Excellent job Diane. In addition to askaboutireland.ie for Griffith's, I also continue to use http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php for alternative searching capability. And a good intro to Irish genealogy by Grenham can be found here -> http://www.gov.ie/en/essays/genealogy.html And I wish I had ancestors from Clare, because the clarelibrary.ie site is fantastic! John On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:38 AM, <DLCulhane@cs.com> wrote: > I posted the following tips on a message board in response to a request and > it was suggested that I post them to mailing lists, too, so here goes. > Additions more than welcome (and apologies to those who will get this > several > times)! > > Diane > > Good Irish Genealogy Web Sites and Books > > Failteromhat.com has lots of useful information, including Griffith's > index. Quick way to determine where names were most common in mid-19th > century. > > Askaboutireland.ie has Griffith's pages and maps. > > Irish-roots.ie lets you search civil and church records indexes, more being > added regularly. Have to pay to see actual entries, so I use to narrow > possibilities, then get entries from LDS or GRO (don't trust transcriptions > on > line, as can have errors). > > Irishtimes.com/ancestor has lots of great information. I use it mostly for > finding what records exist for various Catholic parishes. If LDS haven't > filmed, National Library of Ireland often has and you can pay a researcher > to > search. County heritage centers are another, but expensive, avenue, but > I've > had very mixed results. > > Groireland.ie is for ordering civil records that haven't been filmed by the > LDS. > > Nationalarchives.ie gradually putting 1911 Irish census on line. Both 1911 > and 1901 should be on line by end of 2009. > > Leitrim-roscommon.com has lots of information for more than just Leitrim > and Roscommon. > > Familysearch.org good for searching IGI (under Advanced Search) and Record > Search pilot (all civil indexes are supposed to be on there, but I've found > not complete), as well as library catalog. > > If you have any Clare ancestors, clarelibrary.ie is wonderful. > > Grenham's Tracing Your Irish Ancestors very useful for getting the lay of > the Irish genealogy land. > > Mitchell's New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland helpful for converting civil > parishes in Griffith's to RC parishes, as well as for figuring out civil > registration districts. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I posted the following tips on a message board in response to a request and it was suggested that I post them to mailing lists, too, so here goes. Additions more than welcome (and apologies to those who will get this several times)! Diane Good Irish Genealogy Web Sites and Books Failteromhat.com has lots of useful information, including Griffith's index. Quick way to determine where names were most common in mid-19th century. Askaboutireland.ie has Griffith's pages and maps. Irish-roots.ie lets you search civil and church records indexes, more being added regularly. Have to pay to see actual entries, so I use to narrow possibilities, then get entries from LDS or GRO (don't trust transcriptions on line, as can have errors). Irishtimes.com/ancestor has lots of great information. I use it mostly for finding what records exist for various Catholic parishes. If LDS haven't filmed, National Library of Ireland often has and you can pay a researcher to search. County heritage centers are another, but expensive, avenue, but I've had very mixed results. Groireland.ie is for ordering civil records that haven't been filmed by the LDS. Nationalarchives.ie gradually putting 1911 Irish census on line. Both 1911 and 1901 should be on line by end of 2009. Leitrim-roscommon.com has lots of information for more than just Leitrim and Roscommon. Familysearch.org good for searching IGI (under Advanced Search) and Record Search pilot (all civil indexes are supposed to be on there, but I've found not complete), as well as library catalog. If you have any Clare ancestors, clarelibrary.ie is wonderful. Grenham's Tracing Your Irish Ancestors very useful for getting the lay of the Irish genealogy land. Mitchell's New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland helpful for converting civil parishes in Griffith's to RC parishes, as well as for figuring out civil registration districts.

HI DIANE !! THANK YOU VERY MUCH ! I WILL INDEED LOOK INTO GETIING THESE RECORDS... Especailly the death records.... /thanks again !!! /Marie On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM , DLCulhane@cs.com wrote: > Marie, Loughduff is in Granard registration district. The civil index > on the familysearch site shows the marriage of John Curdden and Ann > Sheals registered in Granard in 1874, vol. 8, p. 163. John's death > registered April-June 1896, vol. 3, p. 112, Ann's death Jan.-March > 1916, vol. 3, p. 121. With this information you can get the marriage > and death records from the GRO for 4 euros apiece. Go to > groireland.ie, download the forms, and send in with your credit card > number. Takes about 3 weeks. > > Diane > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marie, Loughduff is in Granard registration district. The civil index on the familysearch site shows the marriage of John Curdden and Ann Sheals registered in Granard in 1874, vol. 8, p. 163. John's death registered April-June 1896, vol. 3, p. 112, Ann's death Jan.-March 1916, vol. 3, p. 121. With this information you can get the marriage and death records from the GRO for 4 euros apiece. Go to groireland.ie, download the forms, and send in with your credit card number. Takes about 3 weeks. Diane

Diane, Thank you for the name translation. Glad some of our old Latin teachers are smiling.... mine are probably thinking their time could have better spent! Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: DLCulhane@cs.com<mailto:DLCulhane@cs.com> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Birth & , Marriage info for Blackstep,Knockbride Terentio would be Terence. F probably stands for both filius (son) and filia (daughter). (Somewhere my old Latin teachers are smiling.) Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for the death records of my great grandparents. JOHN CRUDDEN- husband of Anne Sheil died before 1901 [ as in the 1901 census Anne was listed as 'widow'] ANNE {SHEIL} CRUDDEN - widow of JoHN died after 1911. In the 1911 census still living. They came from Loughdavan -loughduff area of County Cavan Much thanks Marie McShane

Terentio would be Terence. F probably stands for both filius (son) and filia (daughter). (Somewhere my old Latin teachers are smiling.) Diane

Joanne - yes, I meant Ireland, had been doing some lookups in Scotland that I'm replying to today....my fingers kept typing Scotland when the brain said Ireland.....MegG Joanne Mack wrote: > Meg, > I can't thank you enough! I look forward to receiving the images. I am puzzled by your statement" so I suspect it's a name like Eugene though its unusual for Scotland"..why the reference to Scotland? Did you mean Ireland ? Interesting though, my Great grandfather, son to John & Ellen was named Alfred Eugene. Thank you again, your TIME & EFFORT IS GREATLY APPRCIATED. Joanne > >

Received the images. Thank you... and yes, Joanne my fingers often get ahead of my brain! l'll see what I can figure out..... my high school Latin is REALLY rusty. ----- Original Message ----- From: Meg Greenwood<mailto:scotquester@bartnet.net> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Birth & , Marriage info for Blackstep,Knockbride Joanne - yes, I meant Ireland, had been doing some lookups in Scotland that I'm replying to today....my fingers kept typing Scotland when the brain said Ireland.....MegG Joanne Mack wrote: > Meg, > I can't thank you enough! I look forward to receiving the images. I am puzzled by your statement" so I suspect it's a name like Eugene though its unusual for Scotland"..why the reference to Scotland? Did you mean Ireland ? Interesting though, my Great grandfather, son to John & Ellen was named Alfred Eugene. Thank you again, your TIME & EFFORT IS GREATLY APPRCIATED. Joanne > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Knockbride OPRs were filmed beginning 1835. So the 1813 birth won't be found. The film contains : Baptisms, marriages and deaths, 1835-1860. Film #926133 I did find the 1838 marriage of John and Ellen, writing is really badly deteriorated but with knowledge of what it says, you can pick out the words. There were no parents, no residence or farmland name, but there are 2 witnesses. The text is in Latin which I studied way too long ago, but have seen enough latin texts like these to recognize some given names. The Birth in 1839 is likewise.....hardly readable and in Latin. There is actually more information in the entry, however its mostly illegible. I've made copies digitally and also with the copy machine set at differing darknesses. Can send them as digital images. They will arrive from a different eMail address, the default eMail on the machine where the pictures are held is different than mine but the server is the same. The subject line will identify them clearly. The microfilmed images ware done in the negative. More words seem to be legible if shot that way. I did the photocopies in the positive, so some are dark to see the center of the page, others much lighter to see into the shadowy margins where other words are. The Marriage entry reads : 1 March, 1838 In Mat'm Conjuxi Johanium Duffy et Elenoram Carrol coram Terentio? Duffy et Hugam Duffy Conjunxi is ' joined ' and Coram is ' in the presence of ' The name Terentio is extremely hard to decipher and may begin with an F....but Ferentio is just as puzzling. The birth entry of Catherine is even more deteriorated : 6 March 1839 B Cathrannam F Johannus Duffy et Elen--- Carroll Eug?----? [2-3 more illegible words run together into blackened margin]. The rest of the page is hard to read but ' Eug--- ' is not among the usual words, so I suspect its a name like Eugene though its unusual for Scotland. Perhaps its a witness or presenter of the child. Every entry had the ' F ' which I thought referred to the latin word for ' son '. However, both male and female infants had this letter immediately after their given name. I'll send the JPGs since you probably wish to look at the images. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =================

Hi and thanks for address Regards pj

Meg, I can't thank you enough! I look forward to receiving the images. I am puzzled by your statement" so I suspect it's a name like Eugene though its unusual for Scotland"..why the reference to Scotland? Did you mean Ireland ? Interesting though, my Great grandfather, son to John & Ellen was named Alfred Eugene. Thank you again, your TIME & EFFORT IS GREATLY APPRCIATED. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Meg Greenwood<mailto:scotquester@bartnet.net> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Birth & , Marriage info for Blackstep,Knockbride Knockbride OPRs were filmed beginning 1835. So the 1813 birth won't be found. The film contains : Baptisms, marriages and deaths, 1835-1860. Film #926133 I did find the 1838 marriage of John and Ellen, writing is really badly deteriorated but with knowledge of what it says, you can pick out the words. There were no parents, no residence or farmland name, but there are 2 witnesses. The text is in Latin which I studied way too long ago, but have seen enough latin texts like these to recognize some given names. The Birth in 1839 is likewise.....hardly readable and in Latin. There is actually more information in the entry, however its mostly illegible. I've made copies digitally and also with the copy machine set at differing darknesses. Can send them as digital images. They will arrive from a different eMail address, the default eMail on the machine where the pictures are held is different than mine but the server is the same. The subject line will identify them clearly. The microfilmed images ware done in the negative. More words seem to be legible if shot that way. I did the photocopies in the positive, so some are dark to see the center of the page, others much lighter to see into the shadowy margins where other words are. The Marriage entry reads : 1 March, 1838 In Mat'm Conjuxi Johanium Duffy et Elenoram Carrol coram Terentio? Duffy et Hugam Duffy Conjunxi is ' joined ' and Coram is ' in the presence of ' The name Terentio is extremely hard to decipher and may begin with an F....but Ferentio is just as puzzling. The birth entry of Catherine is even more deteriorated : 6 March 1839 B Cathrannam F Johannus Duffy et Elen--- Carroll Eug?----? [2-3 more illegible words run together into blackened margin]. The rest of the page is hard to read but ' Eug--- ' is not among the usual words, so I suspect its a name like Eugene though its unusual for Scotland. Perhaps its a witness or presenter of the child. Every entry had the ' F ' which I thought referred to the latin word for ' son '. However, both male and female infants had this letter immediately after their given name. I'll send the JPGs since you probably wish to look at the images. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Diane Thanks for your help and reply, would you know the heritage centre's address? Kind regards pj

Hello John & many thanks for your reply and help. Yes it does help a bit as it is so confusing to know where to go. What a shame one of the Mary's that you found didn't have an Owen for a father. If you were travelling to co Cavan where would you sail from and to. I assumed it must be Liverpool to - would it be Belfast? I do not know much about Annagh or Redhill, but I tried st Brigid's in Redhill, but they only have records that go back to 1940. I guess however she would be on the Birth register somewhere. Regards pj

Here's the information. Explain you're looking for Mary's baptism in Annagh and the likely year(s) so they don't quote you the price for a complete family history. Most centers will look for a specific record for a reasonable fee. Good luck! Diane Cavan Heritage and Genealogy Centre ADDRESS 1st Floor Johnston Central Library Farnham St, Cavan Republic of Ireland. TELEPHONE + 353 (0) 49 4361094, FAX + 353 (0) 49 4331494 ORGANIZATION Irish Family History Foundation EMAIL cavangenealogy@eircom.net WEBSITE http://www.irish-roots.net/cavan.asp

Morning Meg, Thank you for your most generous offer. Would you check Item 3-Parochial registers of Knockbride ( Cavan) 1835-1860 Catholic Church, Parish of Knockbride (Cavan) for a marriage between JOHN DUFFY and ELLEN CARROLL. I believe the year was 1838, but could have been anytime between 1837 & 1839. John's parents were Dennis ( Denis) Duffy & Ellen Boyle. I would be surprised if they are listed on John's marriage record, but I'm including them just in case. Would you also check for a baptism for CATHERINE DUFFY ( daughter of John & Ellen) born 1839. Ellen died in Westville, Franklin Co. New York in 1871 before records were required to be kept. I was hoping the Irish records went back far enough to give me her birth month & day in 1813, and her parents names,but any bit of information is greatly appreciated. Many thanks for your time & effort. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Meg Greenwood<mailto:scotquester@bartnet.net> To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com<mailto:irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Birth & , Marriage info for Blackstep, Knockbride Joanne, The FHC where I volunteer as a non-churchmember HAS film #926133 permanently on the shelves, I ordered it over 8y ago for a Kilann birth that was located and was readable. Here is what's listed to be in it : ========================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joanne, The FHC where I volunteer as a non-churchmember HAS film #926133 permanently on the shelves, I ordered it over 8y ago for a Kilann birth that was located and was readable. Here is what's listed to be in it : Item 1 Parochial registers of Killesher (Fermanagh), 1855-1881 Catholic Church. Parish of Killesher (Fermanagh) Item 2 Parochial registers of Killann (Cavan), 1835-1880 Catholic Church. Parish of Killann (Cavan) Item 3 Parochial registers of Knockbride (Cavan), 1835-1860 Catholic Church. Parish of Knockbride (Cavan) The film notes for Knockbride say the film has portions that are illegible and faded. It was filmed in 1973 from originals in Dublin. Anyone can order in this film for viewing, making photocopies and doing research.....however if you wish a simple lookup done, please send me details and I'll check that film. Need a name, which Church registers you need searched and an expected date. Will also pass along that Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1864....any death in Ireland after 1 Jan, 1864 must by law be registered at the parish General Register Officve [GRO]. Therefore the 1871 death would be in the Registration books......or was this death in the US ? Sorry, I've not read the original query. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =========================

Is your source online? I'd like to look for my ancestors too, to see if they are listed under Registered Dog Owners and Griffith's tenements 1856/7. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "otterkey" <otterkey@msn.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Blackstep,Parrish Knockbride > Joanne, > > These listings are later than you are looking for, but just to let you > know that many Carrolls remained in the area. > > Registered Dog Owners in Knockbride in 1890 > Blackstep Townland > Hugh Carroll > James Carroll > Bernard Carroll > B. Leddy > Pat Carroll > > Griffith's Valuation of Tenements 1856/57 > Blackstep > Andrew Carroll > Bridget Carroll > John Smith > Peter Clarke > Bernard Carroll > Luke Carroll > Peter Meehan > Terence M'Cabe > Sir Geo. Hodson, Bart. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joanne, These listings are later than you are looking for, but just to let you know that many Carrolls remained in the area. Registered Dog Owners in Knockbride in 1890 Blackstep Townland Hugh Carroll James Carroll Bernard Carroll B. Leddy Pat Carroll Griffith's Valuation of Tenements 1856/57 Blackstep Andrew Carroll Bridget Carroll John Smith Peter Clarke Bernard Carroll Luke Carroll Peter Meehan Terence M'Cabe Sir Geo. Hodson, Bart.

No civil birth or marriage records in Ireland in the 1830s, but Knockbride RC parish records are on LDS film 0926133, item 3, baptisms 1835-79, marriages 1835-77, and burials 1835-75. You should find Ellen and John's marriage and Catherine's baptism. The marriage record may or may not list Ellen's parents, but worth a try. (Have you checked her US death record?) As you may know, Griffith's shows some Carrolls in Blackstep, probably relatives of Ellen's. Burials of Carrolls in Blackstep may include Ellen's parents. Diane