Check the PRO online website for his military record, if he was discahrged to a pension you can get his discharge papers thru the LDS. They have a few details only general but they do say where he would have served so you could then follow this up. Also gives place of birth and age at enlistment regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Duke of Wellington during French War > I have found a short history written about my grandchildren's I. Farley > family. In it it says his father Patrick Farley born > abt. 1786/87 served under the Duke of Wellington during the French War. Is > there anywhere I could find a record of his serving under the Duke of > Wellington? The Farley family was from Co. Cavan (no parish, town, etc. > known at this time.) > > Thank You. > Elaine > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

William of Orange was from Orange in the Netherlands (or was the lord of there or something) he married Mary who was officially Queen of England in the 17th cent (sorry my history of Kings and Queens of Eng at this time is shaky) But anyway this was after the death of Charles the 2nd who as you may know left 22 children none of them legitimate. His brother James was Catholic and it was after the Civil War etc etc. So James got booted out chucking the Great Seal of England in the River Thams on the way out. The British parliament didn't trust a mere woman (Charles sister Mary) to look after the country properly (hmm Eliza the first Queen Anne Queen Viccy seemed to have managed pretty well for the country) so they invited over a good solid Protestant to marry her and get the country at the same time, ie William of O. He landed at Brixham in Devon and held his first Parliament at a local farmhouse. The deal was that they reigned together as the Parliament was too keen on turning over everything to a jolly foreigner, hence WilliamandMary. William had a campaign against the Catholics of Ireland and beat them at the battle of the Boyne and started all the troubles today. Protestants were settled in the good bits of Ireland (mostly Ulster) and catholics were generally persequeted ,forbidden to be catholic ,hold land ,speak irish etc. So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think Orangeman as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. Green is the catholic colour (the wearing of the green was one of the things forbidden) and orange for protestants. Wearing orange on St Patricks day or green on an apprentices march wouldn't just be an insult in many parts of NI, it would be a good way to get a thumping or worse! Migrant Irish took their squabbles to Glasgow scotland (Always trouble at Celtis vs Rangers football matches), west coast of Cumbria Eng (lots of interfamily strife still) and the mining towns of West Coast New Zealand (some truely spectacular barneys and riots in the past) That's only a general overview I'm afraid and you may notice I have a small cynical problem with people who claim to be christian and fighting someone else over their form of christianity (on both sides I hasten to add) There's probably some web site for Orangemen that might tell you more. If you find the right local association of The Orange Brotherhood they might have some details on your ancestor. Many of these would probably be pretty boring meeting records (like past notes of the WI) but would probably tell you his position in the organisation etc.The son of an Orangeman would probably follow in his fathers shoes to an extent, whether he would rise as high in the organisation is less certain. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Fitzpatrick" <maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their birthdays are in June.) > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > Mo > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on Feb. > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me that my > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. They > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. His > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > Questions: > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was one > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > etc.? > > Karen > Glendora, CA > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > Cleveland Film Society > Phone: 914-712-0414 > Fax: 914-712-0415 > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

Thanks for the lesson Jane. I, too have an Orangeman and wonder about whether there were any records kept of them and where to find out a bit more about what they did and when. I am currently reading the book "Trinity" by Leon Uris which takes one back to the dire poverty of Ireland in the 1800's and the Catholic versus the Protestants. It is a slow read and quite sad. It is mostly from the Catholic perspective but nonetheless a very interesting book if you have Irish on your tree. The libraries should all have it. Marg A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > William of Orange was from Orange in the Netherlands (or was the lord of > there or something) he married Mary who was officially Queen of England in > the 17th cent (sorry my history of Kings and Queens of Eng at this time is > shaky) But anyway this was after the death of Charles the 2nd who as you may > know left 22 children none of them legitimate. His brother James was > Catholic and it was after the Civil War etc etc. So James got booted out > chucking the Great Seal of England in the River Thams on the way out. The > British parliament didn't trust a mere woman (Charles sister Mary) to look > after the country properly (hmm Eliza the first Queen Anne Queen Viccy > seemed to have managed pretty well for the country) so they invited over a > good solid Protestant to marry her and get the country at the same time, ie > William of O. He landed at Brixham in Devon and held his first Parliament at > a local farmhouse. The deal was that they reigned together as the Parliament > was too keen on turning over everything to a jolly foreigner, hence > WilliamandMary. > William had a campaign against the Catholics of Ireland and beat them at the > battle of the Boyne and started all the troubles today. Protestants were > settled in the good bits of Ireland (mostly Ulster) and catholics were > generally persequeted ,forbidden to be catholic ,hold land ,speak irish etc. > So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so > called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think Orangeman > as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant > community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. > Green is the catholic colour (the wearing of the green was one of the things > forbidden) and orange for protestants. Wearing orange on St Patricks day or > green on an apprentices march wouldn't just be an insult in many parts of > NI, it would be a good way to get a thumping or worse! > Migrant Irish took their squabbles to Glasgow scotland (Always trouble at > Celtis vs Rangers football matches), west coast of Cumbria Eng (lots of > interfamily strife still) and the mining towns of West Coast New Zealand > (some truely spectacular barneys and riots in the past) > That's only a general overview I'm afraid and you may notice I have a small > cynical problem with people who claim to be christian and fighting someone > else over their form of christianity (on both sides I hasten to add) > There's probably some web site for Orangemen that might tell you more. If > you find the right local association of The Orange Brotherhood they might > have some details on your ancestor. Many of these would probably be pretty > boring meeting records (like past notes of the WI) but would probably tell > you his position in the organisation etc.The son of an Orangeman would > probably follow in his fathers shoes to an extent, whether he would rise as > high in the organisation is less certain. > regards > > Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen Fitzpatrick" <maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com> > To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > > > > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The > name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they > are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their > birthdays are in June.) > > > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange > on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > > > Mo > > > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on > Feb. > > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me > that my > > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. > They > > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. > His > > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > > > Questions: > > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was > one > > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > > etc.? > > > > Karen > > Glendora, CA > > > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > > Cleveland Film Society > > Phone: 914-712-0414 > > Fax: 914-712-0415 > > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

In a message dated 2/26/04 5:24:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, margold56@hotmail.com writes: > What is foolish is a celebration where the celebrants have no idea of the > true > events which they are commemorating. I second that -- and have enjoyed this discussion. I, too, wondered what the term "orangemen" meant, but never thought to ask. Thanks, everyone. ~ Tamy in Nevada, USA

COMMENTS IN CAPS RE LOVETT REUNION NZ NORTH ISLAND. ANY CHANCE OF GETTING A CONTACT FROM THE REUNION ON SHARING CAVAN/LOVETT INFO? DICK WEBBER NC USA -----Original Message----- From: J T Pearson Outdoor Training [mailto:jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:00 PM To: Dick Webber Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen Apparently there's a Lovett reunion in NZ in Apr, don't think I'll be able to get to it tho cos it's in North Island regards

Does anyone know a source for the truth about burning women? What for? When started? When ended? etc. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Stanton" <kay-stanton@cfl.rr.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Anglo Celt - B-M-D - July 22, 1852 > "The Anglo Celt" > > Cavan; Thursday, July 22, 1852 > > > > > > It is estimated that more than 50,000 lbs. changed hands in betting on the results of the Liverpool election. > > > > > > WOMAN EXECUTED BY BURNING AT DUBLIN. - A gentleman is still alive, or was so very recently, who saw the last woman who was burned, in Dublin, at the place of public execution, which was where the handsome line of feshionable (sic) street, called Fitzwilliam Street, now is; and I am acquainted with a gentleman whose kitchen fire-place was as nearly as possible on the spot. - Notes and Querries. > > > > > > BIRTHS. > > July 17, at No. 1, Park-lane, Viscountess SEAHAM, of a son and heir. > > July 14, at Woolwich, the wife of Captain NEDHAM, Royal Artillery, of a daughter. > > > > MARRIAGES. > > July 17, at St. Peter's Church, by the Rev. Mr. Wallis, John Joseph LYONS, Esq., of Gloucester-street, to Emily, daughter of the late James MOORE, Esq. > > July 15, in Newry, William IRWIN, Esq., son of the late Rev. B. IRWIN, rector of Laracoe, county Meath, to Bit___ (?), daughter of the late George GLENNY, Esq., of Moore___ (?) county Armagh. > > > > > > DEATHS. > > July 18, at Proby-square, Blackrock, James ROE, Esq., age 72 years. > > July 18, Selina, relict of the Rev. H. L. BAYLY, of Rally___ (?), county Wicklow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

In a message dated 2/26/2004 4:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz writes: > I don't know whether Masons as a whole hate Catholics tons of masons are catholic Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

My g-g-grandfather Andrew Allwell joined the Irish Constabulary in May 1847 on the recommendation of the Rev. J Brady, his Parish Priest. Can anyone tell me which Cavan Parish the Rev J Brady was parish priest of as I will then be able to track where my ancestor was from. At the moment all I know is that he was born in County Caven. Richard

J.T. Pearson, et al.: Many years ago, when I was a freshman in college, I had a prof say "There is no more brutal war than one waged in the name of Religion. Both sides, except for the leadership, are driven by a self-rightous zeal in pursuing the ends espoused by their faction. It is incorrect to say, as you point out, that all Catholics hate Protestants or that all Protestents hate Catholics. Which, from a personal perspective, is very fortunate for me! Ian Paisley, is the "GEORGE WALLACE" of Ulster, he was also the biggest money raiser that the IRA and Shien Fein ever had. This probably explains his longevity. But for too long he has been portrayed as the acrhetypical Ulster Orangeman/Protestent. He is not! Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness are NOT the archetypical Ulster Catholic for that matter. It is the politicians, and power brokers who keep this antagonism on the front burner so that they may retain power, and power equates with privaledge and money. Just look at the good old USofA today. Parades and celebrations are not, in and of themselves, foolish. What is foolish is a celebration where the celebrants have no idea of the true events which they are commerating. The Original Orangemen celebrated the Battle of Aughrim which took place in July of 1691, one year after the Battle of the Boyne which, courtesy of a young, bold, dashing, brave and none too bright cavalry commander named Sedgewick, gave James II a victory he apparently did not want. The Annual celebration of Aughrim is mentioned in one of Kay Stanton's transcription of "The ANGLO-CELT" not too long ago. James left Ireland the day after the Boyne, and William fled Ireland the day after that. War, all war, is the statement of the ultimate failure of the human spirit. Bill Golden, Green Harbor, Massachusetts _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/

E.Sharp wrote: > > I have found a short history written about my grandchildren's I. Farley > family. In it it says his father Patrick Farley born > abt. 1786/87 served under the Duke of Wellington during the French War. Is > there anywhere I could find a record of his serving under the Duke of > Wellington? The Farley family was from Co. Cavan (no parish, town, etc. > known at this time.) > > Thank You. > Elaine > > Hi Elaine, For whatever it may be worth, there is a book that I have entitled "Wellington's Masterpiece, the Battle and Campaign of Salamanca". This is a military history of Wellington's campaigns against the French in Spain. It would give you the background of your ancestor's service and most of the the names of the units involved. It does not include the later battles in Europe, especially the Battle of Waterloo, where Wellington finally defeated Napoleon. So depending on where your ancestor served, this might help your research. Bill

TRINITY, which is a novel, is a good read about this subject. Joan Griffin Rusk - > Marg A. > ----- Original Message ----- ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN

> So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so > called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think Orangeman > as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant > community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. Strikes me that you're very hazy on most points. Not all Protestants are Orangemen (although some of those who are both may well hate Catholics). Not all Protestants hate Catholics. Not all Protestants or Orangemen are/were Masons (not sure where that came from but you clearly have your own set of biases). But, more inportantly, not all Masons are Protestants, very few are/were Orangemen, and virtually none of them hate Catholics.

In a message dated 2/25/2004 11:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com writes: > You're right. I hope no one would think that all Protestants are bad. I'm > Buddhist. I'm intrigued by all social and religious events/beliefs. > > Mo > > CARADOC28@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2004 6:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, > maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com writes: > > > > An Orangeman is a Protestant. > all protestants are not orange men aka 1798 > > Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning > - > carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchu > g > h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop, > M > a.-sprague- and ever growing list > i am decended from people who were probably both and exciled about 1810 or before because of 1798 or Robert Emmett.They came to chelsea ma which had business run bylongford presbiteryians who because the yankees did not like anyone irish or either religion.,could not get employees. they told the remaining exworkers to come to chelsea they did Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Hi, From a geography book that my children have been reading titled "Northern Ireland in Pictures", prepared by the Geography Department, Lerner Publications Company, published 1991 (part of the Visual Geography Series), comes the following segment, pg. 26-27: "The English Kings Charles II (1660-1685) and James II (1685-1690), who were sympathetic to Catholics, tried to reestablish some rights for the Irish [this was following the introductions of many English and Scottish Protestants to both the Parliament and the land by James I, King of England and Scotland since 1603]. The Protestant prince William of Orange soon overshadowed these efforts. William challenged James II's right to rule England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. In 1690 William's forces defeated James' troops at a battle near the Boyne River in eastern Ireland. After his victory at the Battle of the Boyne, William became king of Great Britian and Ireland. Many Protestants in Ireland, especially in northern Ireland, had fought on William III's side. Since the eighteenth century, their decendants have gathered in an organization known as the Orange Order to recall the Protestant victory and to strengthen ties among themselves." For those who are truly interested in understanding the historical events and the political, social, and religious atmosphere our ancestors survived through, and an awareness of the Orange Order from the organization itself, I would highly recommend a lengthy visit to the following website: http://www.orangenet.org/ This site is rich with details and emotion that many of our history books lack. If anyone knows of a similiar site that could enlighten us on perspectives from the Catholic side it would be helpful to us all to be aware of it. It is a sad reminder of Ireland's difficult and war-torn past that people who love her still do battle with not just bullets and blades but emotion and words as well. I pray that those of us that have descended from the labor and sacrifice and strength and grit of these people will make them proud by finding another way. Faith will always be with us, politics will most likely be with us just as long, but learning from those who have gone before is what enbles us to rise above and make the future better. We may look back on the things that have been done and be saddened by them, but if we try to interpret them through the eyes of the current generation I think we will fail to understand what our grandfathers and our great-grandmothers were truly like. To be tolerant of those who practice of their faith differs from our own is only possible for us today because of the world (or perhaps I should day nations) we are blessed to live in. We do not face being burned alive before our families because we are Protestant, we do not have to choose between our form of worship and our right to own property because we are Catholic, and we do not live in a time when our very lives risk being turned inside out because one King died and his opposite takes his place. Ours is a different world and we owe it to our forefathers to truly try to understand theirs. I think if we do we will find them amazing people, all of them. My great-grandfather, James Drury, emigrated with his parents and siblings from Bailieborough, Cavan at the end of the 1800's. He was an Orangeman, as were his brothers, and they marched every July 12th in the parade in Melfort, Saskatchewan. I have old photos and newspaper clippings of them in kilts and banners, one playing the drums and my g-grandfather playing his fife. They were not violent, they were not angry, they were celebrating what it meant to be proud to love their homeland, to be willing to stand up for their faith (as all people of faith should), and to gather together in a sense of oneness that only those displaced from their home can share. My g-grandfather may not have wanted his daughter to marry a Catholic, but he never taught his family hatred and he didn't desire bigotry. For his sake I speak out, not to defend Protestantism or Orangemen, but to defend our ancestors rights to feel powerfully about the events that had such an impact on their lives. Kimberley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil & Marg Andrews" <nandrews@caloundra.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Thanks for the lesson Jane. I, too have an Orangeman and wonder > about whether there were any records kept of them and where to > find out a bit more about what they did and when. > I am currently reading the book "Trinity" by Leon Uris which takes > one back to the dire poverty of Ireland in the 1800's and the Catholic > versus the Protestants. It is a slow read and quite sad. > It is mostly from the Catholic perspective but nonetheless a very > interesting book if you have Irish on your tree. > The libraries should all have it. > Marg A. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz> > To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > > > > William of Orange was from Orange in the Netherlands (or was the lord of > > there or something) he married Mary who was officially Queen of England in > > the 17th cent (sorry my history of Kings and Queens of Eng at this time is > > shaky) But anyway this was after the death of Charles the 2nd who as you > may > > know left 22 children none of them legitimate. His brother James was > > Catholic and it was after the Civil War etc etc. So James got booted out > > chucking the Great Seal of England in the River Thams on the way out. The > > British parliament didn't trust a mere woman (Charles sister Mary) to look > > after the country properly (hmm Eliza the first Queen Anne Queen Viccy > > seemed to have managed pretty well for the country) so they invited over a > > good solid Protestant to marry her and get the country at the same time, > ie > > William of O. He landed at Brixham in Devon and held his first Parliament > at > > a local farmhouse. The deal was that they reigned together as the > Parliament > > was too keen on turning over everything to a jolly foreigner, hence > > WilliamandMary. > > William had a campaign against the Catholics of Ireland and beat them at > the > > battle of the Boyne and started all the troubles today. Protestants were > > settled in the good bits of Ireland (mostly Ulster) and catholics were > > generally persequeted ,forbidden to be catholic ,hold land ,speak irish > etc. > > So your Orange men are vehemently protestant (see the teachings of the so > > called Rev Ian Paisly) hate Catholics and are also Masons. I think > Orangeman > > as a term probably describes some one of some standing in the Protestant > > community but I'm a bit hazy on that point. > > Green is the catholic colour (the wearing of the green was one of the > things > > forbidden) and orange for protestants. Wearing orange on St Patricks day > or > > green on an apprentices march wouldn't just be an insult in many parts of > > NI, it would be a good way to get a thumping or worse! > > Migrant Irish took their squabbles to Glasgow scotland (Always trouble at > > Celtis vs Rangers football matches), west coast of Cumbria Eng (lots of > > interfamily strife still) and the mining towns of West Coast New Zealand > > (some truely spectacular barneys and riots in the past) > > That's only a general overview I'm afraid and you may notice I have a > small > > cynical problem with people who claim to be christian and fighting someone > > else over their form of christianity (on both sides I hasten to add) > > There's probably some web site for Orangemen that might tell you more. If > > you find the right local association of The Orange Brotherhood they might > > have some details on your ancestor. Many of these would probably be pretty > > boring meeting records (like past notes of the WI) but would probably tell > > you his position in the organisation etc.The son of an Orangeman would > > probably follow in his fathers shoes to an extent, whether he would rise > as > > high in the organisation is less certain. > > regards > > > > Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen Fitzpatrick" <maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com> > > To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > > > > > > > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. > The > > name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence > they > > are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their > > birthdays are in June.) > > > > > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing > orange > > on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > > > > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > > > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on > > Feb. > > > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me > > that my > > > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. > > They > > > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. > > His > > > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > > > > > Questions: > > > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son > was > > one > > > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > > > etc.? > > > > > > Karen > > > Glendora, CA > > > > > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) > or > > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest > mode) > > > > > > > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > > > Cleveland Film Society > > > Phone: 914-712-0414 > > > Fax: 914-712-0415 > > > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) > or > > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest > mode) > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > >

Isn't every committee??? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Ferguson" <colinf@sierratel.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Re: Conservative Committee > Karen, > Here is an interesting site: > http://www.a2a.org.uk/default.asp > > If you search on the phrase Co* Cavan then you will get 20 hits. One of > them was as follows: > > Political correspondence, 1855. > From Samuel Moore [Conservative Committee, Cavan] > Somerset Archive and Record Service, ref. DD\HY/24/9/100 > > I would guess then that the Conservative Committee was a political animal. > -- > Cheers, > Colin Ferguson > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, July 29, 1852 BIRTHS. July 22, at Springfield, Mohill, the lady of the Rev. Samuel EVANS HOOPS, of a son. July 22, Lady MURRAY, Dublin, of a daughter. July 24, at Upper Dorset-street, Dublin, the wife of the Rev. David R. BLEAKLY, of a daughter. MARRIAGES. July 23, at Annan, Dumfries, by the Rev. W. N. FERGUSON, Thomas H. CHRISTIAN, Esq., of Dublin, to Kate, youngest daughter of John ABERNETHY, Esq., of Ballougher, in the county of Tipperary. July 22, at Claygate, Surrey, by the Rev. Thomas SEDGER, Thomas Frederick YEO, Esq., of Kingstown, county of Dublin, to Matilda, second daughter of Colonel Robert DOUGLAS, C.B., late Royal Artillery. DEATHS. On the 24th July inst., Mr. John Reilly, butcher, Cavan. July 26, in Longford, aged sixty years, Mr. Michael KENNA. July 23, in North Great George's-street, Ellen Mary, second daughter of Bryan O'DONNELL, Esq., of Hill Cottage Kilmallock. MONAGHAN PRESBYTERY. - This Presbytery, at its meeting on the 7th inst., licensed Mr. W. WHITE, son to the Rev. W. WHITE of Stonebridge, Clones, to preach the gospel.

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, July 22, 1852 It is estimated that more than 50,000 lbs. changed hands in betting on the results of the Liverpool election. WOMAN EXECUTED BY BURNING AT DUBLIN. - A gentleman is still alive, or was so very recently, who saw the last woman who was burned, in Dublin, at the place of public execution, which was where the handsome line of feshionable (sic) street, called Fitzwilliam Street, now is; and I am acquainted with a gentleman whose kitchen fire-place was as nearly as possible on the spot. - Notes and Querries. BIRTHS. July 17, at No. 1, Park-lane, Viscountess SEAHAM, of a son and heir. July 14, at Woolwich, the wife of Captain NEDHAM, Royal Artillery, of a daughter. MARRIAGES. July 17, at St. Peter's Church, by the Rev. Mr. Wallis, John Joseph LYONS, Esq., of Gloucester-street, to Emily, daughter of the late James MOORE, Esq. July 15, in Newry, William IRWIN, Esq., son of the late Rev. B. IRWIN, rector of Laracoe, county Meath, to Bit___ (?), daughter of the late George GLENNY, Esq., of Moore___ (?) county Armagh. DEATHS. July 18, at Proby-square, Blackrock, James ROE, Esq., age 72 years. July 18, Selina, relict of the Rev. H. L. BAYLY, of Rally___ (?), county Wicklow.

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, July 15, 1852 DEATH. July 7, at Newcastle, at an advanced age, Elouise, second daughter of the late Reverend JAMES, rector of Moore & Drum, and incumbent of St. Peter's, Athlone.

Re: ANGLO CELT "THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH " At an ordination by the Lord Bishop of Meath, in the Church of Ardbracan, for the Diocese of Meath, on Sunday, the 24th December, 1848, the following persons were admitted to the holy order of Priests:--" So ...is the "Established Church" the Church of Ireland? Thanks, Karen

Hi All I was raised as a Protestant in Fallowfield, Ontario, Canada. My Father was Irish, my Grandparents immigrated to Ottawa Canada from Ireland during the potato famine, ( I am still awaiting someone to give me info on the Lytles from Ireland) as a child our Father used to take us to the Orange parades on July 12, King Billy would be riding the white horse and there e were all kind of marching bands present. They do not hold them anymore, only one I know of is in Shawville, Quebec where each year you can go and see the spectacle. fond memories from Helen(Lytle, Dillabough,) Tape > An Orangeman is a Protestant. They are the people who march in July. The name is from William of Orange. (My kids are both born in July -- hence they are "Wee-Willies". My family in Derry always tells me to say their birthdays are in June.) > > My parents always said that the greatest insult was people wearing orange on St. Patrick's day (mind you the Irish flag has orange in it). > > Hopefully someone will give a more educated answer than mine. > > Mo > > Clannessie@aol.com wrote: > Just going through my saved emails and re-read the "Anglo-Celt" sent on Feb. > 23. The first part was a funeral for an Orangeman and that reminded me that my > Aunt mentioned her Dad, my Grandfather born in 1881, was an Orangeman. They > lived in the Townland of Drumgrannon, Clonfeacle Parish, Moy on a farm. His > father, born in 1855, was a farmer and Land Bailiff for Lord Charlemont. > > Questions: > Could I have a quick lesson on what an "Orangeman" was and if the son was one > would the father be one? Would there have been records kept on meetings, > etc.? > > Karen > Glendora, CA > > Taylor, Simpson, Young, Thomson, Woods, Savage, Cooper, Garroway > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > > > Maureen Fitzpatrick > Cleveland Film Society > Phone: 914-712-0414 > Fax: 914-712-0415 > email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >