"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, June 3, 1852 SUMMER ASSIZES - 1852 The following is a list of the respective circuits which the judges have fixed upon to take at the ensusing Summer Assizes:- North-East - The Right Hon. the Lord Chief Justice; the Right Hon. Baron GREENE. Home - The Right Hon. the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Please; the Hon. Judge BALL. North-West - The Right Hon. the Lord Chief Baron; the Hon. Judge TORRENS. Leinster - The Hon. Baron PENNEFATHER; the Right Hon. Judge MOORE. Connaught - The Hon. Judge PERRIN; Mr. Sergeant HOWLEY. Munster - The Hon. Judge CRAMPTON; the Hon. Judge JACKSON. MAYO MINES. - Notwithstanding, the mania for everything foreign, we repeat our oft-reiterated statement, that the most valuable metals and marbles are within the reach of human labour in our mountains. This is no idle boast - it is a statement founded on the investigation of an eminent chemist. We frequently informed our readers, that in the neighbourhood of this town, Mr. John ATKINSON has detected the presence of copper, tin, and other valuable ores, all of which he has tested by chemical analysis, and found them to contain an unusual proportion of the several metals. We may enumerate, for the information of the dubious, that in the mountains of Burren, within four miles of Castlebar, are to be found, in the quartz formation, copper, tin, pyrites, and manganese; in Pontoon range of mountains, including Raheenbar, copper, pyrites, iron, tin, lead, as also semi-metals, as cobalt, manganese, bismuth, and antimony; and in both ranges specimens of beautiful black and ! variegated marble, capable of the highest polish. All of these have been proved by experiment to exist in these ranges; and specimens of each may be seen at Dr Atkinson's establishment. We have also learned from an eminent engineer, that in the quartz formation in some of the latter mountains rich auriferous veins are to be found. - Mayo Constitution. ALLEGED INTERFERENCE IN ELECTION MATTERS. - A statement has been published in a Belfast paper, and also in a Dublin contemporary, which is indeed passing strange; though in the face of it, it bears marks calculated to throw discredit on the story. It is represented that while Major-General THOMAS, who has succeeded Major-General BAINBRIDGE in the military command of the district, was reviewing a company of pensioners, in Enniskillen, on Wednesday last, he urged such of the men as had votes to give them to Mr. WHITESIDE, or other nominee of Lord ENNISKILLEN, at the next election. One of the pensioners, named M'KINLEY said he had not been treated by Colonel COLE as he had a right to expect; and as he had voted for Mr. COLLUM before, he would do so again. It is then stated that Major-General Thomas told him that such an act would be discreditable to an old Enniskillener; and Captain BEAUFOY (commander of the company), Col. Cole and others, set upon him that he was obli! ged to promise he would vote as requested. The account in the Belfast paper says Major-General Thomas "shook his fist at M'Kinley; telling him, at the same time, he was a disgrace to the name of Enniskillener, and to the body which he belonged. This is no doubt, an exaggeration, or probably a perversion of the facts; for, we could not believe an officer of such experience could so far forget the respect due to his position as to suffer himself to be so betrayed. We thus give the substance of the published statements, as no doubt the matter will come before the public, on a future occasion.

Thank you all for the information on this CD. Looks like there is only on parish for Cavan. "E"laine and the grandkids

Hi Joan As far as I know mine are all around Cootehill in County Cavan. Barbara -- Barbara Morton Sandspit, Warkworth, NZ > From: "joanrusk" <jgrnlr@cableone.net> > > I have Griffins in Glenbeigh, County Kerry. > > Joan Griffin Rusk > > -- > > Names I am interested in in Ireland > CROSBY > CARR/KERR > MULVANEY > GRIFFIN > McQUILLN > REILLY > >

Bill Rose REILLY that marr Edward GRIFFIN ca1800 Barbara -- Barbara Morton Sandspit, Warkworth, NZ > From: Siaoh@aol.com > Reply-To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:52:41 EST > To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Newspaper's > Resent-From: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:52:48 -0700 > > Barbara, > Which Reillys? I have an Owen, about 1800, and a John about 1827. > Bill Reilly > >

Does anyone on this list have the CD that includes the 1831-1841 Ireland census index which I believe only has Londonderry & one parish in Cavan on it? I am trying to find out what exactly is on the CD before I purchase it. Thank you. "E"laine

Anyone have further info on: 1.Patrick Griffin was born in of Killiheen, Limerick, Ireland. Patrick married Margaret Stark daughter of Henry Stark and Elizabeth on 1 Jan 1805 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. Margaret was born in 1782 in of Killiheen, Limerick, Ireland. She was christened on 17 Nov 1782 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. They had the following children: +2Mi. Rev. James Griffith was christened on 19 Jul 1807. 3 F ii. Elizabeth Griffin was christened on 2 Mar 1810 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 4 F iii. Margaret Griffin was christened on 21 Jun 1812 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. Margaret married Patrick Ryan on 20 Apr 1835 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 5 M iv. John Griffin was born on 15 Jan 1815 in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 22 Jan 1815 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 6 M v. Patrick Griffin was born on 24 Jul 1817 in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 10 Aug 1817 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 7 M vi. Henry Griffin was born on 9 Dec 1819 in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 12 Dec 1819 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 8 F vii. Ellen Griffin was born on 18 Apr 1822 in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. She was christened on 28 Apr 1822 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. Second Generation 2. Rev. James Griffith (Patrick) was born in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 19 Jul 1807 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. James married Margaret Susan Dolmage daughter of John Dolmage and Mary Piper on 4 May 1824 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. Margaret was christened on 13 Jun 1802 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. They had the following children: 9 F i. Susana Julia Griffith was christened on 27 Feb 1825 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 10 F ii. Margaret Rebecca Griffith was christened on 5 Jan 1830 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 11 M iii. Alicius John Griffith was christened on 25 Mar 1832 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 12 M iv. Julius Henry Griffith was born in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 9 Jul 1827 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 13 M v. Gideon James William Griffith was christened on 22 Nov 1828 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 14 M vi. William Dolmage Griffith was christened on 28 Nov 1833 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 15 M vii. Christopher John Forster Griffith was born on 14 Jul 1835 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 20 Jul 1835 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 16 M viii. Gorequer Griffith was born on 8 Sep 1837 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 10 Sep 1837 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. 17 M ix. George Richard Griffith was born on 15 Jul 1841 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. He was christened on 30 Aug 1841 in Church of Ireland, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland. Thanks, Tom Thomas Jay Kemp Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534 Phone: 860-346-4375 Fax: 860-347-9874 Email: TKemp@Godfrey.org Web site: http://www.godfrey.org

I have a William Reilly who m. Ann McDonnell. They had Margaret 1847, William 1853 and Eugene 1855. Emigrated to Jersey City, New Jersey about 1870. Tom.

In a message dated 2/15/2004 11:52:25 PM Central Standard Time, bellemarco@hotmail.com writes: > Patrick Farley b.abt. 1784/Mary O'Reilly b. abt. 1797 married bet. > 1815-1822 > went from Cavan, Ireland to Douro, Petersborough, Canada, between 1832-1839. > ================== We have a Catherine FARLEY, b c 1800, reportedly in Cavan, who married a Patrick BRADY, b c 1800 in Cavan. Their children were Philip, b c 1825; John, b c 1830; and Susan, b c 1839, all in Cavan. Patrick Brady apparently died in Cavan. Catherine and her children reportedly then came to Rochester, NY, where Catherine reportedly died, est 1848. Philip and Susan then came to St. Louis, MO, where their cousins lived, and we have that line traced from there. No info on what happened to John, who 'went West'. Wish I had better leads to locations in Cavan, but thought I would pass this along in case there is a connection. Jim St. Louis, Missouri

ANGLO-CELT OCTOBER 27, 1848 CAVAN QUARTER SESSIONS APPEAL CASE UNDER 5 AND 6 VICTORIA--DRAINAGE AND NAVIGATION WORKS IN IRELAND--EEL-WEIR AT BAKER'S BRIDGE John BAKER, appellant; the Commissioners of Public Works in Ireland, respondents. In our last publication, we submitted the particulars of the appearance of this case in court at the sitting of his worship on Wednesday, the 18th instant--that on affidavit on the part of the Board of Works, an application was made to have the case postponed to the next sessions of Cavan--that after considerable discussion, the court refused the application. The jury was then sworn, and the court directed that six of the number should on Friday, the 20th, proceed to Baker's-bridge to view the drainage, where they would be met by parties on behalf of both the appellant and respondents. Finally, it was arranged that the hearing of the case should be proceeded with on the Monday following. Monday, Oct. 23 At twelve o'clock, according to arrangement on the previous Wednesday, the above case was called on, and the jury called to the box--viz., William CARMICHAEL, James BERRY, Thomas BLIGH, Charles J. MURPHY, Wm. FAIRIS, Thomas HARTLEY, Wm.Moore BLACK, John WARNER, Alexander BERR, and Henry HUMPHRYS, Esqrs. Mr. SWANZY (with whom were Mr. ERSKINE and Mr. James ARMSTRONG, on the part of Mr. BAKER, as appellant, asked Mr. COLLIS, who appeared as counsel on behalf of the commissioners, whether he were disposed to waive all formalities, and go into the merits of the case at once? Mr. COLLIS said that from the peculiar position in which he was placed, he could not take it upon himself to waive formalities; but as Mr. SWANZY said he was read to go through his case, he had better proceed in the r egular way. Mr. SWANZY replied that a circumstance had just occurred which might be of difficulty if compelled to confine himself to formalities. An important witness which they had brought from Dublin, by whom the required notices on the Commissioners had been served, had just left the court, although he had been served with a summons to attend, which he would prove by a witness. Daniel LEDDY being called and sworn, produced copy of summons which he served on Mr. ROWAN on Wednesday last to attend the court this day. Witness further proved that Mr. ROWAN was in court that day (Monday), and had just left it. Mr. James ARMSTRONG said that ROWAN was here on the part of the board, and the gentlemen from the board ought not to be against his coming into court. MR. COLLIS begged to inform Mr. ARMSTRONG he was quite mistaken. Mr. ROWAN had nothing whatever to do with the board. MR. ARMSTRONG, in explanation, remarked that as soon as Mr. COLLIS stood up to object to the waiving of formalities, the gentleman in question left the court. By order of the court, a constable was sent to look for him. In the meantime, MR. SWANZY proceeded to address the court and jury. He said that in this present case of Mr. BAKER, appellant, against the Board of Works, a precept had been sent down to summon a jury to try the question between Mr. BAKER and the board, in order to enquire into and assess damages incurred by reason of the removal of the eel-weir at Baker's-bridge. With respect to Mr. BAKER, the property of Ashgrove has been in the possession of his family for a long series of years. The weir had been situated in the Ashgrove side of the River formerly called the River Erne, and the family had long derived considerable profits from this weir. This is the principal of serveral other rivers which flow into and are tributary to it, receiving therefore the most of the waters in the locality. The lakes and rivers at Farnham, Killeshandra, River Erne, and Belturet flow on thier way, and pass through where this weir had been erected; some ideaof its value might therefore be formed. John BAKER, in the year 1780, made this weir the subject of a family settlement, settled it on his son, and even went so far as to build the bridge at his own expense for the purpose of establishing this weir. Up to the year 1846, Mr. BAKER fished the weir and sold the produce in different markets, amounting to £50 to £70 yearly, not including the value of the fish consumed in Mr. BAKER's house and given away. By the 5th and 6th of her Majesty, in August 1842, the Commissioners of Public Works were appointed Commissioners of Drainage, for the purpose of draining rivers and lakes, and preventing the mischiefs of flooding; but also for the purpose of increasing the property of the persons adjoining those rivers and lakes. In 1846 the commissioners having been applied to by the landed proprietors interested in the drainage of the lands of that portion of the country, directed an enquiry as prescribed by the act, as to how far it would be advantageous to have the obstructions removed; and in con- sequence the board agreed to take the weir for half the season to free the passage of the water for the works, and for this the board allowed Mr. BAKER £40. They afterwards proceeded and removed the weir and made several works of importance for preventing the lands in the neighbourhood from being flooded. MR. BAKER's weir had been removed and done away with, and his right destroyed; and for that injury the Commissioners held a meeting for the purpose of enquiring into the extent of damages, and they awarded him the sum of 295l., a sum that would not compensate him for the fish consumed in his own house, if he did not even sell a single fish of those caught. From that award Mr. BAKER hdd appealed, and now appeared in court willing to go into the merits. Mr. SWANZY further urged that the precept on which these proceedings were being had was wrong, designating Mr. BAKER as the Rev. John BAKER. The court overruled the objection. He would allow Mr. BAKER to stand in holy orders as far as that went. [ARGUMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS FOLLOWED] Mr. SWANZY said that neither himself nor Mr. ERSKINE knew anything of the case until a few days ago. The Court was not laying blame to either of the gentlemen. Mr. ERSKINE's examination resumed--I know that Mr. BAKER succeeded John Noble BAKER; that he is in possession for the last 7 or 8 years;and that John Noble BAKER had the estate before him and that John Noble BAKER was the son of John BAKER from whom he derived. Mr. BAKER was carried out of court in a fit of appoplexy. The Jury returned a verdict of 340l, damages for the appellant. ___________________________________________________________ County Cavan Newspaper Transcription Project

As a matter of interest - Did DRUMGOON near COOTEHILL had a paper around 1825 or was there just "The Anglo Celt"? and/or when did the papers first started? Also, how do I go about in accessing them? Thanks, Barbara -- Barbara Morton Sandspit, Warkworth, NZ Names I am interested in in Ireland CROSBY CARR/KERR MULVANEY GRIFFIN McQUILLN REILLY

Dick, The age discrepancies are amusing, aren't they? As far as where they in Cavan they were from, the only "confirmation" I was able to make was from the 1921 Cavan County, Townland of Togher, Parish of Crosserlough, Barony of Castlerahan census ( http://www.cmcrp.net/OtherCty/Cavan1821-1.htm ) where I found a Matthew McSherry, tailor, age 48, whose wife was Bridget, a Spinner, age 36, and son, Patrick, age 2. I believe these are my McSherry's because my ggggrandfather Patrick was a tailor, and his first son was Matthew..... but no other corroborating evidence, so I don't claim it as fact. (There are several McEvoy families in that census, but no Phillips') You claim Thomas McSherry lived in same apartment as your Delia in 1890... how did you find this information? Who were you referring to as "also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France?"...... my McSherry's?... or your Phillips/McEvoy's?... and why do you think they also originated from France? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Todd; All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might not spill the beans to the neighbors! In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:17 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:55 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Subscriber since last spring... never saw one mention of any McSherry's. So this is a longshot... Need info on the McSherry's from County Cavan. My g-g-g grandfather was Patrick McSherry, a tailor, who married Catherine Smith or Smyth, who, we believe, was also from County Cavan. The McSherry's, we're told, originally came to Ireland during some persecution (Reign of Terror?) period in France, and changed their name to McSherry to fit in with other Irish names Patrick and Catherine emigrated, with small children, to New York City around 1850. Their son, Matthew, married Elizabeth Chenet( her father was Pierre Chenet- no info on that family either). Their daughter, Catherine, married William Hahn. Their daughter, Margaretta, married Clarence Grant. Their daughter, Jeanne, married Richard O'Neill. They are my parents. Thanks Todd

In a message dated 2/16/2004 4:49:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, grappadw@bellsouth.net writes: > Todd; > > All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My > ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., > 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her > two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The > spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer > to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might > not spill the beans to the neighbors! > > In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow > Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's > family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also > probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? > birth record are whats imprtant not census infoin mass they listsed dead kids from 15 years earlier as alive Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Todd; All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might not spill the beans to the neighbors! In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:17 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:55 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Subscriber since last spring... never saw one mention of any McSherry's. So this is a longshot... Need info on the McSherry's from County Cavan. My g-g-g grandfather was Patrick McSherry, a tailor, who married Catherine Smith or Smyth, who, we believe, was also from County Cavan. The McSherry's, we're told, originally came to Ireland during some persecution (Reign of Terror?) period in France, and changed their name to McSherry to fit in with other Irish names Patrick and Catherine emigrated, with small children, to New York City around 1850. Their son, Matthew, married Elizabeth Chenet( her father was Pierre Chenet- no info on that family either). Their daughter, Catherine, married William Hahn. Their daughter, Margaretta, married Clarence Grant. Their daughter, Jeanne, married Richard O'Neill. They are my parents. Thanks Todd

Mr. Webber, While reading your response to a McSherry question I noticed that you had a date of arrival in NYC of 1851 for your GGrandmother et al. I have GGrandparents Byrnes with family arriving in NYC in 1851. I wondering how you found this arrival data. I have tried all the sources that I know of with only negative results. Any Help Appreciated. Sincerely, Bill Golden, Green Harbor, MA RESEARCHING: Byrns/Burns & McEntee (Co. Louth), McCabe (Co. Cavan), Gunn (Fermanagh), Smyth/Smith {MacGowan} (Co. Cavan) _________________________________________________________________ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/

Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:55 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Subscriber since last spring... never saw one mention of any McSherry's. So this is a longshot... Need info on the McSherry's from County Cavan. My g-g-g grandfather was Patrick McSherry, a tailor, who married Catherine Smith or Smyth, who, we believe, was also from County Cavan. The McSherry's, we're told, originally came to Ireland during some persecution (Reign of Terror?) period in France, and changed their name to McSherry to fit in with other Irish names Patrick and Catherine emigrated, with small children, to New York City around 1850. Their son, Matthew, married Elizabeth Chenet( her father was Pierre Chenet- no info on that family either). Their daughter, Catherine, married William Hahn. Their daughter, Margaretta, married Clarence Grant. Their daughter, Jeanne, married Richard O'Neill. They are my parents. Thanks Todd

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A Thomas Griffin was a sponsor with my GGGrandmother Francis Phillips from Cavan, in The RC Epihaney Church E21st St NYC Aug 16, 1873. Child was Edward McElroy third child & third son of my Ggranparents Bernard McElroy from Fermanagh and wife Delia Phillips from Cavan. Interested in relationship of Thomas Griffin. Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Morton [mailto:bmorton@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:35 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Newspaper's Hi Joan As far as I know mine are all around Cootehill in County Cavan. Barbara -- Barbara Morton Sandspit, Warkworth, NZ > From: "joanrusk" <jgrnlr@cableone.net> > > I have Griffins in Glenbeigh, County Kerry. > > Joan Griffin Rusk > > -- > > Names I am interested in in Ireland > CROSBY > CARR/KERR > MULVANEY > GRIFFIN > McQUILLN > REILLY > >

Maybe it would be helpful to have someone post, again, how to get to the archives, and how to "make it work." ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Farley/Cavan > So far, the particular Farley family I am researching went from Cavan, > Ireland to Douro, Peterborough, Canada to Otoe and Johnson Counties > Nebraska. However, there were many children born in the US and since I am > just starting this search, have not tracked them all down yet. > > Also meant to say in first post, that I was unable to search the Farley > surname in the Archives. Couldn't get it to work? > > E. Sharp > >

I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:55 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Subscriber since last spring... never saw one mention of any McSherry's. So this is a longshot... Need info on the McSherry's from County Cavan. My g-g-g grandfather was Patrick McSherry, a tailor, who married Catherine Smith or Smyth, who, we believe, was also from County Cavan. The McSherry's, we're told, originally came to Ireland during some persecution (Reign of Terror?) period in France, and changed their name to McSherry to fit in with other Irish names Patrick and Catherine emigrated, with small children, to New York City around 1850. Their son, Matthew, married Elizabeth Chenet( her father was Pierre Chenet- no info on that family either). Their daughter, Catherine, married William Hahn. Their daughter, Margaretta, married Clarence Grant. Their daughter, Jeanne, married Richard O'Neill. They are my parents. Thanks Todd

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