Sorry, I've missed the original query....the FHC near my home has a Killan film, but not the one mentioned by Diane [926132], its the next film in the series and is noted as having these items : 0926133 - item 2, Killann Parish, Baptisms and marriages, 1835-1849 and 1868-1880. If this film covers what someone may need, please write to me with specific details. Some of the books were horridly filmed, others are in very nice condition and are nicely readable but I don't recall the condition of this film, its been months since I've looked at it. I have access to one Killann film, it covers only the years above. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =======================

Do you have the website for the Irish Times site please? Karen ---- DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: > The Irish Times site shows Killan records are on LDS film 0926132, item 2, > covering years 1835-50 and 1868-80. Cavan Heritage Center has the missing years > if it turns out you need them, but will cost more, of course. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MY CLAN CAME SHORTLY AFTER 1805. When you see these dates two things pop into mind the 1798 rebellion which was protestant and catholic and scared the crown to its heart . look up battle of ballynmuck and secondly robert emmett who was torn assunder and sent to the corners of ireland most catholics came post 1840 Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002)

The Irish Times site shows Killan records are on LDS film 0926132, item 2, covering years 1835-50 and 1868-80. Cavan Heritage Center has the missing years if it turns out you need them, but will cost more, of course. Diane

Here are some ideas about emigration records, based on my own research: For passenger lists in an early (or any) period, I can recommend checking out 2 books: 1) Passenger and Immigration Lists Index - Guide to published arrival records of 500,000 passengers who came to the United States and Canada in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. This is a multi volume set that is available in my public library in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada - Reference: 929.373, P286, 1981, 1982 supplements etc. This is a reference book indexed by name that can lead you to small published sources that you would otherwise miss. I did find 2 references to my great grandmother's family who emigrated from Ireland in 1816, and who arrived in New York City, but wished to go north to Upper Canada. 2) A bibliography of ship, passenger lists 1538-1825. Reference: 929.3, L251 There is also www.theshipslist.com site that may be very helpful. (When I was researching initially, it didn't exist.) Now you can also find there the St. Lawrence Steamboat Passenger records for arrivals at Quebec City for those emigrants who then traveled inland to a different destination. That being said, in the period of which we are speaking of and later also, ships coming to Canada had a return load of good lumber which made the voyage more cost effective and therefore the emigrant fares lower than for ships coming to American ports. This encouraged many who wished to immigrate to the U.S. to come via Canada. If your ancestor came for land in Upper Canada, one other good avenue to check is the Ontario land Records Index in many libraries on microform. Once you get an archival reference from the index, you can get much information from the original application of land, which may include when and where they landed, and where they came from etc.- this information would be available at Library and Archives Canada, perhaps through a paid genealogist researcher? Other provinces may have their own land records indices; however, I don't know for sure. Hope this helps you on your way, Ginny

Seeking CLARK/E family from Killan, formerly Shercock, County Cavan, parish of Baileborough circa 1850. Roman Catholics. Andrew CLARK married to Margaret FARLEY/FARRELLY circa 1826. I know of 3 living sons who came to NYC: Andrew, James, Patrick There were 3 living sisters: Annie who arrived NYC circa 1851, perhaps Catherine, and "Nameless" Circa 1850, Patrick CLARK/E the father, remained in Ireland. His wife, Margaret FARLEY/FARRELLY was deceased. Seeking an leads to cemeteries, churches, and descendants. Barb N of NYC ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=fe bemailfooterNO62)

Another area for 1817 to 1830 Co. Cavan immigrants was to the Cavan Twp. area of Durham Co. Upper Canada. Robert Burns and wife Elinor Henderson arrived in that time period as well as others f rom the Cavan area. Others settled in Emily and Manvers Twp. Victoria Co. as well as Cavan Twp. Pat Smyth (Victoria Co.)

actually some did when deboarding companies in canada would recruit them mining and such Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project In a message dated 2/14/2009 6:06:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, reiley@usol.com writes: Re: the waterways, it is more likely an immigrant would travel from Canada to the US then the other way around. Far more transport occurred from the UK to Canada then from the UK to the US. Because of that passage was far less going to Canada. In fact, my family legend says some of my ancestors family came to the US via Canada from Ireland. 8>) Best, Dennis **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000004)

Re: the waterways, it is more likely an immigrant would travel from Canada to the US then the other way around. Far more transport occurred from the UK to Canada then from the UK to the US. Because of that passage was far less going to Canada. In fact, my family legend says some of my ancestors family came to the US via Canada from Ireland. 8>) Best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <karenhart@maine.rr.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Ken McGuire" <mcguirek@telus.net> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Emigration in 1815-1820 Era > My ancestors also left (possibly) Co. Cavan or (possibly) Co. Armagh)and > they also ended up in Canada, in Bishop's Mills, in what is now southern > Ontario. So I have been wondering about the same thing you are wondering > about, but this was in 1840, just a bit later. I believe there may be no > such records since, after all, these folks were merely traveling between > different parts of the British Empire. But I sure hope someone can tell > me I'm wrong. Another idea that has been suggested is that these folks > landed in what is now the US - perhaps Philadelphia or New York -- and got > to Canada via the waterways. I have no information to prove or disprove > this, and would appreciate any help anyone can give. These ancetors of > mine, Samuel Hart and his new wife Rebecca Kelly Hart, were married in > Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh in 1840 and they left "soon > after." Many thanks to anyone who can shed any light on this. > Karen

My ancestors also left (possibly) Co. Cavan or (possibly) Co. Armagh)and they also ended up in Canada, in Bishop's Mills, in what is now southern Ontario. So I have been wondering about the same thing you are wondering about, but this was in 1840, just a bit later. I believe there may be no such records since, after all, these folks were merely traveling between different parts of the British Empire. But I sure hope someone can tell me I'm wrong. Another idea that has been suggested is that these folks landed in what is now the US - perhaps Philadelphia or New York -- and got to Canada via the waterways. I have no information to prove or disprove this, and would appreciate any help anyone can give. These ancetors of mine, Samuel Hart and his new wife Rebecca Kelly Hart, were married in Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh in 1840 and they left "soon after." Many thanks to anyone who can shed any light on this. Karen ---- Ken McGuire <mcguirek@telus.net> wrote: > I was wondering whether there are any available records of emigration (incl. names) from County Cavan in the 1815 - 1820 period. My McGuire ancestors arrived in Canada (current province of Quebec) during that time and there appears to be several families headed by brothers, Francis, Bernard and Thomas. Francis was a widower - his wife being Mary Farley; Bernard was married to Catherine Ryley. I believe there was quite an exodus in this party of emigrants since many families - related and otherwise - settled the area southeast of Montreal. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And then, on the other hand, many of my Ulster ancestors came from the US ports, purposefully, to New Brunswick, Canada. There were a considerable number from the old world who wanted to come to the Canadas and the Maritime Provinces, and who did, however they found passage. One doesnt hear as much about them so far, but here we are. Plenty of people went up and down the eastern Atlantic coast, both by sea and overland,according to the politics and circumstances of the times. Beverley On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Dennis Reiley <reiley@usol.com> wrote: > Re: the waterways, it is more likely an immigrant would travel from Canada > to the US then the other way around. Far more transport occurred from the > UK > to Canada then from the UK to the US. Because of that passage was far less > going to Canada. In fact, my family legend says some of my ancestors family > came to the US via Canada from Ireland. 8>) > > Best, > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <karenhart@maine.rr.com> > To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Ken McGuire" <mcguirek@telus.net> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:11 PM > Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Emigration in 1815-1820 Era > > > > My ancestors also left (possibly) Co. Cavan or (possibly) Co. Armagh)and > > they also ended up in Canada, in Bishop's Mills, in what is now southern > > Ontario. So I have been wondering about the same thing you are wondering > > about, but this was in 1840, just a bit later. I believe there may be no > > such records since, after all, these folks were merely traveling between > > different parts of the British Empire. But I sure hope someone can tell > > me I'm wrong. Another idea that has been suggested is that these folks > > landed in what is now the US - perhaps Philadelphia or New York -- and > got > > to Canada via the waterways. I have no information to prove or disprove > > this, and would appreciate any help anyone can give. These ancetors of > > mine, Samuel Hart and his new wife Rebecca Kelly Hart, were married in > > Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh in 1840 and they left "soon > > after." Many thanks to anyone who can shed any light on this. > > Karen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Beverley Clarkson Sambro Head, Nova Scotia

I was wondering whether there are any available records of emigration (incl. names) from County Cavan in the 1815 - 1820 period. My McGuire ancestors arrived in Canada (current province of Quebec) during that time and there appears to be several families headed by brothers, Francis, Bernard and Thomas. Francis was a widower - his wife being Mary Farley; Bernard was married to Catherine Ryley. I believe there was quite an exodus in this party of emigrants since many families - related and otherwise - settled the area southeast of Montreal.

Thanks so much for that, Pete. Looks like the place to start would be with the RC church in Bailieborough, since Mary Jane was alive in 1925, so there should still be people around who would know where people from that era were buried. Diane

Diane asks: === Can anyone tell me where someone from Rakeevan might have been buried so I can look for her grave if I ever get back to Ireland? === Well, Diane...... I can try to give some suggestions, but I expect there will be others who will be of more help. Starting with maps and Mitchell's Guide to Irish Churches and Graveyards..............I quickly got into trouble. Rakeevan is immediately SE of Bailieborough town, so the town would seem a good place for cemeteries. There are four churches in the town - RC, C of I, Methodist and probably Presbyterian? I'm not sure about the last church, but there are two Presbyterian cemeteries in the civil parish of Bailieborough. Mitchell lists the RC and the Methodist churches as being in the town, but having no attached graveyards (this should certainly be checked by someone else). The C of I church is located in Drumbannan townland, but this townland extends into the town and this is where the church is located. This church does have an attached cemetery. That would seem to be the only one located in the town, based on Mitchell's book. However, the Discovery map 35 shows a ruined church (Ch. in red) very near the CoI church, to the NW. This might be the cemetery listed by Mitchell, as ruined churches are usually the site of graveyards. I am unsure of this, however, as the site is not mentioned at all in the Archaeological Inventory of County Cavan - and the archaeologists are usually quite scrupulous about ruined churches and such things. Other than the immediate Bailieborough area (and the Presbyterian cemeteries in Lisgar and Urcher townlands), it seems that the next nearest graveyard in the parish would be the one at the ruined parish church in Killan, about 4 miles N of Rakeevan. About 3 miles S of Rakeevan, but in Moybolgue civil parish, there is a burial ground at the late medieval parish church in Relagh Beg townland (and shown on Disc. map 35). I think that's about it. Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

My grandmother's sister Mary Jane (Farrelly) Daniel, born 1877, was living in Rakeevan, Bailieborough, when the last of her 4 children left for America in 1925 (2 had already died and the other 2 emigrated), and her husband Peter had likely died by then as well because her son listed his mother as his nearest relative. I can't find her in the civil death index. Can anyone tell me where someone from Rakeevan might have been buried so I can look for her grave if I ever get back to Ireland? Many thanks. Diane in Illinois

You might try looking in Monaghan. See the RUTHERFORDs in my family tree. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Crawley" <kimcrawl@windstream.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Rutherford >I am searching for any records concerning James Rutherford born in County >Cavan June15, 1803. Migrated to America. Father of James Rutherford, Jr. >who migrated to Australia and is known for his success in the Cobb and >Company Stagecoach Line. Also father of my g/g/grandfather, Robert Bruce >Rutherford, rancher in Iowa. > > His wife's name was Hetty Milligan from Hunterdon, N.J. >

I am searching for any records concerning James Rutherford born in County Cavan June15, 1803. Migrated to America. Father of James Rutherford, Jr. who migrated to Australia and is known for his success in the Cobb and Company Stagecoach Line. Also father of my g/g/grandfather, Robert Bruce Rutherford, rancher in Iowa. His wife's name was Hetty Milligan from Hunterdon, N.J.

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RILEY + 2 Edward DENNEN Descendancy chart to this point b. 5 Apr 1889 Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project In a message dated 1/23/2009 3:33:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, denning-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dennings from Western Wisconsin (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:13:55 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DENNING] Dennings from Western Wisconsin To: <DENNING-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1232658836.676944@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cjdick3 Surnames: DENNING, MAHAN, FEURY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.denning/55.89.93.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The father in this case was Francis DENNING (1849-1878), married to Ellen Elizabeth MAHAN (1847-1923). Their children were John Henry (1870-1952), Amelia Ann (1871-1937), Lucenda Katherine (1872- ), William Francis (1874-1958), Marie Margaret (1875-1962), and Eleanor Elizabeth (1877-1953). 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Made a photocopy of a COOTS Death from an LDS film, there were others on the page, here are all of them. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ================ Surnames : OLWELL STEWART COCHRANE CAMPBELL COOTS BRADY 1870 Deaths, District of Bailieboro, Union of Bailieboro, County of Cavan volume 17, page 260, partial page : Entry #163 - 5 Nov, 1870 at Lisnalee. Bridget OLWELL, Spinster, 28y, Daughter of a Farmer. Died of consumption, 1 1/2 years. No medical attendant. Informant was Terene OLWELL of Lisnalee. Entry #164 - 3 Nov, 1870 at Galboley. Andrew STEWART, Married, 71y, a Gentleman [and?] Farmer. Died of Effusion on the Chest, 4 hours. Information secured from John MACFADIN, Coroner for the County of Cavan. [Column specifically showed "Gentleman Farmer" with one word atop the other] Entry #165 - 1 Nov, 1870 at Greaghlaugh. John COCHRANE, Married, 66y, a Farmer. Died of Chronic Disease of the Liver, 6 month. Informant was Mary Anne COCHRANE of Greaghlaugh. Entry #166 - 11 Nov, 1870 at Brachlin. Mary CAMPBELL, Widow, 72y, Servant. Died of Injuries received from a Cow. Informant was John McILWAIN residing Lower Bracklin. Entry #167 - 5 Oct, 1870 at Cleffin, Sarah Jane COOTS, Spinster, 22y, the Daughter of a Farmer. Died of Fever, 12 days. Informant was James COOTS residing Cleffin. Entry #168 - 5 Nov, 1870 at Lisnabantry? Matthew BRADY, Widower, 80y a Farmer. Died of General Debility. Informant was John BRADY residing Lisnabantry? [I've guessed Lisnabantry as the printer cut off what may have been a Y at the end. The rest looks correct] ----------------------

The indexes to the Civil BMD registers have been uploaded to the LDS Pilot site at... http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/#p=0 They include all Ireland 1845 ­ 1921 and Republic of Ireland 1922 ­ 1958. You can view the original index entries free of charge. Diane