"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, August 12, 1852 CAVAN BOROUGH COMMISSIONERS Monday, August 10. The commissioners held a meeting to-day for the purpose of declaring a contractor for the next six months. MATHEW TULLY, Esq., in the chair. Other members present - Messrs. S. SWANZY, B. COYNE, M.D., J. M'GAURAN, Patrick FAY, A. KETTYLE, Wm. MOORE, E. KENNEDY, James O'BRIEN, M. LOUGH, and Thos. W. MATTHEWS. The Clerk read the minutes of the last meeting, and produced two tenders, one from Miles REILLY, the former contractor; and another from Henry SMITH. Miles REILLY's tender was somewhat lower than SMITH's. Mr. MOORE - Either of the tenders are much too high, and besides I think there is a collusion in the matter, as I am sure one of them does not want the contract at all. Mr. O'BRIEN - I agree with Mr. Moore, the lowest of the contracts is too high; I think 8s. per week quite sufficient. Mr. M'GAURAN - But you must consider he has some additional work to do, and also to keep the street clear of beggars. Mr. LOUGH - Certainly, keeping the streets clear of beggars is a most useful and important matter. Mr. SMITH (the clerk) said the commissioners should consider that the tenders before them was for the winter six months, and that they could not expect to get a contractor to do the work as it should. Mr. M'GAURAN - That is a very great consideration, and it was a mismanaged job not to have the advertisement for 12 months. Mr. O'BRIEN - I do not think there is any additional work, sufficient to warrant us to give more than he had for the last contract; and I am sure if the man was consulted he would be glad to get it. Doctor COYNE - You cannot expect a man to do the work as cheaply the winter six months as in would the summer six months; so I move he get 10s. per week, and another matter I wish to make a remark upon, that is, we should give him a livery coat to distinguish him in the street, the Belturbet commissioners gives their town sergeant a suit of clothes in the year, and I am sure we could do the same. Mr. LOUGH agreed with Dr. COYNE. Mr. KENNEDY - What is the Cavan Coat of Arms? Dr. COYNE - A plain blue coat and red facing (laughter). Mr. O'BRIEN - I think a good frieze coat, with a red cape, would be the most durable. Mr. Lough - That would not be regimental, Mr. O'Brien (laughter). At this stage of the proceeding Samuel SWANZY, Esq., entered the room. The Chairman informed Mr. SWANZY that they were about passing a resolution to give their town sergeant a livery coat. Mr. SWANZY - I quite agree with the resolution - a more useful one could not be adopted - as it is quite impossible for a stranger coming into the town to know whom to call upon when they are annoyed with the beggars in the street, and by having a livery coat and hat he cannot shrink from doing his duty. Mr. MOORE - REILLY's contract will be out in six months, and if we get the coat he may walk away with it when his contract is up. Mr. SMITH (the clerk) - The coat will be the property of the Commissioners, and if REILLY do not be the next contractor the coat can be taken off him. Mr. MOORE - It would be better to declare the contractor before we enter on any other business. REILLY was called in, and asked by the chairman, if he was declared the contractor, would he be satisfied to take 10s. a week. REILLY said the winter six months were very severe upon him, however, he would accept 10s. a week. The chairman told REILLY that the Commissioners were about giving him a livery coat, and that he should not put it on any day until he had the streets swept; he was also informed that he should keep the streets cleaner than he was in the habit of doing. Dr. COYNE proposed, and Mr. KENNEDY seconded, that the coat would be got. Carried unanimously. There was a deputation appointed to wait on the magistrates, to request of them to have the girls of loose character removed off the streets. After the appointment of market, cleansing, and lighting committees, the meeting adjourned. THE SIX-MILE-BRIDGE TRAGEDY. The slaughter of the Irish people at Six-mile-Bridge, in the county of Clare, has been under investigation for several days past. In another place we publish a portion of the evidence given at the inquest, by which it will be seen that the men under the command of Captain EGAR of the 31st foot, were guilty of willful and deliberate murder. We presume, from the evidence, that Capt. EGAR was in command of the party who butchered our fellow-countrymen in open day upon their native soil, and if we are under any mistakewhatsoever,it is owing to the attempts of the military" authorities" to stifle the investigation and to frustrate the ends of justice. The 31st, we believe, lost its facings years ago, for cowardice, and it now rejoices in red tuffs, red collars, &c. It seems, by all accounts, that the Clare election was of the ordinary hue of closely contested elections in Ireland; upon the one side ranged the landlord influence, upon the other side the Priests. All parties were, of course, much excited; but it is quite apparent that no sufficient provocation was given the cowardly wretches of the 31st to discharge their guns upon a defenceless crowd. Indeed, it has been proved by Mr. WILSON of Belvoir, a Protestant gentleman, that the populace surrendered their sticks to him before the military entered the village. This alone would show that no attack was premeditated by the people. We trust the government will act impartially in the matter, and punish the guilty parties whether dressed in red, black, or grey.

Hi, Loree... Probably nothing, but did have a GOODWIN marriage... "The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, August 5, 1852 BIRTHS. July 31, at Kilkenny, Mrs. Michael FENTON, Manifold, of a daughter. July 31, at Beverstown, Rathmines, te lady of Thomas VANCE, Esq., of a daughter. July 31, at Upper Leeson-street, the lady of Walter Henry ROONEY, Eq., of a son. MARRIAGES. July 13th, at St. James's Church, Paddington, by the Hon. and Rev. Henry NAPIER, uncle to the bride, Joseph STORY, Esq., of Bingfield, county of Cavan, to Caroline Sophia Kenneth, second daughter of the late Neville Reid, Esq., Runnymede Berkshire. July 31, at St. Peter's Church, by the Rev. Loftus T. SHIRE, John GOODWIN, Esq., of Merrion-row, in the city, to Susan eldest daughter of John HOLMES, ESQ., Castlewood House, Rathmines. On the 5th instant, at Balljamesduff Meeting-House by the Rev. John RITCHIE, the Rev. Mr. HOGG, of Drumkilroosk, to Miss Elizabeth MORROW, daughter of Robert MORROW, Esq., of Rockville. DEATHS. July 29, at Rathmines, Emily Adelaide, daughter of Wm. WEBB, Esq., and grand daughter of the late William WEBB, Esq., J. P., Castlecorr, county of Meath, and Clondoyce, county of Cavan, and also of the late John WEBB, Esq., Hilltown House, county of Westmeath, and Ballythrust, county of Cavan.

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, July 29, 1852 COUNTY CLARE. The Military Called Out - Loss of Life. Reporter Office, Thursday, July 22d, 4 o'Clock, p.m. - We deplore to state that blood - innocent blood - the blood of men in the prime of manhood - of men who, as far as we have heard, gave no cause for the guilty deed - was this day shed at Six-mile-bridge, one of the polling places in Clare for the election now being carried on for that county, and within about seven miles of this city. It appears that so early as 11 o'clock, a.m., to-day, a company of the 31st Regiment of Foot, under the command of Captain ______, and accompanied by Mr. Christopher DELMEGE, jun., J.P., was proceeding through the village above mentioned escorting voters on the property of the Marquis of Conyngham. As they were passing through the village, the Court-house was occupied by a great number of persons, including several magistrates of the county, several clergymen, and several freeholders. The people in the village hissed and hooted Lord Conyngham's voters, and some state that stones were thrown, but we have not heard the fact on sufficient authority to render it positive. Others allege that it was not until a second attempt was made to rescue the voters, and the gun of one of the soldiers smashed with a stone, that the officers gave orders to fire. It would appear that a murderous fire was at once opened on the people, and that the volley was discharged in two directio! ns - one towards the chapel - the other down the street of the village, where a large police force, consisting of 40 men, were stationed at the time. The noise of the firing withdrew the occupants of the courthouse from the building. They rushed into the street, and to their inexpressible horror they found five of their fellow-countrymen shot dead, and several others wounded. We have heard that the number of dead exceeds eight, and the number of wounded had not been ascertained when our informant left. Those who were recognised are: Thomas RYAN, Castleerine, not married, dead. James FRAWLEY, New-park, not married, dead. Michael COLEMAN, Tradee, not married dead. Michael COLEMAN, Tradee, not married dead. (repeated) Jeremiah FRAWLEY, Newmarket, not married, dead. John REILLY, Bunatty, married, and large family. The majority of these were voters, and nearly all were men in comfortable circumstances, and farmers. The rumour, as we have stated, in Sixmile-ridge, was, that the order to fire had been given by the officer. It is impossible to describe the excitement which prevailed. The people were unarmed; in fact, it is believed that in the entire barony there are not two stand of arms! Mr. James FROST, of Bunker's Hill, presided in the Courthouse and he was peremptorily called upon to stop the polling while so many of the people lay dead in the street.

Re the following ANGLO-CELT: I'm wondering if anyone has any information about the James KELLY mentioned in the ANGLO-CELT below. Dates of birth? death? parents? town? occupation? anything? How would you suggest I go about researching to find out about him? Thanks, Karen Hart Anthony (My grandfather's grandmother was Rebecca Kelly from County Cavan, born about 1800, married Samuel Hart on March 14, 1840 (don't know where), then emigrated to Canada) This is what I know: James Kelly married Jane unknown (don't know when) and they had four daughters: 1-Anna Bella or Isabella b. abt 1800 She married John Caughey on 17 Jan 1828 son of Nicholas Caughey. He was born about 1800 in Ballyshiel County Armagh, Ireland. He died 25 Nov 1871. 2-Jane Kelly b. 1800 married David Jeffrey and she was married on 1831 3-Mary Kelly married James McHenry on 23 Apr 1830 4-Rebecca Kelly married Samuel Hart on 15 Mar 1840. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Stanton" <kay-stanton@cfl.rr.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Anglo Celt - Cavan Quarter Sessions - June 24, 1852 > "The Anglo Celt" > > Cavan; Thursday, June 24, 1852> > > CAVAN QUARTER SESSIONS - June 21st, 1852. > > The summer sessions of this down commenced on this day before H. HAMILTON, Esq., Q.C., in the absence of our excellent barrister, P. M. MURPHY, Esq., Q.C., who, we believe, is engaged in London on the Mullingar and Cavan Railway question. > > Magistrates present - John E. VERNON, Michael PHILLIPS, Robert ERSKINE, _________ FRENCH, R. M., G. M. KNIPE, Robert BURROWES, Theolphilus THOMPSON, Jon WILCOCKS, R.M., R.M., ______ HOMES, R.M.., and a. BRUSH, Esqrs. > > The following area the names of the grand jury:- Thomas HARTLEY, foreman, Francis M'CABE, P. FAY, A. KETTYLE, Wm. M. BLACK, P. BRADY, Jas. KELLY, John M'MANUS, Wm. FARIS, James MORROW, H. PORTER, James REILLY, John LOVE, Noble PAGET, Samuel KENNEDY, and John BEATTY, Esqrs. > > After the grand jury had been sworn by Mr. CAFFREY, deputy clerk of the peace, his worship addressed them to the following effect - Mr. foreman and gentlemen of the grand jury in the absence of Mr. MURPHY, your learned assistant-barrister, I am requested to attend in his place, and on my arrival I see that the calendar is very light, there being but one case of importance to come before you. In discharge of your duties you will carefully examine the witnesses who will appear before you. I should also remark that if the evidence is not sufficient to satisfy you that the accused is not guilty you will ignore the bills. I believe I have no other remarks to make, so you will be good enough to retire to your room. > > etc......

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, June 24, 1852 CAVAN QUARTER SESSIONS - June 21st, 1852. The summer sessions of this down commenced on this day before H. HAMILTON, Esq., Q.C., in the absence of our excellent barrister, P. M. MURPHY, Esq., Q.C., who, we believe, is engaged in London on the Mullingar and Cavan Railway question. Magistrates present - John E. VERNON, Michael PHILLIPS, Robert ERSKINE, _________ FRENCH, R. M., G. M. KNIPE, Robert BURROWES, Theolphilus THOMPSON, Jon WILCOCKS, R.M., R.M., ______ HOMES, R.M.., and a. BRUSH, Esqrs. The following area the names of the grand jury:- Thomas HARTLEY, foreman, Francis M'CABE, P. FAY, A. KETTYLE, Wm. M. BLACK, P. BRADY, Jas. KELLY, John M'MANUS, Wm. FARIS, James MORROW, H. PORTER, James REILLY, John LOVE, Noble PAGET, Samuel KENNEDY, and John BEATTY, Esqrs. After the grand jury had been sworn by Mr. CAFFREY, deputy clerk of the peace, his worship addressed them to the following effect - Mr. foreman and gentlemen of the grand jury in the absence of Mr. MURPHY, your learned assistant-barrister, I am requested to attend in his place, and on my arrival I see that the calendar is very light, there being but one case of importance to come before you. In discharge of your duties you will carefully examine the witnesses who will appear before you. I should also remark that if the evidence is not sufficient to satisfy you that the accused is not guilty you will ignore the bills. I believe I have no other remarks to make, so you will be good enough to retire to your room. The bench then commenced to dispose of the spirit applications. There were four applications out of Arva, of which only two were granted, namely, those of Mr. John COSTELLO and Mr. James HANLEY, both of whom had excellent recommendations. There were two applications from Belturbet, Mr. John FITZPATRICK and Mr. Phillip M'EVOY. M'Evoy's was only a transfer. G. M. KNIPE, Esq. opposed Fitzpatrick on the grounds that there was a public house next door on each side of his house. Not granted. Francis CAHILL of Carricksboy made application for license. Mr. John AMRSTRONG appeared for Cahill. Mr. Vernon - Where does he live? Mr. Armstrong - Near Denn, your worship. Mr. Vernon - Oh, there is a high hill near the place. Mr. Armstrong - There is your worship, and after a man climbs up a very high hill he would require a little of the "mountain dew" (laughter). Cahill's license was then granted. John LEE of Lallaglohan granted. Patrick LAHEY of Aughskill granted. John MONAGHAN of Redhills granted. Hugh REILLY of Ballyjamesduff applied for license. Mr. WILCOCKS - Did you not assault a soldier in the town of Ballyjamesduff without any reason whatsoever? Reilly - I was accused of so doing, but I was innocent of it. Mr. Wilcocks - I oppose you altogether, as I am quite sure you did, and it would not be well to give license to a man that would break the peace instead of keeping it. License not granted. Margaret MURPHY of Creeny disallowed on account of not having her notices properly served. Cornelius REILLY of Stradone applied for license. Mr. John Armstrong said he opposed Reilly. Mr. Burrowes - Mr. Amstrong, allow me to make one or two remarks before you go further. This man (Reilly) applied to me to sign a paper which I refused to do on the grounds that there are not less than six houses licensed at present, and I hope the court will not grant any more, as three would be sufficient in such a small town, and I hope as the licenses drop the bench will not increase them. License not granted. Mr. Caffrey, deputy clerk of the peace, said as it was now 12 o'clock, and that being the time named for the court to decide whether Belturbet should be a voting place or not, he had to inform the court that the notice did not come at the time specified by the act of parliament - that it should be lodged with the clerk of the peace a month before the sessions commenced, and he (Mr. Caffrey) did not receive the notice until a day after the time, although Mr. Knipe had dated it in proper time to come to hand. Some conversation here ensued between the magistrates on the bench about the matter, after which Mr. Vernon said he would be for having Cootehill a polling place and not Belturbet. Mr. James Armstrong said he was retained for Captain MAXWELL, and was instructed to oppose the granting of Belturbet being a polling place as it would incur a very heavy expense. After some conversation between the magistrates the notice was withdrawn, in consequence of it not being served on the clerk of the peace in proper time. Criminal Business. John Dolan was put forward charged with having, on the night of the 16th of May, stolen a cow from Mr. Henry FARIS of Killeshandra. Mr. Faris sworn and examined by R. Armstrong, Esq. - Remembers the night his cow was stolen; after he missed her searched every place he could think of; the next day he got word from the Ardlogher police that she was taken from a man going to the fair of Swanlinbar. His worship asked Mr. Faris what sort of character the prisoner bore in the neighbourhood. Mr. Faris - He lived with me for four years, and during that time he bore a good character; never knew anything to be left to his charge before. Sub-Constable Denis M'GRATH sworn - Recollects the 17th of May last; met the prisoner about a mile from the town at the hour of one o'clock at night with a cow; asked the prisoner where he was going; he said Mr. Faris sent him on before him to the fair of Swanlinbar with the cow; he (sub-constable) then took the prisoner into custody, thinking his story was not true; knows nothing of the character of the prisoner. The case here closed. His worship said as it was the first offence he would only sentence him to 12 months' imprisonment and to be kept at hard labour. Mary CONNOLY sen., Mary CONNOLY jun., and Samuel TURBET were charged with having, on the night of the 9th of June, stolen a tub of butter out of the barn of Robert RICHMOND. John Richmond sworn and examined by Mr. B. Armstrong - Recollects the 9th of June; there was a tub of butter stolen from his cousin on that night; is a relative to the man that lost the butter; the butter was taken out of the barn adjoining the dwelling-house at night; the door was broken in; missed it the next morning; went up to Noghal to see after the property; does not think Turbet is related to the Connellys; found the butter in the garden adjoining Connelly's house buried under the ground, when I asked them did they know anything about it they denied it altogether; when I found the tub there was a blue apron and a white cloth on the top of it to prevent the clay going into it; there was also about 13 lbs. of the butter taken out of the tub; the police were not with me when I found the butter; I believe they were about the door at the time I was on the road when the prisoners were arrested. Mr. Thompson - What induced you to go to that place to look for the butter? Witness - I heard that the Connellys stole it. Cross-examined by Mr. Knipe - On your oath is not Turbet herding for Mr. WILKINS on that farm? Witness - He is. Jane RICHMOND sworn - I am a married woman; my husband's name is Robert Richmond; remembers the robbery; there were two caps and some white clothes stolen also. Sarah M'CANN examained - I know the blue apron belongs to Mary Connolly; saw it on her at work in the field. Prionser - What mark have you on it, Sally? Witness - I know it by the cotton string, and there was a stripe torn off it. Court - Do you swear positively that that is the apron she had upon her? Witness - Yes, your worship, I do. Jane REYNOLDS examined - Knows the three prisoners; saw the apron on Wednesday, and the butter was stolen the next day. Michael REILLY sworn - Recollects the night of the robbery;' got up in the morning about three o'clock to go to the bog to get some sods to boil my breakfast; as I was passing Connolly's house I saw Turbet in the garden digging with a spade - as I thought, making a hole; passed no remark at the time; went afterwards with the police to the spot; it was at the same place I saw Turbet in the morning; the door was not open at the time. Cross-examined by Mr. Knipe - What were you going to do to the bog at that hour of the morning, Mick? Witness - I was going for some sods to boil my breakfast; I had liberty from Jeffrey MORTON to take them; I met no person on my way but the prisoner; did not bid him the time of day, nor pass any remarks as I knew he was herding on the farm; told the police that that was the spot I saw him at in the morning; does not recollect having any conversation with a man of the name of Lee about the transactions. Mr. Knipe - Do you remember saying anything to Bernard M'DONALD of Belturbet about the matter? Does not recollect saying the right man was not taken; yet had a quarrel with Turbet's father some time ago. The case here closed, and after his worship charged the jury at great length they returned a verdict of guilty. Court _ Mary Connolly, sen., Mary Connolly, jun., Samuel Turbet, you have been found guilty of a very serious crime, and as Mary Connolly, sen is an old offender the sentence of the court is that she be transported seven years, Mary Connolly, jun., and Samuel Turbet to 12 months' imprisonment each. Peter COURTNEY, Bartholomew NOON, George COURTNEY, and Peter COLLINS, were put forward charged with having, on the night of the 4th of May, broken into the store rooms of the Cavan Union and taken therefrom a quantity of bread, oatmeal, and a brass cock. Edward FINLAY sworn and examined by Mr. Armstrong - Is Porter in the county workhouse; recollects 4th of May last; was walking up the dining-hall that morning; took notice of the door of store-room broken; went out to the men's yard and found some crumbs of bread near one of the pipes. Court - Did you see the door the night before. Finlay - Yes, your worship, I did. Court - Was the door fastened. Finlay - It was your worship. Michael DUFFY, a pauper out of the house - Remembers the 3rd of May last; was in the house and slept in the ward where the prisoner slept that night; saw three of them going out in the night; got up and saw them go out on the window; the window is three storeys (sic) from the ground; saw the three go down by the spout; after they were a while out I heard a noise, after some time two of them came up, and had bread with them; Collins came up after; he told me he was halfway up the spout when he dropped a half loaf, and had to return again for it; one of them gave me a half loaf; there was another boy got a half loaf also; heard a conversation between some of them the day before, that they would go and take some bread and a brass cock out of the store room; did not see any meal or the brass cock when they came up. Court - What did they want with the brass cock? Witness - I do not know, your worship, unless it was to make money of it. Court - Was there any of the bread found in your bed? Witness - There was, your worship, and in many of the other boys beds. Thomas WOOD, another pauper boy out of the house - Remembers the 3rd of May last; slept in the ward with the prisoners that night; remembers the robbery; saw the three prisoners go out on the window; saw them go in on the dining-hall window; saw a ladder put up to the window of the infirmary shed; saw Courtney up on the shed, some of them below handed him a bag of meal. Court - Did you see anything go in on the Infirmary window? Witness - Yes, I did, a sack of meal, and it was got the next day in Courtney's bed. One of the prisoners asked the witness did h see him at the shed, or what hour? Witness - I did, but I could not way what hour, but I know the larks were singing, it was morning. Mr. R. MULLIGAN sworn - Is master of the workhouse; recollects the night the robbery took place; knows the infirm ward; Collins was in the infirmary at that time; found the next day 35 lbs. of oatmeal under his bed, concealed under the tick, and also a brass cock in the boiler that was in the provision store. Prisoner - Put him to his oath, your worship, if it was him that found it. Mr. Mulligan - I was with Mr. BETTER when it was found. Mr. Peter LEE sworn - Is store-keeper in the workhouse, recollects the night the robbery was committed; there was a quantity of bread, a brass cock, and some meal in a sack that was in the store room. Prisoner - What mark had you on the sack? Witness - It was Indian meal that was in it belonging to one of the relieving officers, and I had it marked with a piece of a brass in it fastened to it; the Indian meal was taken out by the prisoners, and scattered about the ground, and oat meal put into the sack, which they took away; this is the sack I am quite sure, but I could not swear to the meal. The prisoners said they bought the bread in the house from some other paupers that evening. His Worship inquired of Mr. Finlay if it was possible that they could have done so? Mr. Finlay said it was quite impossible for any pauper to have more than ten ounces of bread in one piece and the bread found was in half loaves, and it is also brown bread they get, and the bread found was white. The case here closed, and after his Worship charged the jury, they brought in a verdict of Guilty against Noon, George Courtney, and Peter Collins. Verdict - Bartholomew Noon, and George Courtney, to be transported for seven years. Peter Collins to be imprisoned for three months and twice whipped. We will give the remainder of the crown and civil witness in our next. LIST OF COLLEGE HONORS. Mr. R. CARMICHAEL BELTON - Second Place at an October (public) Entrance. (Mr. J. BIRCH, (Ballybeen House, Co. Down) - Fifth Place, at a public Entrance. (Mr. George Scott LEAKE - Ninth Place at a public Entrance. (Mr. R. SMITH - Tenth Place at a public Entrance. (Mr. R. C. BELTON - Four First Classical Honors. (Mr. G. S. LEAKE - A Catechetical Premium. (Mr. R. SMITH - A Classical Honor. (Mr. James BIRCH - A Classical Honor. (Mr. G. S. LEAKE - A Classical Honor. (Mr. Georges Walsh - Recommended for Honors in Classics. (Mr. BELTON an University Scholarship. ***Mr. Birch's marks at a late Scholarship Examination only amounted to one mark more than those of the last successful candidate. THE FLAX CROP. - We have seen this week some flax which measured 38 inches in length. It belonged to Mr. CARROLL of Matrass, near Cootehill, who has an acre of flax in equally as good a condition as the specimen we saw. The seed was bought from Mr. WOODS of Cootehill, who deals extensively in the flax trade.

I have received additional questions regarding the Election. Please understand that I sent that message to the wrong list. I apologize. There was no election on the Cavan list. I was running for an office with the newly formed Association of Professional Genealogists in Florida. I sent my note on the election inadvertently to the wrong list. Please forgive me for taking up time on the list with that. Thanks. Denise Denise A. Wells Vice President, Florida Chapter Association of Professional Genealogists Florida State Genealogical Society International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists List-Owner, IRL-Cavan-L cc for Arapahoe County and Denver County Colorado GenWeb usgenweb cc for Cos. Cavan (and soon Co. Clare) & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator www.irelandgenweb.com/ Fife, Scotland

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, June 17, 1852 THE COOTEHILL MEETING (From our own Correspondent and the Freeman.) This meeting was held to-day in the Fair Green of this town, where a platform was erected for the accommodation of the speakers. It was convened, as the placards stated, for the purpose of taking into consideration the present state of the county, and if found to be unsatisfactory, to adopt the necessary measures to securing the return of two independent Tenant Right members at the ensuing general election to represent the county of Cavan in the next session of parliament. The assemblage was very numerous, amounting to some thousands of persons, amongst whom I observed the following, viz.: - The Rev. David BEIL, P.M., Ballybay; Rev. Thomas BRADY, C.C., Drung; Anthony O'REILLY, Esq., J.P., E.L., Baltrasna; county of Meath, (one of the candidates for the representation of Cavan); Dr. GRAY, editor and proprietor of the Freeman's Journal, Dublin; Z. WALLACE, Esq., editor and proprietor of the Anglo-Celt, Cavan; Philip SMITH, Esq., P.L.G., Arda; Rev. Terence BRADY, C.C., ! Cootehill; Rev. J. M'CAFFREY, O.S.F., Skerry; Wm. STUART, Esq., Surgeon, Cootehill; Charles M'DERMOTT, Esq., Attorney, Cootehill; William DERMOTT, Esq., Solicitor, Cootehill; Edwared COONEY, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Patrick M. FAY, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Edward MURPY, Esq., Veternary (sic) Surgeon, Cootehill; John CAMPBELL, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Rev. Neason BROWN, P.M., Cootehill; Wm. A. LITTLE, Esq., (son to the Rev. W. Little, P.M., Cootehill); Frederick BOYD, Esq., New York; John M'GAHAN, Esq., P.L.G., Cootehill; Alexander M'CABE, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Henry MAXWELL, Esq., Cootehill; John BERRY, Esq., Fairmount; Patrick DOLAN, Esq., linen merchant, Cootehill; Hugh DOLAN, Esq., linen merchant Cootehill; Thomas BRADY, Esq., P.L.G., Ltsbeduff; Clements REID, Esq., Clerk of Kilcrow Church and Petty Sessions Clerk, Rockcorry; W. D. FINLAY, Esq., P.L.L., Drumore, county Monaghan; Peter GARTLAN, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Mr. Robert GRAHA, Clerk, Cootehill Union! Workhouse; Mr. Denis LENNON, merchant, Cootehill; Mr. George TREANOR, Bridewell-keeper, Cootehill; Mr. James CREETH, merchant, Cootehill; Mr. John GEDDIS, linen draper, Ashfield; Mr. A. M'FADDIN, Petty Sessions Clerk, Cootehill; M. CONNOLLY, James PRIOR, Esq., merchant, Cootehilll; Francis BRADY, Esq., P.L.G., Cootehill; Mr. William ALCOCK, Cootehill; Mr. Bernard MaRKEY, merchant, Cootehi;;; M. Rrary, Esq., P.L.G., Teevenanas; C. FOY, Esq., reporter,Northern Standard; Master John HORAN (son to Patrick Horan, Esq., Cootehill, late agent, on the Bellamont Forest Estate); Mr. Peter M'NALLY, Mr. Robert M'PARTLAND, rope and twine manufacturer, Cooteill; Samuel FISHEL, Esq., pawnbroker, Cootehill; Mr. James M'CUDDIN, Mr. Joseph Adams, John SHERA, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Mr. Edward TREANOR, Mr. John SMITH, Mr. Philip BYRNE, Mr. James BAILIE, Mr. Joseph FLEMING, Mr. Thomas LEARY, merchant, Cootehill; Mr. Patrick M'CABE, Dernakesh; Mr. Thomas M'CABE, Bellamont Arms, Cootehill; Jo! hn FOY, Esq., merchant, Cootehill; Richard BROWN, Esq., Cootehill; Charles WHITELEY, Esq., River View Mills, Cootehill; Mr. M. BANNON, Cootehill; Mr. James DOWNEY, Cootehill; Mr. James P. DONNELLY, Cootehill; Joseph WHITELEY, Esq., Killecreeney, &c., &c., &c. Previous to the public meeting, the committee assembled when the resolutions to be proposed were submitted for consideration. An animated discussion took place on various points, when a general opinion was expressed, that any Tenant Right Bill not containing the provisions of Mr. CRAWFORD's would fail to secure tenants their just rights. About two o'clock, the public meeting was commenced, when the chair was taken by PHILIP SMITH, of Artona, Esq., amid enthusiastic cheering. The chairman, in a short address, referred to the importance of Tenant-right and to the necessity of the Cavan electors returning efficient members to parliament. He explained the object for which the meeting was held - namely, to stir up the electors and give them an opportunity of selecting men who would faithfully represent them (loud cheers).

Congratulations, Denise Roberta In beautiful sunny Queensland ] Re: Election results yet? running for an office with the newly formed Florida Chapter of the Association of > Professional Genealogists. Tada!!!!!! I won! > > > Denise A. Wells > Vice President, Florida Chapter > Association of Professional Genealogists > Member of: International Society of Family History Writers & Editors; > International Black Sheep Society of Genealogist; > National Genealogical Society; Florida State Genealogical Society > List-Owner, IRL-Cavan-L and numerous Surname lists > cc for Arapahoe County and Denver County Colorado GenWeb > usgenweb > cc for Cos. Cavan & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator > and soon for County Clare > www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.601 / Virus Database: 382 - Release Date: 29/02/2004

Have a look at this website: http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page4.html Listed here are the names of many of the Irish Orphan girls sent to Australia - but it is not complete. A quick look showed three Connolly's. I have never seen a list of those who didn't make it - but I know many are listed as DV (died on voyage) in ship's passengers lists. There is a great book "Barefoot and Pregnant" which gives details and traces most of the Potato Famine Oprhan girls. I can get you the publishing details if you're interested in following it up. Rgds Charlotte On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 10:31 PM, Bunnie1903@aol.com wrote: > Am researching Brady/Connolly families from County Cavan. > However, > the Connolly family (and possibly the Brady's) were from > Lavey/Stradone. I > don't see many references/mentions of the Lavey/Stradone area in the > Anglo Celt > transcriptions. Am I mistaken in thinking Lavey/Stradone are in the > County > Cavan? > Also, ancestoers were likely to have left Eire for Australia or > US > around the time of the famine but were never heard from again. Is > there a list > of ships & their passengers that DIDN''T make it to their > destinations? Thank > you for any feedback. > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest > mode) >

I have updated the various Irish book lists on my website with more than 100 more books, many with lookup volunteers. They include Parish History, Local History, General Irish History, Genealogy, Mythology, Forklore and many other types of books. If you submitted a book last month, please check your entry for accuracy. If you are a Lookup Volunteer and your email address has changed, please let me know. I was amazed at the generosity of the many Irish list readers who not only took the time to submit a book but also volunteered to do lookups. Thanks to all of you. If you find a book you would like to buy, on the Ireland Books Discussion Mailing List webpage, there are many Irish bookstores linked. Also, a new link is to Emigrant-On-Line where you can find over 1000 Irish book reviews. You can access the webpages at the URL below my name. At my home page, at the top, under Ireland there is a drop down menu, click on Ireland Books. This will take you to the Ireland Books Discussion Mailing List webpage, near the bottom under, 'Previous Posts', you will find links to the Ireland Book List which include all but the Parish History Books. Their links are a bit under the Ireland Book List link. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Professional Genealogy Research All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002

Mr. Cassidy; Thanks for the informative posting on the above title. I've printed it out for filing and future reference. I'm a product of a mixed marriage, one man & one women. As a result all the other stuff was merely periferal. I come one day after the good NUN had informed me that Protestants acould be saved and proceeded to announce the glad tidings to my Presbyterian father. In response he informed me that he wasn't a Protestand, he was a Presbyterian. He wasnh't protesting anything. He was practicing a faith in which he believed. Since religion was never spoken of, this note of yours gives me more information than I've received previously on the subject. My computer will not accept your e-mail name. So please excuse me sending this message over the List Roland Golden, Green Harbor, MAssachusetts _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/

In a message dated 3/1/2004 8:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, CountyCavan@aol.com writes: > Hey, subscribers. I apologize for that post back on February 15th. I just > realized that was sent to the wrong list. My goof! LOL.... anyway, I was > running for an office with the newly formed Florida Chapter of the > Association of > Professional Genealogists. Tada!!!!!! I won! > lol Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

In a message dated 02/15/2004 9:13:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Election Hey, subscribers. I apologize for that post back on February 15th. I just realized that was sent to the wrong list. My goof! LOL.... anyway, I was running for an office with the newly formed Florida Chapter of the Association of Professional Genealogists. Tada!!!!!! I won! Denise A. Wells Vice President, Florida Chapter Association of Professional Genealogists Member of: International Society of Family History Writers & Editors; International Black Sheep Society of Genealogist; National Genealogical Society; Florida State Genealogical Society List-Owner, IRL-Cavan-L and numerous Surname lists cc for Arapahoe County and Denver County Colorado GenWeb usgenweb cc for Cos. Cavan & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator and soon for County Clare www.irelandgenweb.com/

>Thanks for this post - I was wondering about this. I had presumed that >C of E recorded as a religion would mean that the family were not >originally Irish, but possibly Scots or English. > >Would CofI and CofE also include Protestants and Methodists? > Protestants are all non-Roman Catholic Christian denominations. Methodists grew out of the Church of England; this is a history written by a friend for me a few years ago when I discovered my Pattisons were Methodists: Methodism starts w/ two brothers .. John and Charles Wesley, both ordained clergymen of the Church of England [Episcopal Church]. While at Oxford, they formed a study group called the "Holy Club" for prayer, Bible reading, etc. Because they had a strict "method" of reading, prayer, study the other students mocked them as "Bible Moths" or "Methodists" .. the later name stuck. John was sent to Georgia as a missionary by the C of E. On the way over, the ship nearly sank in a storm. John was terrified .. but a group of persecuted German Moravians were calmly singing and praying ... they had the Faith that John lacked. After a few miserable years in America, John returned to England .. still doubting his Faith. He later said he had gone to America to convert the sinners only to realize he was just a sinner himself ... and a sinner w/out hope. In late May 1738, he went to the Moravian Meetinghouse on Aldersgate Street, London, to attend a service. There he heard the message .. preached from Luther's "Preface on the Book of Romans" ... St. Paul writes that all men are saved by Christ's blood, faith in Christ and Christ alone. At that point, John was "saved" .. "My heart was strangely warmed. I knew that Christ had died for me." That's now celebrated as the "birthday" of Methodism ... called Aldersgate Sunday ... the simple message was/and still is that Christ died for the sins of the world and that the sinner need only to accept and believe by Faith and by Faith lead a New Life. After 1738, John and Charles preached this message across England and Ireland. John travelled a couple of hundred thousand miles by horseback preaching for more than 50 years until his death in the 1790's. His message appealed to the poor, not to the upper classes. Eventually, the authorities of the Church of England closed the churches to the Wesley brothers. They were forced to preach in fields, under trees, in market places .. they were attacked by mobs, but they kept on preaching. Gradually Methodist Societies were set up across England and Ireland [but NOT Scotland] in the 1740's-50's-60's-70's. The Methodists were to go to the Church of England [or in Ireland to the Church of Ireland] for communion and morning service and then to the Methodist chapels for preaching in the evening. This lasted until the 1780's when the two groups .. Church of England and Methodist .. gradually separated into distinct churches ... sometime in the 1790's in Britain. Irish Methodists showed up in New York City and Maryland in the 1760's and from these spots, but Maryland especially, the message spread across the American colonies. In the 1770's, John Wesley sent Francis Asbury to America to supervise the Methodist societies. After the Revolution, Asbury and his followers celebrated the first communion service [w/out a Church of England minister] in Delaware and a few months later Christmas Eve 1783 at Baltimore, Md., they organized a new church .. Methodist Episcopal at Baltimore, w/ Asbury chosen as Bishop. This was about 5 years before the Church of England was re-established in America as the Protestant Episcopal Church. By that time, the Episcopal and Methodist Episcopal were on two different roads. Today's United Methodist Church borrows much of the communion litergy from the Church of England ... Book of Common Prayer ... and there is a similar form, but the emphasis is very different. Episcopal is more formal and since the Oxford Movement of the 1840's has moved towards pre-Vatican II Catholic forms [I think the modern Catholic Church is often "less Catholic" than "High Church" Episcopalian churches]. Methodism is quieter now than it was in the 19th century .. the services are more organized .. the wild emotionalism of the early Methodist meetings .. sinners were saved w/ lots of enthusiasm .. is more found today in the black Methodist churches or in the various Pentacostal groups that spun off from Methodism in the early 1900's [Assembies of God,etc. have their roots in Wesleyan salvation preaching.] Unfortunately, we are a distant #2 today among U. S. Protestant Churches .. only about 1/2 of membership of the Southern Baptists, but up to WWII the Methodists were the largest Protestant church in the US. Methodism is a heavy "social action" church .. whether fighting slavery in Wesley time, booze in the 19th century, or what have you today ... sometimes the bishops fall off the left end of every social issue that comes down the pike ... Some of Hillary Clinton's views are central to "social action" Methodism .. she's very much a product of that wing of our church. Others are conservative [neo-Baptists !] Most of us try to stay in the middle and it can be hard. When I was last to a Catholic church .. in May .. the little paper hymnal/mass booklet had a number of Charles Wesley's hymns in it. You might be singing a few old-line Methodist hymns w/out knowing it! At least Vatican II has broken some of those divisions down. M. E. merged w/ other Methodists in 1939 and again in 1968 to form the United Methodist Church .. talks now going on w/ the black A. M. E. and A. M. E. Zion for unification ... I like the added zap we get when we worship w/ one of the local black U. M. churches in our area .. can't beat their music! David

Thank you for Patricia for explaining it Rgds Charlotte On Sunday, February 29, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Patricia wrote: > Charlotte, > > The 'Established Church' is sometimes referred to in records as 'EC'. > This > is the Church of Ireland in Irish records and the Church of England in > English records. They all refer to the same denomination that is > known in > the USA as the Episcopal Church or Anglican Church. > > In Ireland [in the 1700 and 1800's at least] the Church of Ireland > a/k/a > Established Church were referred to as Protestants. The other > denominations were known by their individual names: Methodist; Quaker; > Plymouth Brethren; Presbyterian; Seceder Presbyterian, etc. > > Nowadays, the term 'Protestant' is an umbrella term for all the above. > > The Established Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, not > Anglican/Episcopal. > > Patricia > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

Hi, My cousin lives in Stradone. There are plenty of Brady's in that area and people on this list have posted messages a plenty. Try and get into the archives for more luck. Sorry that I've been too lazy to struggle with my Brady lines yet :-) Mo Bunnie1903@aol.com wrote: Am researching Brady/Connolly families from County Cavan. However, the Connolly family (and possibly the Brady's) were from Lavey/Stradone. I don't see many references/mentions of the Lavey/Stradone area in the Anglo Celt transcriptions. Am I mistaken in thinking Lavey/Stradone are in the County Cavan? Also, ancestoers were likely to have left Eire for Australia or US around the time of the famine but were never heard from again. Is there a list of ships & their passengers that DIDN''T make it to their destinations? Thank you for any feedback. ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) Maureen Fitzpatrick Cleveland Film Society Phone: 914-712-0414 Fax: 914-712-0415 email: maureen_fitzpatrick@yahoo.com

Thanks for this post - I was wondering about this. I had presumed that C of E recorded as a religion would mean that the family were not originally Irish, but possibly Scots or English. Would CofI and CofE also include Protestants and Methodists? Rgds Charlotte On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 03:23 AM, Michael Cassidy wrote: > At 8:55 PM -0500 2/25/04, Cush and Karen Anthony wrote: >> Re: ANGLO CELT "THE ESTABLISHED CHURCH >> >> " At an ordination by the Lord Bishop of Meath, in the Church of >> Ardbracan, for the Diocese of Meath, on Sunday, the 24th December, >> 1848, >> the following persons were admitted to the holy order of Priests:--" >> >> So ...is the "Established Church" the Church of Ireland? >> > Church of Ireland = Chuch of England = Episcopal Church in the US. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jazz is freedom. - T. Monk > http://www.panix.com/~cassidy > [Public key available.] > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest > mode) >

Your Ancestors may have made it to the USofA. If you belong to Ancestry.com they have a listing of ships that landed in this country. Another place to look is on a CD "The Search for MIssing Friends, Irish Immigrrant Advertisments Placed in the Boston Pilot-1831-1920". You may be able to get this CD on loan from a local Family History Center of LDS. This CD has a large background section giving data on how many people left Eire, a percentage breakdown by Irish County, ports of departure, and other background information. Then year by year it will give the notices of people seeking people and the contacts who will receive the information. Although The PILOT was a Boston Based News paper it published ads from all over the US and from Ireland. Hence a wife and children arriving in New York, and expecting to be met by a husband/father and doesn't find this person would publish an ad naming the person, when last heard from, where and with whom the person was staying at the time of the last ontact, and any stated plans that person had made known. A contact would also be named. The disc, which is broken down into 5 volumes, contains a great deal of data, and requires A LOT OF PATIENCE to go through it. I hope this has been of some help. Sincerely, Roland W. Golden, Green Harbor, Massachusetts. >From: Bunnie1903@aol.com >Reply-To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Re: IRL-CAVAN-D Digest V04 #89 >Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:31:12 EST > > Am researching Brady/Connolly families from County Cavan. >However, >the Connolly family (and possibly the Brady's) were from Lavey/Stradone. I >don't see many references/mentions of the Lavey/Stradone area in the Anglo >Celt >transcriptions. Am I mistaken in thinking Lavey/Stradone are in the County >Cavan? > Also, ancestoers were likely to have left Eire for Australia or US >around the time of the famine but were never heard from again. Is there a >list >of ships & their passengers that DIDN''T make it to their destinations? >Thank >you for any feedback. > > > >==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list click on >mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or >mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Am researching Brady/Connolly families from County Cavan. However, the Connolly family (and possibly the Brady's) were from Lavey/Stradone. I don't see many references/mentions of the Lavey/Stradone area in the Anglo Celt transcriptions. Am I mistaken in thinking Lavey/Stradone are in the County Cavan? Also, ancestoers were likely to have left Eire for Australia or US around the time of the famine but were never heard from again. Is there a list of ships & their passengers that DIDN''T make it to their destinations? Thank you for any feedback.

> CountyCavan@aol.com wrote: > Okay.... Now hear me! If you can't be nice, take your toys home and leave > the list alone! Hi List Admin Thank you for this direction. ********** My Cavan People are/were SEAMANs. I have two pages from a family bible. Thought you might be interested. First Page Seaman Family Bible In 1690 seven SEAMAN brothers came from England to Ireland with Wm Prince of Orange as his bodyguards. Two remained in Ireland. The others returning to England. John SEAMAN was a police officer in Ireland. When he was 22 years of age he went to Derry to put in an apprenticship as a clerk, He was allowed to join the Apprentice Boys Club as he had relations in the seige of Derry. The Apprentice Boys held the gates the time of the seige and the club was formed to commemorate that event and you could not join unless you had relations in the siege. William SEAMAN born 1827 still living John SEAMAN " 1796 William SEAMAN " 1760 Sam C SEAMAN " ******************* next page of SEAMAN Family Bible Copied from William SEAMAN's Bible William SEAMAN is my name. Ireland is my nation. Cavan is my dwelling place Christ is my salvation. Catihan SEAMAN is not dead. She is just getting thinner. (in a different hand) James HICKS, his hand, pen, he will do good. Billy HICKS son unto William HICKS departed this life February the 23rd 1777 (1790. 1777) (18 (name blotted) daughter of Samuel (Samell) SEAMAN departed this life February 3 in the year of our lord 1784. Margaret SEAMAN departed this life June 5 at 2 of the clock 1785 (in a different hand) in the afternoon 1785 Sam C SEAMAN Departed this Life August the 30th 1784 HICKS Family Christian HICKS, Wife to William HICKS Departed this life Sept 12th 1769 at eleven o'clock at night James this is with my kind love to and is of ---- Richard HICKS William James HICKS his hand and pen Charles MacMullon his hand too. Last page of Bible William SEAMAN copy Char MacMULLON his hand. ****************** I don't know how the HICKS family relates to my SEAMANs though some connection is evident or why Charles MacMULLON wrote in the bible either. Possibly because they were litterate and my SEAMANs were not. Any Ideas. Any Suggestions Thanks, Malcolm CAMPBELL