I have a page titled CENSUS OF IRELAND FOR THE YEAR 1981. [PROVINCE OF ULSTER. It has 1028 in the upper left corner. The subtitle is "Antrim occupies pp. 1-168; Armagh, 169-250; Cavan, 251-346; Donegal, 347-466; Dosey?/Dorey?/Doney?, 467-578 The Column Headings are four sets of these three headings in each set: Index Number to Electoral Divisions. Townlands and Towns. Page. And one of the entries is: Index Number to Electoral Divisions 524 Townlands and Towns Clontyduffy (Hart) Page 274 I need help please as I try to understand this. Here are my questions: 1. What is the meaning of the name Hart in parentheses? There only one other on the page in parentheses. It is immediately after the Clontyduffy (Hart) entry and it is: Index Number to Electoral Divisions 524 Townlands and Towns Clontyduffy (Nugent) Page 274 Does this possibly mean that there were two families in the town of Clontyduffy, one Hart and one Nugent? 2. What is the purpose of this list? It appears to say that on page 274 of (something) I can find out (something) about Clontyduffy (Hart). That is confusing to me. Does anyone else know how to translate that? At the bottom there is an address that apparently indicates that this came from a website. It is http://www.eppi.ac.uk/ImageRep02/eppi/derived/jpeg1200//1880_1899/00363380%23vol_1892-1892_0092-0092_sv001/p0001032.jpg Can anyone tell me what this means? And is the information valid? There is a handwritten note on my copy which says http://www.eppi.ac/ulc/eppi/digbib/ssearch which must have been where this was found. Does anyone know what eppi is? 3. And does anyone know what this indicates, if anything, about the name Hart? 4. Is Clontyduffy a townland? Why would the name Hart be in parentheses there? What county is Clontyfduffy in? Many thanks for any help you can provide. Karen

Can anyone give me information or advice about finding details of the family background of:: Hugh NESBITT married Agnes Anne RICHARDSON (around 1850), and Anne NESBITT married John SHERRIT in 1853 (migrated to Australia in 1854). I believe that they were all from Knockbride (or nearby) Hugh & Anne also migrated to Austyralia bit I do not have a date for that yet. Tony O'Grady Melbourne Australia.

IS there anyone who can help me find an e-list similar to this one, but for Co. Armagh? Thanks for any help you can provide. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > Sharon- I look forward to any connection you might make with Jacksons in > Co. > Cavan. James birth was about 1786. Jane and |Elizabeth Richmonds births > were > about 1786. > > John Jackson, James brother was born about 1775 to 1780 > "Drumhow Parish near Belturbet" He was a weaver. He joined the Cavan > militia in 1807 in Capt Nesbitt's Co. and then Capt. Moore.He was a > Corporal > in 1807 and a recruiter. In Oct 1807 he joined Second Battalion of the > Regiment of Foot. He was discharged in 1816 and in Canada West by 1821. > > Thanks Peter- Rahillan-Rahelen. > > Heidi, I am unaware of a teacher connection with Jacksons or Hylands > One idea was that Jane and Elizabewth worked at " the Castle_"? > By 1850 there were a number of Richmond families in or near Durham Co. > Canada West > James and John Hyland were in Cartwright Twp. Durham Co. in 1850. Other > Hylands were in Ottawa and Ki8ngston area. I will send you a list of > them. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <irl-cavan-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:00 AM > Subject: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (PeteScherm@aol.com) >> 2. Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (Heidi Girton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:57:05 EDT >> From: PeteScherm@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >> To: s.brown@dccnet.com, irl-cavan@rootsweb.com >> Cc: rpsmyth@nexicom.net >> Message-ID: <bf1.4ca045ca.36f354d1@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Sharon writes: >> >> === I don't have a clue where Rahillan is relative to Belturbet or >> Belcoo, >> but I am guessing that ever erudite Pete might step up to the plate on >> this >> one. === >> >> Sharon, >> >> I'm going to assume that the 1761 Rahillan is now known as Raheelan. >> This >> townland is just a mile and a half due north of Belturbet town, in >> Drumlane >> civil parish. >> >> >> Ever Erudite Pete, >> .................................................... >> Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western >> Massachusetts >> </HTML> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:14 -0800 >> From: Heidi Girton <heidiag@gci.net> >> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <ECE61C09A00F4D7EB8321D7C7A3C402E@LenaWanderPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Pat - I think that we have been in touch before regarding Richmonds. >> Last >> summer I went to Ireland with my cousin and spent a month looking for >> Richmonds and Moores. Since then I haven't had much time to process the >> volumes of notes, but the unrelated Richmonds we found in Cavan were >> teachers. Did teaching run in either the Jackson or Hyland families? >> >> So what we did find for sure is that our Francis Richmond Jr (1806-1879) >> who married Susan Moore, was the son of Francis Richmond Sr (abt 1771 - 9 >> May 1854) and Jane Unknown. The Richmond graves in Belturbet were mass >> graves so didn't have any markings except for "RICHMOND". Francis's >> siblings were Jane (married Thomas Kellett), Alice, Alicia, and Barbara. >> >> Now, I am thinking, since we found very few Richmonds in our search, >> maybe >> your Jane and Elizabeth were Francis Sr's sisters. Do you have any >> information on the twins? Would you like to exchange information either >> on this list or directly? >> >> I will try to get going on my notes. My cousin will really appreciate >> this! Heidi >> >> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:18:35 -0400 >> From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> >> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <F4F8AB99133B4960BBCF501EBE43AD45@PatPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND >> >> I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife >> Jane >> Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, >> Charles, >> Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. >> The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. >> Ontario. >> The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. >> >> Pat Smyth in Ontario >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to >> IRL-CAVAN-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to >> IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 >> **************************************** >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon- I look forward to any connection you might make with Jacksons in Co. Cavan. James birth was about 1786. Jane and |Elizabeth Richmonds births were about 1786. John Jackson, James brother was born about 1775 to 1780 "Drumhow Parish near Belturbet" He was a weaver. He joined the Cavan militia in 1807 in Capt Nesbitt's Co. and then Capt. Moore.He was a Corporal in 1807 and a recruiter. In Oct 1807 he joined Second Battalion of the Regiment of Foot. He was discharged in 1816 and in Canada West by 1821. Thanks Peter- Rahillan-Rahelen. Heidi, I am unaware of a teacher connection with Jacksons or Hylands One idea was that Jane and Elizabewth worked at " the Castle_"? By 1850 there were a number of Richmond families in or near Durham Co. Canada West James and John Hyland were in Cartwright Twp. Durham Co. in 1850. Other Hylands were in Ottawa and Ki8ngston area. I will send you a list of them. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-cavan-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:00 AM Subject: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (PeteScherm@aol.com) > 2. Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (Heidi Girton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:57:05 EDT > From: PeteScherm@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 > To: s.brown@dccnet.com, irl-cavan@rootsweb.com > Cc: rpsmyth@nexicom.net > Message-ID: <bf1.4ca045ca.36f354d1@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sharon writes: > > === I don't have a clue where Rahillan is relative to Belturbet or > Belcoo, > but I am guessing that ever erudite Pete might step up to the plate on > this > one. === > > Sharon, > > I'm going to assume that the 1761 Rahillan is now known as Raheelan. This > townland is just a mile and a half due north of Belturbet town, in > Drumlane > civil parish. > > > Ever Erudite Pete, > .................................................... > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > Massachusetts > </HTML> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:14 -0800 > From: Heidi Girton <heidiag@gci.net> > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 > To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ECE61C09A00F4D7EB8321D7C7A3C402E@LenaWanderPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Pat - I think that we have been in touch before regarding Richmonds. Last > summer I went to Ireland with my cousin and spent a month looking for > Richmonds and Moores. Since then I haven't had much time to process the > volumes of notes, but the unrelated Richmonds we found in Cavan were > teachers. Did teaching run in either the Jackson or Hyland families? > > So what we did find for sure is that our Francis Richmond Jr (1806-1879) > who married Susan Moore, was the son of Francis Richmond Sr (abt 1771 - 9 > May 1854) and Jane Unknown. The Richmond graves in Belturbet were mass > graves so didn't have any markings except for "RICHMOND". Francis's > siblings were Jane (married Thomas Kellett), Alice, Alicia, and Barbara. > > Now, I am thinking, since we found very few Richmonds in our search, maybe > your Jane and Elizabeth were Francis Sr's sisters. Do you have any > information on the twins? Would you like to exchange information either > on this list or directly? > > I will try to get going on my notes. My cousin will really appreciate > this! Heidi > > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:18:35 -0400 > From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 > To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F4F8AB99133B4960BBCF501EBE43AD45@PatPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND > > I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife > Jane > Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, > Charles, > Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. > The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. > Ontario. > The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. > > Pat Smyth in Ontario > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > **************************************** > >

Dear Karen, go on to rootsweb site & you'll find it - I forget quite how. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <KarenHart@maine.rr.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > IS there anyone who can help me find an e-list similar to this one, but > for > Co. Armagh? > Thanks for any help you can provide. > Karen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> > To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > > >> Sharon- I look forward to any connection you might make with Jacksons in >> Co. >> Cavan. James birth was about 1786. Jane and |Elizabeth Richmonds births >> were >> about 1786. >> >> John Jackson, James brother was born about 1775 to 1780 >> "Drumhow Parish near Belturbet" He was a weaver. He joined the Cavan >> militia in 1807 in Capt Nesbitt's Co. and then Capt. Moore.He was a >> Corporal >> in 1807 and a recruiter. In Oct 1807 he joined Second Battalion of the >> Regiment of Foot. He was discharged in 1816 and in Canada West by 1821. >> >> Thanks Peter- Rahillan-Rahelen. >> >> Heidi, I am unaware of a teacher connection with Jacksons or Hylands >> One idea was that Jane and Elizabewth worked at " the Castle_"? >> By 1850 there were a number of Richmond families in or near Durham Co. >> Canada West >> James and John Hyland were in Cartwright Twp. Durham Co. in 1850. Other >> Hylands were in Ottawa and Ki8ngston area. I will send you a list of >> them. >> Pat >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <irl-cavan-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:00 AM >> Subject: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 >> >> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (PeteScherm@aol.com) >>> 2. Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 (Heidi Girton) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:57:05 EDT >>> From: PeteScherm@aol.com >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >>> To: s.brown@dccnet.com, irl-cavan@rootsweb.com >>> Cc: rpsmyth@nexicom.net >>> Message-ID: <bf1.4ca045ca.36f354d1@aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>> >>> Sharon writes: >>> >>> === I don't have a clue where Rahillan is relative to Belturbet or >>> Belcoo, >>> but I am guessing that ever erudite Pete might step up to the plate on >>> this >>> one. === >>> >>> Sharon, >>> >>> I'm going to assume that the 1761 Rahillan is now known as Raheelan. >>> This >>> townland is just a mile and a half due north of Belturbet town, in >>> Drumlane >>> civil parish. >>> >>> >>> Ever Erudite Pete, >>> .................................................... >>> Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western >>> Massachusetts >>> </HTML> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:19:14 -0800 >>> From: Heidi Girton <heidiag@gci.net> >>> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >>> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <ECE61C09A00F4D7EB8321D7C7A3C402E@LenaWanderPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> Pat - I think that we have been in touch before regarding Richmonds. >>> Last >>> summer I went to Ireland with my cousin and spent a month looking for >>> Richmonds and Moores. Since then I haven't had much time to process the >>> volumes of notes, but the unrelated Richmonds we found in Cavan were >>> teachers. Did teaching run in either the Jackson or Hyland families? >>> >>> So what we did find for sure is that our Francis Richmond Jr (1806-1879) >>> who married Susan Moore, was the son of Francis Richmond Sr (abt 1771 - >>> 9 >>> May 1854) and Jane Unknown. The Richmond graves in Belturbet were mass >>> graves so didn't have any markings except for "RICHMOND". Francis's >>> siblings were Jane (married Thomas Kellett), Alice, Alicia, and Barbara. >>> >>> Now, I am thinking, since we found very few Richmonds in our search, >>> maybe >>> your Jane and Elizabeth were Francis Sr's sisters. Do you have any >>> information on the twins? Would you like to exchange information either >>> on this list or directly? >>> >>> I will try to get going on my notes. My cousin will really appreciate >>> this! Heidi >>> >>> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:18:35 -0400 >>> From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> >>> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 >>> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <F4F8AB99133B4960BBCF501EBE43AD45@PatPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND >>> >>> I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife >>> Jane >>> Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, >>> Charles, >>> Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. >>> The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. >>> Ontario. >>> The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. >>> >>> Pat Smyth in Ontario >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to >>> IRL-CAVAN-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to >>> IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 >>> **************************************** >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Dear Peter, I can reply off list if you like. I have a great swat of files, but not organized in the way that would be helpful to most. When I get back from Ireland, I will organize them and share them with everyone. I am just running out of time. I do plan to be in Cavan - albeit briefly. Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 > Sharon- I look forward to any connection you might make with Jacksons in > Co. > Cavan. James birth was about 1786. Jane and |Elizabeth Richmonds births > were > about 1786. > > John Jackson, James brother was born about 1775 to 1780 > "Drumhow Parish near Belturbet" He was a weaver. He joined the Cavan > militia in 1807 in Capt Nesbitt's Co. and then Capt. Moore.He was a > Corporal > in 1807 and a recruiter. In Oct 1807 he joined Second Battalion of the > Regiment of Foot. He was discharged in 1816 and in Canada West by 1821. > > Thanks Peter- Rahillan-Rahelen. > > Heidi, I am unaware of a teacher connection with Jacksons or Hylands > One idea was that Jane and Elizabewth worked at " the Castle_"? > By 1850 there were a number of Richmond families in or near Durham Co. > Canada West > James and John Hyland were in Cartwright Twp. Durham Co. in 1850. Other > Hylands were in Ottawa and Ki8ngston area. I will send you a list of > them. > Pat

what you can learn from genetic genealogy i always believed my people came from or thru england to scotland wales to ireland Cavan /longford with lady forbes then to chelsea. the problem was what paperwork gets me there. I am still in ireland 1775ish. well this lady tested her dad he matched me totally so at some point both our relatives lived in the same house Bishop Burton Yorkshire England her name is Dunning. Dennings do live in Bishop Burton Yorkshire England Also now we wait for more people to test and match us. paperwork is exchanged and the tree grows. But it doesn't end there way paste attainable paper is this from genetics from _http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=1196.0_ (http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=1196.0) Hi Jim, Your haplotype is more distant from the V13 modal than average, but we know from your SNP test that you are indeed V13. This suggests that your line separated from the modal a long time ago and has had time to accumulate a relatively large number of one step mutations. It has occurred to me that there was a degree of mixing among the Keltoi and the Thracians that is documented archaeologically along the border between their cultural regions. Perhaps your ancestor in the Balkans was on the Celtic speaking side of that line. We really can't know that for sure, of course, but it is entirely reasonable. Even the Scordiski (Celtic speakers) might have intermingled with the Illyrians, Dacians or Thracians along the Vardar-Morava river corridor. That would place your V13 line in the same general region as everyone else's, but speaking Celtic rather than Dacian, for example. Anyway, a more distant haplotype is usually called "old" just to indicate that it is further from the modal. It could be just a statistical artifact too. Either way, yours is one of the furthest from the 67 haplotype modal. Best regards, Steve Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

Pat - I think that we have been in touch before regarding Richmonds. Last summer I went to Ireland with my cousin and spent a month looking for Richmonds and Moores. Since then I haven't had much time to process the volumes of notes, but the unrelated Richmonds we found in Cavan were teachers. Did teaching run in either the Jackson or Hyland families? So what we did find for sure is that our Francis Richmond Jr (1806-1879) who married Susan Moore, was the son of Francis Richmond Sr (abt 1771 - 9 May 1854) and Jane Unknown. The Richmond graves in Belturbet were mass graves so didn't have any markings except for "RICHMOND". Francis's siblings were Jane (married Thomas Kellett), Alice, Alicia, and Barbara. Now, I am thinking, since we found very few Richmonds in our search, maybe your Jane and Elizabeth were Francis Sr's sisters. Do you have any information on the twins? Would you like to exchange information either on this list or directly? I will try to get going on my notes. My cousin will really appreciate this! Heidi Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:18:35 -0400 From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F4F8AB99133B4960BBCF501EBE43AD45@PatPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife Jane Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, Charles, Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. Ontario. The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. Pat Smyth in Ontario

Sharon writes: === I don't have a clue where Rahillan is relative to Belturbet or Belcoo, but I am guessing that ever erudite Pete might step up to the plate on this one. === Sharon, I'm going to assume that the 1761 Rahillan is now known as Raheelan. This townland is just a mile and a half due north of Belturbet town, in Drumlane civil parish. Ever Erudite Pete, .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Thanks, yes, I think I remember knowing that at one time. Bummer! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLCulhane@cs.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1864 Marriage, Farrelly & Clarke Registration data > Civil registration of Protestant marriages started in 1845 (Catholic in > 1864), a little too late for you. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife Jane Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, Charles, Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. Ontario. The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. Pat Smyth in Ontario

Karen - Diane is right. Civil Registration with all this information on bride and groom began in 1864 for Births, Marriages and Deaths. However, if you were Protestant in 1845 [the official church of Ireland at the time] Marriages [not births or deaths] were mandated to be officially Registered beginning 1845 and used pretty much the same format as seen in the FARRELLY entry posted earlier. Under the column saying 'Condition' the clerk wrote "Young Man" when he should have written "Bachelor". This was still a fairly new procedure as of 1 Jan, 1864, the entry I posted was Feb 9, so he had still not been told what should be written in that column. He got the bride right, she was a "Spinster", someone who was not married. The best you'll find in 1840 is a line entry in a Marriage or Banns book. Armagh county has some Marriage / Banns books filmed by the LDS church but you must know the religion, it helps greatly to know the specific church and a date or range of years to search through. Each church kept its own books and only some have been filmed. MegG ======================

Dear Pat, I am putting together a database of all the JACKSONs I know about in Ireland in the 1700s (it is a rather clumsy way of trying to narrow down potential leads for my lot). I can't help you much as yet, but I'll keep your email and let you know if and when I learn more. A James JACKSON, Henry JACKSON and Robert JACKSON all show up in Cavan at Rahillan in the 1761 Poll book as freeholders. Do you have an estimated or known birth date for any of your JACKSONs? Right off the top of my head, I don't have a clue where Rahillan is relative to Belturbet or Belcoo, but I am guessing that ever erudite Pete might step up to the plate on this one. Good luck! Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&PSmyth" <rpsmyth@nexicom.net> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Jackson, Richmond Belturbet area c 1800 > JAMES JACKSON/JANE RICHMOND > > I am searching for the family of James Jackson( brother John) his wife > Jane > Richmond (twin Elizabeth Richmond Hyland) and their children: John, > Charles, > Robert, Jane Eleanor, Elizabeth, Sarah. > The family emigrated with several other families in 1817 to Cavan Twp. > Ontario. > The Jacksons were likely born near Belcoo or Belturbet. > > Pat Smyth in Ontario

Civil registration of Protestant marriages started in 1845 (Catholic in 1864), a little too late for you. Diane

Does anyone know if there is similar information available for a church in Co. Armagh? I need to find my ancestor's marriage in 1840 in Clare Presbyterian Church in Co. Armagh. Many thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <scotquester@bartnet.net> To: "Declan Barron" <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net>; <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] 1864 Marriage, Farrelly & Clarke Registration data > Babara - The FHC were I volunteer as a non-churchmember has both the > INDEX series of films and some of the actual REGISTRATION film. They > happen to have the right films for this Registration ! > > 1864 Marriage, volume 2 page 553 > > The film for Volume 2 shows this entry on page 553, its the same > document you'd get if you ordered from the GRO in Roscommon : > > 1864 Marriages solemnized at the Roman Catholic Chapel of St. Ann's > Bailieboro in the Registrar's district of Bailieboro in the Union of > Bailieboro in the County of Cavan. Entry #9, 9th February, 1864. John > Farelly, Full Age, Young Man, Farmer Residing Corlea son of John > Farelly, Farmer. Bridget Clarke, Full Age, a Spinster, Servant residing > Crossmakulen? daughter of Michael Clarke, Farmer. Married in the Roman > Catholic Chapel of St. Ann's Bailieboro according to the Rites and > Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by me, Frances O'Reilly, P.P. > This Marriage was Solemnized between us, [names and their Marks] in the > Presence of John Connell and Judith Lynch. > > Reply to me if you wish a photocopy of this entry in Volume 2, 1864 > Marriages, Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > ====================== > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

IHi, The easiest way is you can sent for a photocopy of the original entry for 6 Euro from http://www.groireland.ie/docs/DeathEnglishApp.doc Declan ----- Original Message ----- From: <MizScarlettNY@aol.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] 1864 Marriage= Farrelly & Clarke > On the LDS site I found an Irish marriage and I would like to order a copy > of > it. Please advise me where I might do this online for: > > Marriage: 09 FEB 1864 Bailieborough, Cavan, Ireland > Husband: JOHN FARRELLY Pedigree > Wife: BRIDGET CLARKE Pedigree > > Thank you from the wearin' of the green folks in NY. > Barbara > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3944 (20090317) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

Babara - The FHC were I volunteer as a non-churchmember has both the INDEX series of films and some of the actual REGISTRATION film. They happen to have the right films for this Registration ! 1864 Marriage, volume 2 page 553 The film for Volume 2 shows this entry on page 553, its the same document you'd get if you ordered from the GRO in Roscommon : 1864 Marriages solemnized at the Roman Catholic Chapel of St. Ann's Bailieboro in the Registrar's district of Bailieboro in the Union of Bailieboro in the County of Cavan. Entry #9, 9th February, 1864. John Farelly, Full Age, Young Man, Farmer Residing Corlea son of John Farelly, Farmer. Bridget Clarke, Full Age, a Spinster, Servant residing Crossmakulen? daughter of Michael Clarke, Farmer. Married in the Roman Catholic Chapel of St. Ann's Bailieboro according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by me, Frances O'Reilly, P.P. This Marriage was Solemnized between us, [names and their Marks] in the Presence of John Connell and Judith Lynch. Reply to me if you wish a photocopy of this entry in Volume 2, 1864 Marriages, Ireland. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ====================== >

On the LDS site I found an Irish marriage and I would like to order a copy of it. Please advise me where I might do this online for: Marriage: 09 FEB 1864 Bailieborough, Cavan, Ireland Husband: JOHN FARRELLY Pedigree Wife: BRIDGET CLARKE Pedigree Thank you from the wearin' of the green folks in NY. Barbara ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)

http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ Church Marriage Farrelly John 1864 Co. Cavan Church Marriage Farrelly John 1864 Co. Cavan There are 2 there are a lot of Bridget Clarkes The index to the genealogy records is freely available for researchers to search online (subject to our terms and conditions). To view an individual detail genealogy record you will need to purchase credit at a cost of €5.00 per record. You can then print them out. Many regards Jane, Jane Gosselin a5a94630@telus.net

Seeking parentage & birth information for Susannah McGOVERN, who was born c. 1841 and arrived at Fremantle, Western Australia, from Ireland. Listed as a servant & arrived 6/4/1859. She married Jonathan BOWRON 5/6/1859 at Beverley, Western Australia. Marriage certificate states father's name as Thomas McGOVERN. Yvonne