelandoldnews.com/index.html Elaine

While I agree that many censuses are off by even up to 4-5 years, and first names and middle names are used alternately, I think it is really risky to assume too much with Irish first names, since this nation seems to Really use the same ten or so first names over and over again! I can't tell you how many times I have gotten excited by seeing a family with the same surname as mine, and they have a Joseph and a James and Mary and a Katherine! and....oh....so does every other family........so I don't think you can say with any surety that the two families are the same. Just my two cents, I have no special knowledge. Also, can you get a look at the original film? Because I had a transcription that showed what seemed to be a Margaret Somebody, yet the other names matched, and when someone explained to me that the transcribers were all using the same film, and mistakes are made because it isn't very legible, when I saw the original, I could see how it was mistakenly transcribed and was indeed my line. (BTW, the only way I saw it was that another researcher who seemed to match my family had gotten a copy of something from CANA House). Nancy

----- Dennis stated: > Elaine, > > Any census record is as questionable as the census taker is. I have found > ages off by 3 years, wrong sex, wrong birth place, or anything else. Go by > the preponderance of the evidence and list every source and its contents > even when you know it is wrong. Hello everyone ! Merry Christmas all! Dennis is "right on"* !! I have the same experience! ( *ok ok That's Canadian slang for being correct in his assessment!) On this side of the pond my experience with various census in Ontario AKA Upper Canada in times of old, is that there are all kinds of errors. Some of the errors are transcribers who, believe me, try hard to be correct and God bless them for their efforts! Always look at original records where possible! Other errors are a result of either the enumerator or the family member in the interview being incorrect. Census anywhere give one an idea of family members at the time of the census, but do not forget that only the people living in the domicile subject to enumeration are included in the census. So children out, living on their own, are not counted etc. Yes errors do occur with spelling, ages, and members missed. A census is a good beginning. One has to research further based on it. That is true here in Ontario and there in Ireland. All the best! Rob McGinn in Thunder Bay, Ontario. Researching Story of County Cavan Cooke of Cavan and Belfast, McGinn of somewhere in Ulster Province.

Elaine, Any census record is as questionable as the census taker is. I have found ages off by 3 years, wrong sex, wrong birth place, or anything else. Go by the preponderance of the evidence and list every source and its contents even when you know it is wrong. Best wishes, Dennis Reiley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Sharp" <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] 1821 County Cavan Census > In the census, I found a family that I believe is ours. BUT...I have one > question..how accurate were these census records? I ask this because the > father, mother and 2 children are correct; however, the first born is > listed > as a girl and the firstborn in our family was a boy! The age is correct. > I > realize there could have been a girl who died later but then where is this > boy that we know lived to later years? > > So, back to my original question.has anyone else found questionable > records > on this census? > > > > Thank you. > > Elaine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This link brings you to an index done by Deborah Annadale http://www.cmcrp.net/OtherCty/Cavan1821-1.htm it is also in the lists archives. It is only a partial census. LDS film 0597155. A friend who lives in Ireland near Cavan copied the original documents for me for my families and they were generally correct. If a child died they named a consequent child by the same name. If the child was old enough they were often employed elsewhere or just staying with relatives. Many regards, Jane Gosselin a5a94630@telus.net

I have no experience with the 1821 census, but ages are often rough approximations in the 1901. Was the missing boy in 1821 old enough to have been sent to live with another family as an apprentice or helper of some sort? In my family a young boy was sent to live with relatives who had no children, and I think that was fairly common. Diane

Elaine, How did you acquire the 1821 Cavan Census? Carrie Hogue --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> wrote: From: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] 1821 County Cavan Census To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 8:47 AM In the census, I found a family that I believe is ours. BUT...I have one question..how accurate were these census records? I ask this because the father, mother and 2 children are correct; however, the first born is listed as a girl and the firstborn in our family was a boy! The age is correct. I realize there could have been a girl who died later but then where is this boy that we know lived to later years? So, back to my original question.has anyone else found questionable records on this census? Thank you. Elaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Diane, for the reply. The children's ages in this census are 1, 2, and 3. Everything else in this census matches except this 3 year old child being a girl instead of a boy. Elaine

In the census, I found a family that I believe is ours. BUT...I have one question..how accurate were these census records? I ask this because the father, mother and 2 children are correct; however, the first born is listed as a girl and the firstborn in our family was a boy! The age is correct. I realize there could have been a girl who died later but then where is this boy that we know lived to later years? So, back to my original question.has anyone else found questionable records on this census? Thank you. Elaine