Charlotte, The 'Established Church' is sometimes referred to in records as 'EC'. This is the Church of Ireland in Irish records and the Church of England in English records. They all refer to the same denomination that is known in the USA as the Episcopal Church or Anglican Church. In Ireland [in the 1700 and 1800's at least] the Church of Ireland a/k/a Established Church were referred to as Protestants. The other denominations were known by their individual names: Methodist; Quaker; Plymouth Brethren; Presbyterian; Seceder Presbyterian, etc. Nowadays, the term 'Protestant' is an umbrella term for all the above. The Established Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, not Anglican/Episcopal. Patricia

Okay.... Now hear me! If you can't be nice, take your toys home and leave the list alone! Here's the deal. I'm a fairly easy-going admin, but here are the rules. This list has always been civil. It will remain civil, from this point forward. If you have any problems with that, write to me individually and not on the list. It takes up too much space in the archives and no one wants to read that drivel. I'm not sure how this conversation got out of hand and I don't care. I was going to write to each person who participated in the conversation, but feel this is a better way to have all subscribers understand my commitment to a happy, successful list. Suffice it to say, that I will not tolerate any more unkindness, irresponsible behavior, OR rude comments to, about or from subscribers on this list. If you can't be nice, you won't be on this list. Period. This list is for discussion of genealogy, history, language, culture, family, etc. If you can't discuss these things in a genuinely pleasant and amicable manner, I will take steps to remove you. That's the benefit of being the list admin. I don't drop the ax often, but it is severe when it happens. So, this conversation is done, complete, zip, over. The next person to say one more thing in a negative tone or continue this discussion on the list in any way, shape or form, will be placed on the reject list! Period. Got a complaint, comment, wish, hope or dream, write me off the list. But if it can't be resolved amicably, you then become history on this list. Got it? Amen. Over and out! Denise A. Wells Vice-President, Florida Chapter Association of Professional Genealogists Member of International Society of Family History Writers & Editors Member of International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists List-Owner, IRL-Cavan-L, and many others cc for Arapahoe County and Denver County Colorado GenWeb USGenWeb cc for Cos. Cavan, Clare & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator www.irelandgenweb.com/ Former Education Director, Genealogical Society of Marion County, IN

Thank you Denise. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada s.brown@dccnet.com www.user.dccnet.com/s.brown/

Hi, I just want to thank you for stopping the mania. I was the first person to respond to the question "Orangemen" and tried to be non-biased and brief. I was afraid that someone might answer first in an inflamatory manner --as we know that happened immediately. After the first 5 messages I deleted all that said "Orangemen." I've had first hand experience with the Orangemen Parades and knew my opinions would spur venom -- my opinions are very neutral :-) My family lives in Derry. Thanks again, Mo CountyCavan@aol.com wrote: Okay.... Now hear me! If you can't be nice, take your toys home and leave the list alone! Here's the deal. I'm a fairly easy-going admin, but here are the rules. This list has always been civil. It will remain civil, from this point forward. If you have any problems with that, write to me individually and not on the list. It takes up too much space in the archives and no one wants to read that drivel. I'm not sure how this conversation got out of hand and I don't care. I was going to write to each person who participated in the conversation, but feel this is a better way to have all subscribers understand my commitment to a happy, successful list. Suffice it to say, that I will not tolerate any more unkindness, irresponsible behavior, OR rude comments to, about or from subscribers on this list. If you can't be nice, you won't be on this list. Period. This list is for discussion of genealogy, history, language, culture, family, etc. If you can't discuss these things in a genuinely pleasant and amicable manner, I will take steps to remove you. That's the benefit of being the list admin. I don't drop the ax often, but it is severe when it happens. So, this conversation is done, complete, zip, over. The next person to say one more thing in a negative tone or continue this discussion on the list in any way, shape or form, will be placed on the reject list! Period. Got a complaint, comment, wish, hope or dream, write me off the list. But if it can't be resolved amicably, you then become history on this list. Got it? Amen. Over and out! Denise A. Wells Vice-President, Florida Chapter Association of Professional Genealogists Member of International Society of Family History Writers & Editors Member of International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists List-Owner, IRL-Cavan-L, and many others cc for Arapahoe County and Denver County Colorado GenWeb USGenWeb cc for Cos. Cavan, Clare & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator www.irelandgenweb.com/ Former Education Director, Genealogical Society of Marion County, IN ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com

Well done Mike a good sumation AND hard historical info. AND you haven't insulted anyone , tho you may be treading on thin ice with the Hitler and Nazis commentn not to mention whether gays should marry, I've thought it several times during this thread (re Hitler) but haven't had the guts to come out with it, as it is I now triple lock the doors and windows and daren't show my face in public in case other lkist members are out there waiting for me;) Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cassidy" <cassidy@panix.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > This is from someone I know who has done Ireland research. If you wish more > information from her you can e-mail her directly: "Linda Merle" > <merle@mail.fea.net>. > She gave me permission to post this and her e-mail address. > > Do me favor, e-mail her only for information not to discuss your views on > Irish or US politics. > > We haven't yet started to call each other Nazi and Hilter but we have > started to tell each to leave 'the country' , which is amusing since the > list international. > > Genealogy is history so at times we will find our discussing things > politcially 'hot,' I do think we needn't poke each other in the eye. > > There is no doubt that the list has people of both Irish Republican > [nothing to do with Bush] and Unionist's opinions, I can tell you that we > can discuss this for month, for several years and we are not going to solve > it on an e-mail list. I doubt we could solve or agree on an even simplier > issue of whether gays should be able to marry. > > There is no doubt the list has Amercian Republicans and Amercian Democrats > but the list is about Cavan. > > Hi Mike, > > I can imagine the discussion in Cavan!!! The > short version of it is its the Protestant AOH. > > Ie it is a sectarian organization whose purpose > was to help protect its community and foster its > views and religion and harrass the other side. > It grew out of the 1790s troubles. During various > parts of its history it was illegal so of course > there are no records. By around 1850 you find it > in the USA and Canada where it gave charity to > new immigrants: blankets, places to live, and jobs. > The Indians in Canada formed their own lodges > as Canada protected them agains the nasty US, > who tried its best to exterminate them. > > Records: the Orangemen are lot a like Presbyterians: very independent. Each > lodge elects its own members. So the quality and views vary a lot. The > grand lodge tends to be much more moderate and forward thinking than the > local lodges. Each lodge held its own records. Some end up centralized. In > Ulster that's in GOLI (Grand Orange Lodge) and in the USA it was the Balch > Institute, > that is now the PA Historical Society or something like that. I have the > email of the man who deposited the records of defunct American lodges > there. If the lodge is not defunct, then the records are held by the local > lodge. The same email can assist in finding out the status. > > This website can help: > http://www.orangenet.org/ > > The Orange Order is undergoing a renaissance in the USA among evangelical > Christians. It seems much more able to recruit them then Noraid, which was > trying a few years ago. As such it is less focused on Ulster. The US group > are totally apolitical though a few members are not. It's largely another > men's club like the Masons. > > Most Protestant men would have been members of the Orange Order in Ireland > in the latter 1800s and so on. I am sure that some were not due to > religious reasons (don't believe in secret societies, etc). Some would have > been kicked out for marrying Catholics too. > > Hope this info helps! > > Linda > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jazz is freedom. - T. Monk > http://www.panix.com/~cassidy > [Public key available.] > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

A good and fair pint but unfortinately some people take their pride way too far.If I got a mistaken impression from your email that you were one of these then I apologise, I was probably getting confused with all the sectarian support from the sidelines. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <MeadowlandsNJ@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:02:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz writes: > As we seem to be split into those who are proud to be American and those > nasty people who either are not or those of us who merely live in the rest > of the world. > You should be proud of whatever you are. I never said anyone else was nasty. > I, personally, am glad I am American. I love my country and I will say it > everytime someone puts it down. For all it's faults and sometimes disastrous > foreign policies it's still my home. My ancestors have shed their blood for > this country all the way from the Revolutionary War through the War of 1812 > through the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korean War (my father is a Korean War Veteran) and > Vietnam. My Irish ancestors came here to NYC make a better life for > themselves and their family. They worked on the docks and construction to help build > this country--I can't turn my back on all they sacrificed and went through to > try to make a better country. > > Donna T > > > B > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

Elaine, Mine received a pension and moved to NZ where he still got the pension, admittedly he went to NZ on a military scheme for pensioners so it was all part of the package deal, but I would imagine your guy would still have been eligable, if as you say he qualified in the first place. From my look thru records the qualification seemed to have been, of no further use to the military, and of good character. Good character seems generally to have meant not thrown into prison too often for being drunk. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname, pension > On some family records and documents our ancestors last name is O'Reilly. > On others it is Riley. Is their original surname O'Reilly shortened to > Riley? > > Also, if an ancestors served with Wellington and received a pension and > moved to Canada, would he still have received that pension in Canada (so > far, I have not ascertained he qualified/received a pension - still > researching). > > Thank you. > "E"laine > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

My Grand Uncle, Hugh James or Hugh Thomas REILLY, born in Australia to Farrell and Susan Jane REILLY, after his release from the Army after WW1 appears to have gone to Cavan to live, we do not know a lot about him, he was my Grandfather's third youngest brother. Have found him in some records as Hugh James and others as Hugh Thomas, which is confusing enough, he apparently married in Co Cavan and possibly had 6 children there, would like to be able to contact some or all of them, last contact anyone in the family had with his descendants was in 1976 when his Sister-in-law passed away. Any suggestions on how I might be able to trace him or his family would be gratefully received. My Great Grandfather Hugh's father was Christened at Drumgoon in 1845, as Farl REILLY, He m. Susan Jane Leydo(e)n in Co Cavan in 1879, they arrived in Australia IN 1880 having their first son Michael aboard ship [cant find him born here, but do have a photo of him!] In Australia he was always Farrell REILLY they actually had 11 children born, 10 lived. I would dearly love to find out some history on Hugh to ad to my collection. Thank you, Susan Jeffery LISMORE NSW AUSTRALIA. P.S. My other Great Grandfather William McELWAIN was born in Bailieborough in 1865, he like the REILLY family ended up in the Bendigo area of Victoria, his 3rd daughter married the youngest Reilly son, we have also discovered that there are Great Greats and times 3 that were from Co Armagh all on my Mother's side of the family.!!!

I have Riley-O'Reilly etc. that came from over there someplace. Still looking. In the US, they spelled it Riley. Helen Rehm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Murray" <megmurray@lineone.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname, pension > We have relatives in Cavan today who are really O'Reilly but are beginning > to call themselves Reilly. There is no agenda other than the meaning of the > O > (son of, I believe) seems rather 'old hat' these days. I think it is a bit > of a shame but that is evolution, I guess. > > Margaret. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> > To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 27 February 2004 18:24 > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname, pension > > > > On some family records and documents our ancestors last name is O'Reilly. > > On others it is Riley. Is their original surname O'Reilly shortened to > > Riley? > > > > Also, if an ancestors served with Wellington and received a pension and > > moved to Canada, would he still have received that pension in Canada (so > > far, I have not ascertained he qualified/received a pension - still > > researching). > > > > Thank you. > > "E"laine > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

We have relatives in Cavan today who are really O'Reilly but are beginning to call themselves Reilly. There is no agenda other than the meaning of the O (son of, I believe) seems rather 'old hat' these days. I think it is a bit of a shame but that is evolution, I guess. Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 27 February 2004 18:24 Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname, pension > On some family records and documents our ancestors last name is O'Reilly. > On others it is Riley. Is their original surname O'Reilly shortened to > Riley? > > Also, if an ancestors served with Wellington and received a pension and > moved to Canada, would he still have received that pension in Canada (so > far, I have not ascertained he qualified/received a pension - still > researching). > > Thank you. > "E"laine > > ______________________________

Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josi" <seosimhin@btopenworld.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] No wimmen? > > > Are there no orange wimmen? only if they've been drinking too much carrot juice, a womans place is barefoot in the kitchen of course > are the children GBT.*..likely to be > orange too..? modern food additives make it highly likely > Do the women...march too.? Barefoot? > I shall watch the news for the 'marching season' > beats the H*** out of footie what doesn't, there's an article from 2001 on NZOOM perhaps if they were all persuaded to wear pink instead of orange and green they would become less aggressive:) jane > > * God Bless Them > -------------------------------- > Visit my newsletter website at: > www.btinternet.com/~finty/ > --------------------------------- > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

AMEN! Dick Webber NC USA -----Original Message----- From: CountyCavan@aol.com [mailto:CountyCavan@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:30 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] from LIST ADMIN - enough already I think it's time to bring this conversation to a close, or take it off the list to your own personal email addresses. If it doesn't come to a close, I'll begin unsubbing those who are discussing this. Let's get back to genealogy NOW. Thanks. List Admin ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode)

Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Siaoh@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Jane, > I wouldn't belabor the point that you are trying to make, concerning your > imput on the state of Ireland. You've lost me a bit there. I merely felt that the FACTS about the troops being sent to the Province and partition should be stated. ..but I would like to point out that if you read > your history there were originally NINE counties of Ulster before the Brits made > a monumental decision and decided that THREE of the counties were > predominately CATHOLIC and would have been the MAJORITY had they left things alone. Fair comment, it wasn't the only time they messed with the boundaries to get things the way they want them. However if they had not organised things that way then the Protestants would have rebelled , probably butchering the Catholics as a result, if you were in power what would you have done? Please note that the term Brits was coined as an insult It's > ironic that the most NORTHERN county of Ireland, Donegal, is considered part > of the SOUTH...why? And as for your other statement about "terrorism" almost > being a way of life in Ireland....just think if Washington's forces had been > defeated on numerous occassions and kept up the fight for years anyhow to attain > freedom and justice...what would his armies(?) have been called....although I > don't believe "terrorists" was the phrase in those days it was more like > traitors or seditionists or any other title that the British could make stick. A terrorist is defined as one who sets out to strike terror into the populace. Bursting into peoples house and shooting them, kidnapp and torture, bombing public areas , the list goes on ,during the main years of the'troubles" these events happened on a daily basis, do you think that is NOT terrorism? and people lived their lives with it. And yes if Washingtons army had been defeated fighting against their lawful government of the day and had kept on fighting then they would have been seditionists or rebels, if they had used methods of terror against the populace they would have been terrorists. After all if Afghan soldiers fighting a foreign invader on their own soil can be deemed "illegal combatants" and incarcerated without rights, trial, access to lawyers, or their family for what several years by the "upholder of truth and justice" then why shouldn't the British government in less democratic times call people rebelling against it anything it jolly well pleases? > Let's leave the history to historians and get back to our original > goals.....GENEALOGY. I've already stated my views on the links betwen history and geneaology but agree this has got well sidetracked and gone on too long, Does anyone out there HAVE any geneaology to discuss, no one seems to be trying very hard to find other topics of converstaion Jane >> > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

I usually keep my opinions to myself, but enough is enough. For many years I have done voluntary research for many people, especially those from America. I have spent hours of my precious time trying to bring a bit of joy to people by searching for their ancestors in England. I have recently spent hours finding the Irish ancestors, in England, of an American lady. I went to the place where they had lived and the church where they worshiped and took photographs for her and she was thrilled to bits. It is a shame a lot more people are going to miss out. I joined this list to see if people would help me to try to find my Irish ancestors. All I seem to be getting is anti English rantings from so called 'Irish Americans' who think they are more Irish than the Irish. I have English, Scottish and Irish ancestors, Catholics (my father was one) and Protestants (my mother was one). Peoples' religions do not matter to me, but what does matter is that terrorists kill innocent people for their own warped beliefs. Have you lived, for the last few years, wondering if you or your children were going to be blown up by an IRA bomb. Two young boys were blown up in Warrington whilst out buying mother's day presents. A bomb shattered the centre of Manchester. The city has only just been rebuilt. I do not wish to belong to a list which contains people with so much hatred. I am sorry to say I am now unsubscribing. Anne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004

In a message dated 2/27/2004 5:03:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, cushkaren@gwi.net writes: > FYI- I've noted, when transcribing the ANGLO-CELT, that the same person's > last name might be spelled differently right within one paragraph! I don't > think they were as worried about that as we are. > Karen Hart Anthony > Falmouth, Maine > probably thats the way it was i have kids with different names from parents Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate it. To be consistent, when putting the information into my genealogy program, I guess I will use the spelling my grandchildren's ggggrandparents seemed to have preferred. "E"laine

I think it's time to bring this conversation to a close, or take it off the list to your own personal email addresses. If it doesn't come to a close, I'll begin unsubbing those who are discussing this. Let's get back to genealogy NOW. Thanks. List Admin

Excuse me but I seem to remember that the history is that the Protestant MAJORITY of Ulster did not want to become part of Eire, nor do they now."Ulster will fight and Ulster will be right" was the slogan. Oh and the "English" soldiers (don't forget the ones from Scotland , Wales and , oh yes Ulster as well) in the Northern Counties ? they were ASKED to go there in the 1960's because the Catholics wanted them there because they were getting fed up with being beaten up and intimidated by their protestant neighbours. The British army presence has been much reduced with the lessening of terrorist activities and the fact that there are not enough troops to maintain a presence in Ireland and fight other people's oil grabbing exercises in Iraq. If they had been withdrawn earlier the bloodbath would have been far worse. Do you think most English (welsh and Scottish) people wouldn't be glad to see the whole troublesome lot floated out to sea to stop them bombing the mainland? Only thing is the MAJORITY population of the Province are Protestant , it's called democracy. To start the cause of the problems at 1922 is far too simplistic. England may have caused many problems in Ireland but please don't expect us to believe that the Irish themselves have no responsibilty for their own actions. Terrorism has been a way of life in Ireland for far too long now, it has come and gone time and time again and not all of it has been the direct fault of the English. regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Pearson" <kirish@webtv.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > I have made a hobby of studying irish history - and after reading all > the posts that began with the ? regarding "orangeman", I am surprised > that no one mentioned what I consider the cause of all the troubles of > Ireland from begin- ing to end (now)......England!! They should have > given the whole island their freedom in 1922 instead of keeping the 6 > northern counties Now today they keep the troubles brewing with their > presence. There is too much to say to discuss this further on our > genealogy site - but I think a separate website just for history would > be great. BTW, both my parents came from Ireland (1900 &1912) so I > learned a lot from them. > Kathleen Pearson > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

FYI- I've noted, when transcribing the ANGLO-CELT, that the same person's last name might be spelled differently right within one paragraph! I don't think they were as worried about that as we are. Karen Hart Anthony Falmouth, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reiley Dennis S" <shanedr@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname, pension > Good question, unfortunately it will likely take your own research to answer the question, if ever. > > I suspect that a lot of spelling changes are because some of our ancestors were illiterate. If you can't spell, what spelling does your child use when they learn how to spell? What spelling does your preacher, your census taker, etc. use? In Ireland every literate person knew how to spell Reilly, in the US, Canada, NZ and Australia it was probably an entirely different story. > > Best wishes, > Dennis Reiley, er Reilly-O'Reilly-Reilley-Riley-Rhley-Rahley (there's probably a couple more) > > "E.Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> wrote: > On some family records and documents our ancestors last name is O'Reilly. > On others it is Riley. Is their original surname O'Reilly shortened to > Riley? > > Also, if an ancestors served with Wellington and received a pension and > moved to Canada, would he still have received that pension in Canada (so > far, I have not ascertained he qualified/received a pension - still > researching). > > Thank you. > "E"laine > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > >

ah gang warfare by email how FRIGHTFULLY enlighteneing, well I was going to let the "proud to be american " pass without comment in the intersts of peace and harmony but as people want to keep on at it here goes. As we seem to be split into those who are proud to be American and those nasty people who either are not or those of us who merely live in the rest of the world. 1. I'm sure all those eager young men in the IRA and UDF (to get back to Ireland which IS what we're into eh) are terribly PROUD of being Catholic and Protestant, so PROUD in fact that they are quite happy to kill maim etc likewise all those young Arabs so PROUD to be muslim. So why is it such an insult to say someone is not proud to be ...? 2. No man is an Island. Unless your geneaological interest extends merely to listing all your surnames in the hope of there being someone else out there with the same name ,in which case you're probably better off on the Ireland Roll Calls List, you are presumably using this board because you have an interest in Co Cavan. How is it possible to have an interest in one of the six counties without wishing to deal with the all too real issues of sectarianism which not only affects people today but affected our ancestors as well. 3.Those not interested in this thread can always delete the messages without reading, or here's an idea, start a new , improved, fun sized thread of their own. 4. " All that is neccessary for evil to occur is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke 5. Congrats go to Karen for starting the most interesting conversation that's appeared on this board for ages! regards Jane Pearson jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shamrock1020@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Orangemen > Three Cheers for Donna................... > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >