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    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index
    2. J T Pearson Outdoor Training
    3. Hi While the index itself is of limited use the actual Irish census carried more info than the English census of the time. Information on my LOVETT family included, age, married state, occupation, names of those who had left the family home in the last 10 years (and whether dec. or emigrated) date of parents marriage, whether able to read or write. From this I now know the names of great great grandfather George's siblings and parents (his father was by then deceased) and that two of his siblings went to USA and their occupations (still haven't raced them tho) and when his parents married. For my BIGGS family the details were less revealing but included name , age , occupation, married state, relationship to head of household. And no I'm afraid i don't hold any details of the census, SKS did a look up for me after I had checked the 1841 index at my local LDS. So this census is very useful indeed , if you can get hold of it that is. I agree with Joe about the index tho' you wonder why they bothered indexing but didn't go on to provide more details. Ahother place to check is the index to the 1901 Old Age Pension. Again an index , sigh, BUT it may show parents names and whether they were alive in the 1851 census. I would try and get hold of the census if you can or get a look up, it is incredibly useful. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe coyle" <joenormapat@tin.it> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index > In spite of it's limited information it is useful, When I looked for a > Margaret Coyle in Killashandra, Cavan, I found four, Three in a townland > of Bruse, each with a different page No. Which refers to the microfilmed > copies and the order in which they were filmed. The different page No. > Helped me to sort out others in the family listed in Bruse on the same > page. Hence three different families with a Margaret--and other members. > It is doubtful the actual pages of the census would be of any additional > info, for ages and such, the early census' didn't report that accurately > or in some cases, scribe an age, only grouped them. I have not seen any > of the Killashandra census pages so I cannot be for certain but I would > guess that other than the head of household , that no other real useful > info could be attained from it anyway. > > As for the townlands, spellings do differ a little and at times you > have to consider the alternate names used by the Diocese of Kilmore. For > those alternate names refer to Al Beagans notes on the subject. As for > other names, most can be found in the IRE ATLAS which I am told is based > on the 1851 listings, not far off from the 1841 or 1831 lists. One > example I can think of at the moment is a Townland of Coronary(on the > CD) in Killashandra, is spelled Corraneary in the IRE ATLAS, not to > difficult really. > > I might add that in all of my 12 years of looking, the 1841 census is > the ONLY place I have found the members of my ancestor's family. No > other documents to date have given me any clues. > > I would also like to say I do not approve of presenting these census' in > this way I too would much rather have a CD with actual copies of the > pages, however I did find it useful. > > Joe Coyle > > Gerald Sullivan wrote: > > > > E.Sharp wrote: > > > > >Does anyone on this list have the CD that includes the 1831-1841 Ireland > > >census index which I believe only has Londonderry & one parish in Cavan on > > >it? I am trying to find out what exactly is on the CD before I purchase it. > > > > > >Thank you. > > >"E"laine > > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy but did not find it useful. The townlands listed are not > > the townlands that my ancestors should have been recorded. Besides the > > strange townlands it only gives a name,townland and a film index > > number.Nothing tells you what the index numbers are. > >

    02/19/2004 03:01:09
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Anglo Celt - B-M-D, Ordinations - June 10, 1852
    2. Kay Stanton
    3. "The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, June 10, 1852 BIRTHS. June 5, at Athy, the lady of Hugh HAWKSHAW, Esq., County Inspector, of a son. June 3, at Gowlands, the lady of John Forans (?), Esq., of a son. June 2, in Grosvenor-street, London, Lady Edward Fitzalan HOWARD, of a son. MARRIAGES. June 3, at Edinborgh, by the Right Rev. Bishop TERROT, Robert WHITE, Esq., Writer to the Signet, to Anne, daughter of the late Thomas MacMILLAN FOGO, Esq., M.D., Senior Surgeon, Royal Artillery. May 27, by the Rev. P. HANATTY, M.G. VERDON, Esq., M.D., Drogheda, to Mary Josephine, daughter of John CRONIN, Esq., Comptroller of her Majesty's Customs at Drogheda. DEATHS. On the 8th inst., at his residence Clonloskin, Mr. Edward GILROY, father of the Rev. P. Gilroy, C.C., Belturbet. On the the inst., in Belturbet, Mrs. FITZPATRICK, wife of Mr. Bernard Fitzpatrick, victualer of that town. On the 22nd May, at his residence, Kells, in the 64th year of his age, William LORD, Sergeant-Major on the Staff of the Royal Meath Militia - a Regiment in which the deceased had served for the long period of 46 years, the latter 19 as Sergeant-Major; and for 20 years discharged the arduous duties of under-agent to the Marquis of Headfort. Through life he bore the character of an honest man, and died much regretted, leaving large family to deplore his loss. June 6, at Athboy, aged 25 (?), of fever subsequent to the birth of twins, Jane, the beloved wife of R. M'DERMOTT, Esq., Surgeon and daughter of Frederick STOCK, Esq., of Ballins. June 7, at Dartry, Rathmines, the infant daughter of Thos. DRURY, Esq. May 2, on his way home (where he had been ordered for change of air) from Do____ (?), James POWER, Esq., of Cole Hill, county of Longford He is regretted by every one who knew him. CAVAN CORPORATION. - The Town Commissioners of Cavan, at their usual monthly meeting on Monday last, came to a unanimous conclusion to at once set about recovering the corporate property of the town. Instructions were given to the clerk to take the requisite legal steps towards that end. This matter is likely to create considerable interest in the district. ORDINATION IN CAVAN CHURCH. At an ordination held on Trinity Sunday, the 6th of June, 1852, in the parish church of the union of Urney and Annageliffe, by the Lord Bishop of Kilmore, Elphin, and Ardagh, the following gentlemen were ordained: - PRIESTS. - For the diocese of Kilmore - Thomas ASHE, A.B., T.C.D.; James HUNT, A.B., T.C.B.; James TOPHAM, A.B., T.C.D. For the diocese of Elphin - F. John BEERE, A.B., T.C.D.; John H. MONSARRAT, A.B., T.C.D.; James John NEWBOLD, A.B., T.C.D.; Wm. Augustus DAWSON, A.B., T.C.D. For the diocese of Ardagh - Milward CROOKE, A.B., T.C.D. For the diocese of Clogher - Henry G. SOUTHWELL, A.B, T.C.D. DEACONS. - Julius S. HEARNE, A.B., T.C.D., for Kilmore; George GILLINGHAM, A.B., T.C.D., for Elphin; Jon W. MURRAY, A.B., T.C.D., for Clogher. County Cavan Newspaper Transcription Project

    02/18/2004 05:14:23
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Anglo Celt - Marriage - June 3, 1852
    2. Kay Stanton
    3. "The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, June 3, 1852 MARRIED. On the 20th May, Co. of Londonderry, by the Rev. N. BROWN, the Rev. Thomas MEHARREY, to Georgina, second daughter of the late Andrew NIXON, Esq., Barrister-at-law, &c., Lurgan Lodge, County of Cavan.

    02/18/2004 03:56:50
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] BRADY
    2. Richard F. Taferner
    3. Clair, I do not have information on any Bradys that left County Cavan. I have the names of some Bradys ( from the old ketter to my great great grandfather ) and their place names in Cavan. I have been able to locate those mentioned in the letter in Griffiths Valuation. I will get the names mentioned and post to the list. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Clair Johnson <gmaclair@adelphia.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] BRADY > Hello Mary, > > Would you happen to have any information on a BRADY that left County Cavan > during the potato famine and arrived in NY abt. 1845 - 1850. He then left NY > and settled in Rock Sound, Eleuthera, Bahama Islands. His name could have > been John Davis Brady and I believe he was my Great Grandfather. > > Thanks, Clair > > > > > > Clair Johnson Limington, Maine > > E-mail Me! gmaclair@adelphia.net >

    02/18/2004 03:05:58
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] BRADY
    2. Clair Johnson
    3. Hello Mary, Would you happen to have any information on a BRADY that left County Cavan during the potato famine and arrived in NY abt. 1845 - 1850. He then left NY and settled in Rock Sound, Eleuthera, Bahama Islands. His name could have been John Davis Brady and I believe he was my Great Grandfather. Thanks, Clair Clair Johnson Limington, Maine E-mail Me! gmaclair@adelphia.net

    02/18/2004 02:26:10
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Someone to lookup 1831-1841 census Londonderry
    2. Hollis
    3. Looking for some kind sole to please check the 1831 1841 census for Londonderry for Mary Ann Milligan/Millican b. 1832 Derry, and her sister Catherine Milligan/ Millican b. about 1832. both came to Aust aboard ship 'Elizabeth' 1849 from London to Port Phillip no parents known. Thanks Barb Hollis

    02/18/2004 01:24:06
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Mary Ann Milligan / Millican and Catherine Milligan / Millican
    2. Hollis
    3. Looking for connections to Mary Ann Milligan/Millican b. 1832 Derry, and her sister Catherine Milligan/ Millican b. about 1832. both came to Aust aboard ship 'Elizabeth' 1849 from London to Port Phillip no parents known. Barb Hollis

    02/18/2004 01:20:40
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] ANGLO-CELT - NOVEMBER 3, 1848 - Replevins
    2. Lois Sparling
    3. Correction, when your neighbour borrowed your mule and neglected to return it, you filed a Writ of Replevin. If he stole it and you could prove it beyond a rasonable doubt, that was a criminal, not a civil matter. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta JFDowd@aol.com wrote: >>Can someone please tell us what is meant by "Replevins" in the followig >>passage taken from a post earlier this evening? >> >> > >================ > >When your neighbor stole your mule, you would file a Writ of Replevin to get >it back. > >Jim >St. Louis, MO > > > >

    02/18/2004 12:56:49
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. Smith (Smyth?) Brady
    2. Yes, I do. My ggrandmother was Bridget Byrnes McCabe. Her sister, Kathleen or Catherine, ( unsure) was C atherine Byrnes Smyth. Her daughter Catherine Smith born about 1870 ,was first cousin to my grandmother Annie McCabe born 1868. The two of them came to Calif. Annie married, Ernest Clayton in 1899. Catherine married August Pasquet. around the same time. Claytons and Pasquets lived next door north of SF. Catherine later moved to San Francisco, and thento southern part of city. . The closest towns in Ireland were Greaghalone in Monaghan, near Shercock. And Skallkill or Northlands in Monaghan and Cavan. Nancy

    02/18/2004 12:37:33
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List
    2. Todd ONeill
    3. From Genealogy.com; Importance of Flax in 18th Century Ireland During the 18th century Ireland, and in particular Ulster, established a reputation as a producer of fine linen. The economic implications were extremely important in that both agriculture and industry benefited. The climate and soil of Ireland were well suited to growing flax, the raw material for linen, so farmers and landowners naturally turned to the crop. Processing the flax through various stages on its way to linen - scutching, spinning, bleaching, beetling and weaving - provided work for many thousands in mill-towns across the country, and so linen became a major industry as well. At various times the government introduced special incentives to encourage the production of linen, usually in the form of spinning-wheels and looms. The Flax Growers Bounty List In 1796 the Irish Linen Board published a list of almost 60,000 individuals who had received awards for planting a specified acreage of flax. Those who planted one acre were awarded 4 spinning-wheels, and those growing 5 acres were awarded a loom. The two counties with the highest number of awards were Donegal and Tyrone. The Flax Growers List is arranged by civil parish in each county except for Dublin and Wicklow, which were not included in the list. (In a few instances, the barony is listed instead of the parish.) While there is no indication of townland, this is still an extremely useful record source that goes back over thirty years earlier than the commencement of Tithe Applotment Books. Anyone researching their Irish ancestry will be able to pinpoint a forebear living in a particular parish at the end of the 18th century. More About this Data Set You will find the following information about an individual indexed: Name - In some records, you will find three question marks in place of the given name or surname. This indicates that the name was not listed on the original record. You may also find question marks in place of missing letters. A question mark after a name indicates that the name spelling was unclear. County - This was the county in which the individual grew flax. A collection of baronies, from five in Co. Leitrim to twenty-two in Co. Cork, make up a county. Please note that Dublin and Wicklow counties were not included in the list. Parish - This was the civil parish in which the individual grew flax. A civil parish is made up of anything from five to thirty townlands. Collected together, civil parishes form baronies. In the Flax Growers List, sometimes a barony is listed instead of a parish. Civil parishes are no longer in use as administrative units. ----- Original Message ----- From: joanrusk To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List I know I just read about this recently. It seems to me that if a farmer agreed to grow x number of acres of flax, they received a spinning wheel and if they grew y number of acres, they received a loom. Whether or not this was in addition to being paid for the flax, I am not sure. Joan Griffin Rusk -----Original Message----- From: J T Pearson Outdoor Training [mailto:jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:58 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List Flax growing was the big industry in the area, so this is a list of those producing the raw material. i'm not sure if they were getting any payment subsidy as well? i saw an explanation somewhere but can't remember all the details. It doesn't list everyone, just those producing more than a certain amount. And if anyone out there knows any way of getting more info on the people listed i would like to know as well> regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List > Can anyone explain the 1796 Irish Flax Growers List? I am interested in > the following: > > Patrick Farley ID 6039 Cavan > > Elaine > > > > >

    02/18/2004 12:16:20
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index
    2. Maureen Fitzpatrick
    3. I'd like to add just a tidbit I know -- I was able to use the 1831/41 Census for my Derry family (Balteagh Parish, Dungiven). BUT I was lucky to find some of my Glangevlin family and Derry people on the "Old Age Pension" Fund/Application. People applied in 1902-32??? (not sure when) had to produce a birth cert or a registrar's note stating parents, townland etc...from 1841 and/or 1851 Census. There are not millions of names but worth a look. I changed Programs and lost all the great source information when I did a GEDCOM -- I' a history major so you can only guess how bummed I was! Mo J T Pearson Outdoor Training <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hi While the index itself is of limited use the actual Irish census carried more info than the English census of the time. Information on my LOVETT family included, age, married state, occupation, names of those who had left the family home in the last 10 years (and whether dec. or emigrated) date of parents marriage, whether able to read or write. From this I now know the names of great great grandfather George's siblings and parents (his father was by then deceased) and that two of his siblings went to USA and their occupations (still haven't raced them tho) and when his parents married. For my BIGGS family the details were less revealing but included name , age , occupation, married state, relationship to head of household. And no I'm afraid i don't hold any details of the census, SKS did a look up for me after I had checked the 1841 index at my local LDS. So this census is very useful indeed , if you can get hold of it that is. I agree with Joe about the index tho' you wonder why they bothered indexing but didn't go on to provide more details. Ahother place to check is the index to the 1901 Old Age Pension. Again an index , sigh, BUT it may show parents names and whether they were alive in the 1851 census. I would try and get hold of the census if you can or get a look up, it is incredibly useful. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe coyle" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] 1831-1841 Census Index > In spite of it's limited information it is useful, When I looked for a > Margaret Coyle in Killashandra, Cavan, I found four, Three in a townland > of Bruse, each with a different page No. Which refers to the microfilmed > copies and the order in which they were filmed. The different page No. > Helped me to sort out others in the family listed in Bruse on the same > page. Hence three different families with a Margaret--and other members. > It is doubtful the actual pages of the census would be of any additional > info, for ages and such, the early census' didn't report that accurately > or in some cases, scribe an age, only grouped them. I have not seen any > of the Killashandra census pages so I cannot be for certain but I would > guess that other than the head of household , that no other real useful > info could be attained from it anyway. > > As for the townlands, spellings do differ a little and at times you > have to consider the alternate names used by the Diocese of Kilmore. For > those alternate names refer to Al Beagans notes on the subject. As for > other names, most can be found in the IRE ATLAS which I am told is based > on the 1851 listings, not far off from the 1841 or 1831 lists. One > example I can think of at the moment is a Townland of Coronary(on the > CD) in Killashandra, is spelled Corraneary in the IRE ATLAS, not to > difficult really. > > I might add that in all of my 12 years of looking, the 1841 census is > the ONLY place I have found the members of my ancestor's family. No > other documents to date have given me any clues. > > I would also like to say I do not approve of presenting these census' in > this way I too would much rather have a CD with actual copies of the > pages, however I did find it useful. > > Joe Coyle > > Gerald Sullivan wrote: > > > > E.Sharp wrote: > > > > >Does anyone on this list have the CD that includes the 1831-1841 Ireland > > >census index which I believe only has Londonderry & one parish in Cavan on > > >it? I am trying to find out what exactly is on the CD before I purchase it. > > > > > >Thank you. > > >"E"laine > > > > > > > > > > > I have a copy but did not find it useful. The townlands listed are not > > the townlands that my ancestors should have been recorded. Besides the > > strange townlands it only gives a name,townland and a film index > > number.Nothing tells you what the index numbers are. > > Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com

    02/18/2004 11:15:06
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Someone to lookup 1831-1841 census Londonderry
    2. Maureen Fitzpatrick
    3. I know of many Magilligan's near my grandmother in Drumsurn townland area (Dungiven or Newtonlimavady town) -- about 13 miles from Derry City. Could this be possible? Mo Hollis <arol@locall.aunz.com> wrote: Looking for some kind sole to please check the 1831 1841 census for Londonderry for Mary Ann Milligan/Millican b. 1832 Derry, and her sister Catherine Milligan/ Millican b. about 1832. both came to Aust aboard ship 'Elizabeth' 1849 from London to Port Phillip no parents known. Thanks Barb Hollis Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com

    02/18/2004 10:21:46
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Roll call- Murphy
    2. Patricia Weston
    3. Researching Murphy's in Drumgoon. Philip Murphy was born about 1823. His US naturalization papers said he was from Drumgoon, County Cavan. His father was Edward Murphy. From a distant cousin, I've learned that there were siblings Francis, Owen and Ann, who emigrated to Canada, and Bridget, who married Terence King and stayed in Ireland. I'd be glad to hear from anyone researching these Murphy's or who has any information about them. Thanks, Pat

    02/18/2004 08:57:23
    1. RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List
    2. joanrusk
    3. I know I just read about this recently. It seems to me that if a farmer agreed to grow x number of acres of flax, they received a spinning wheel and if they grew y number of acres, they received a loom. Whether or not this was in addition to being paid for the flax, I am not sure. Joan Griffin Rusk -----Original Message----- From: J T Pearson Outdoor Training [mailto:jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:58 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List Flax growing was the big industry in the area, so this is a list of those producing the raw material. i'm not sure if they were getting any payment subsidy as well? i saw an explanation somewhere but can't remember all the details. It doesn't list everyone, just those producing more than a certain amount. And if anyone out there knows any way of getting more info on the people listed i would like to know as well> regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List > Can anyone explain the 1796 Irish Flax Growers List? I am interested in > the following: > > Patrick Farley ID 6039 Cavan > > Elaine > > > > >

    02/18/2004 08:54:21
    1. RE: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan.
    2. Dick Webber
    3. I've confused you on one surname. My McElroy (not Mcevoy) ggrandfather was from Fermanagh, his wife Delia was from Cavan County. My "possible" from France was a gut feel because of all the spelling variations of Lovett sounded French? I have a pension record document for my ggrandmother Delia Lovett-Phillips-McElroy that was witnessed and signed in 1890 by Thomas McSherry, and his address was exactly the same NYC apartment as Delia and her two daughters and one son. There are other Lovett Cavan surname derivations spelled Lovit, Lovitt, Lovet, Lovatt, Loveett, Loveat, early 1800s C of I, and Tithes. And Griffiths. One Charles was a soldier in the 8th Foot? In 1829. Dick Webber -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 6:18 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Dick, The age discrepancies are amusing, aren't they? As far as where they in Cavan they were from, the only "confirmation" I was able to make was from the 1921 Cavan County, Townland of Togher, Parish of Crosserlough, Barony of Castlerahan census ( http://www.cmcrp.net/OtherCty/Cavan1821-1.htm ) where I found a Matthew McSherry, tailor, age 48, whose wife was Bridget, a Spinner, age 36, and son, Patrick, age 2. I believe these are my McSherry's because my ggggrandfather Patrick was a tailor, and his first son was Matthew..... but no other corroborating evidence, so I don't claim it as fact. (There are several McEvoy families in that census, but no Phillips') You claim Thomas McSherry lived in same apartment as your Delia in 1890... how did you find this information? Who were you referring to as "also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France?"...... my McSherry's?... or your Phillips/McEvoy's?... and why do you think they also originated from France? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:48 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] McSherry's from Cavan. Todd; All of my Irish lady relatives lost years in each census. That includes My ggrandmother's birth years went from 1847 when arriving in USA and wedding., 1854 in 1900 census, and 1861 at death in 1926. The funniest story was her two daughters and one youngest son that lived with her till her death. The spinster girls were all older than their brother, but each year got closer to him until (1930) he was older than them. That way the enumerator might not spill the beans to the neighbors! In 1890 your Thomas lived in the SAME apartment with my ggrandmother widow Delia and her at home two gals and son. I suspect they knew each other's family in Cavan! Where in Cavan were your McSherry's from? They also probably originated (as Lovetts) in France? Dick Webber Hendersonville NC USA -----Original Message----- From: Todd ONeill [mailto:document@choiceonemail.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 3:17 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) Thank you for info. I do believe these are my McSherry's. I also found that 1880 census record. It's interesting because in the 1860 NYC Fed Census, Catherine, her husband Patrick and 8 children are listed. Catherine is 39 in 1860, but in 1880 she's 55; Thomas is 15 in 1860, but 26 in 1880! I found a lot of age discrepancies in census reports. I think vanity was the probably the reason in most cases, but it could have been census takers misunderstood the Irish accent. I wish the census included what city or town the people were from, not just what country they were from. Anyway thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Webber To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:37 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. McSherry/ Smith (Smyth?) I do both Cavan (Lovett & Phillips) & Fermanagh (McElroy & Donnelly) research but plenty of NYC research. A Thomas McSherry witnessed my ggrandmother (Delia Phillips-McElroy) Civil War Pension request for her deceased husband Bernard. He (Thomas) signed it Nov 18th 1890 while living at 334 E 34th St. I did some further research and found a Thomas McSherry (26) in the 1880 NYC-federal census Living with his Mother Catharine McSherry (55). My notes say they lived at 217 E 59th St. Maybe this helps Todd? If this is your McSherry, keep me in the loop as have no idea why he was close to Delia McElroy? Now can anyone help me find Cavan records on my ggrandmother Delia/Brid.??? She and her Mother Francis/Mary Lovett-Phillips came over in 1851 to NYC. No sign ever of Peter Phillips from Cavan, Delias father, Francis's husband? -----Original Message-----

    02/18/2004 08:42:55
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. Smith (Smyth?) Brady
    2. Todd ONeill
    3. Nancy, do you know who your gggrandmother Bridget's sister Catherine (or Kathleen) married? I have a ggggrandmother Catherine (or Kathleen) Smith McSherry... married to Patrick McSherry. My Catherine Smith (no info on parents or siblings or what town in Cavan she was from) was born about 1821. She married Patrick McSherry about 1842. They moved to NYC about 1850 with 3 sons, Thomas Matthew and Patrick. They eventually had 4 more sons, and one daughter, Rose Anna. ----- Original Message ----- From: NPRAETZEL@aol.com To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. Smith (Smyth?) Brady Hi, my name is Nancy Praetzel, from California. I have communicated with Bill before. I have connections to McCabe, Smith and Brady families, from the area ofCo. Monaghan near the Cavan Border. My ggrandparents, Patrick and Bridget McCabe, of Greaghalone, Monaghan ( 5 miles +/- SE of Shercock in Cavan, and on the border) lived on a farm adjacent to that of the Smyth/Smiths, across the border in Cavan. Kathleen or Catherine Smith was Bridget McCabe's sisters. grandmother Annie McCabe came to San Francisco. with cousin Catherine Smith Jr. in 1890s. There were already McCabe and Smith Aunts and Uncles there to help. ( Philip Smith). Grandmother's sister Rose Anne, stayed in Ireland and married Brady, from Kingscourt. Daughter Mollie, There are still McCabe and Smith descendants in San Francisco Area.

    02/18/2004 07:59:13
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Someone to lookup 1831-1841 census Londonderry
    2. Gerald Sullivan
    3. Hollis wrote: >Looking for some kind sole to please check the 1831 1841 census for Londonderry for > >Mary Ann Milligan/Millican b. 1832 Derry, and her sister Catherine Milligan/ Millican b. about 1832. both came to Aust aboard ship 'Elizabeth' 1849 from London to Port Phillip no parents known. Thanks Barb Hollis > > > There is no Mary Anne or Catherine listed. Ther is an Anne Milligan,Lower Cumber, page 035

    02/18/2004 07:58:15
    1. [IRL-CAVAN] Flax Growers List
    2. E.Sharp
    3. Can anyone explain the 1796 Irish Flax Growers List? I am interested in the following: Patrick Farley ID 6039 Cavan Elaine

    02/18/2004 06:43:04
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. Smith (Smyth?) Brady
    2. Also interested in connections between Smith, McCabe, Brady and Reehill. Nancy Praetzel

    02/18/2004 06:34:06
    1. Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Roll Call List.. Smith (Smyth?) Brady
    2. Hi, my name is Nancy Praetzel, from California. I have communicated with Bill before. I have connections to McCabe, Smith and Brady families, from the area ofCo. Monaghan near the Cavan Border. My ggrandparents, Patrick and Bridget McCabe, of Greaghalone, Monaghan ( 5 miles +/- SE of Shercock in Cavan, and on the border) lived on a farm adjacent to that of the Smyth/Smiths, across the border in Cavan. Kathleen or Catherine Smith was Bridget McCabe's sisters. grandmother Annie McCabe came to San Francisco. with cousin Catherine Smith Jr. in 1890s. There were already McCabe and Smith Aunts and Uncles there to help. ( Philip Smith). Grandmother's sister Rose Anne, stayed in Ireland and married Brady, from Kingscourt. Daughter Mollie, There are still McCabe and Smith descendants in San Francisco Area.

    02/18/2004 06:33:21