FYI - The term "Celtic," from the Greek Keltoi was used by the Greeks to refer to the peoples who lived beyond the Alps. This term, more or less, meant stranger. There were many tribes who were referred to as the Keltoi, each of which had their own unique culture and identity. These tribes were mainly found in the areas we modernly refer to as Northern Italy, France, and Germany. Of note, the cultures of the British Isles and Ireland - which in contemporary thought form the heart of the Celtic culture - were still unknown to the Greeks and therefore not held under the term Keltoi. It is only later that archaeologists and linguists begin defining things such as the Hallstatt and La Tene' periods and deciphering the Indo-European languages that we see an expansion of the use of the term "Celtic" extending into non-Keltoi cultures. Coupled with the European unification propaganda of the 1800's, the term "Celtic" became a rallying point for all of the European countries as a point of ! mutual identification. Many times, the term "Celtic" is used by scholars as a way to generalize and hide their lack of knowledge regarding the origin or subject of their work. By taking the time to specifically state the culture we are able to alleviate vagueness in our writing and expand our understanding of the topic. However, the term "Celtic" has become quite popular and is perhaps one of the more widely recognized terms we can use when referring to this widespread group of cultures on a collective basis. ----- Original Message ----- From: CARADOC28@aol.com To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day In a message dated 3/17/2004 8:20:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, ancabhan@taconic.net writes: > Did he not bring > Christianity to Ireland-beginning with using the Shamrock as the vehicle to > explain the trinity? I have read that prior to Patrick and the change to > Christianity, that the Irish were Pagans, worshipping Lugh, the Sun God. Can > anyone give some sort of synopsis for those of us who are in need no they were christian just not roman catholic.i am a keltoi catholic and as such identify with the people who started worshiping at tara and we making kings on the stone of scone. and the reason i wera black is all i want is tobe at the last coming andhear both sides explainto christwhy they needed to kill their christian brothers in his name . and that included st patrick another englishman [roman] telling irishmen how to think. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode)

In a message dated 3/17/2004 2:25:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, donalk@iol.ie writes: > I think you neglected to mention Snow White, who as a precursor to St. > Bridgid. Snow White, her given name has been lost through the ages, was so > called because of her sanctity and purity. The name identified her with her > mission to rid the Isle of its association with the black arts, signified by > the ugly wicked queen, who is always portrayed wearing black. > Because the Celtic Church was presided over by both Druids and Druidesses > Snow White was easily accepted. > Just as was to reoccur in Penal times Catholicism was a proscribed faith and > proponents had to travel in various disguises. > It is no surprise to those who have studied the history of the faith in > Ireland that the 7 dwarfs (vertically challenged gentlemen) didn't spent all > their time mining. They moonlighted as priests. The wicked witch who was > jealous of Snow White and her success in her quest to christianise Ireland > was determined to frustrate her crusade. Just as Christ was tempted in the > desert, so too was Snow White. The poisoned apple is very symbolic, remember > the garden of Eden. Snow White wrestled with the temptation, but did not > succumb. The apples effects were transitory and did not immobilise her > permanently. > > Now here is the Glastonbury link. > > The prince who woke Snow White from her sleep was none other than Caradoc > son of Bran a Selerian King from Britain, who supported Snow White in her > endeavours and gave her the renewed vigour she needed to continue her > mission. His kiss is significant being as it is the antithesis of the Judas > kiss in the garden of Gethsemane. > > no some guy in green the "green lantern " said snakles be gone to no snakes and they left and christian people became pagans and killable much like american indians were killable because they were savages. Mr.McManus's book relates the story of the milesians and moses in his 3rd chapter page 8 thus his scholorship is as good here as later itis church history verses fables which you buy. Maybe the document the 29th chaper of acts would be better for you to understand a real i stress real archeology document found and published by a frenchman who didnt want england to get anything good 1- And Paul, full of the blessings of Christ, and abounding in the spirit, departed out of Rome, determining to go into Spain, for he had a long time proposed to journey thitherward, and was minded also to go from thence to Britain. 2- For he had heard in Phoenicia that certain of the children of Israel, about the time of the Assyrian captivity, had escaped by sea to "The Isles afar off" as spoken be the Prophet [Esdra], and called by the Romans - Britain. 3- And the Lord commanded the gospel to be preached far hence to the Gentiles [nations], and to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. [Act 9:15, 22:21] 4- And no man hindered Paul; for he testified boldly of Jesus before the tribunes and among the people; and he took with him cetain of the brethren which abode with him at Rome, and they took shipping at Ostrium and having the winds fair, were brought safely into a haven of Spain. 5- And much people were gathered together from the towns and villages, and the hill country; for they had heard of the conversion to the Apostle, and the many miracles which he had wrought. 6- And Paul preached mightily in Spain, and great multitudes believed and were converted, for they perceived he was an apostle sent from God. 7- And they departed out of Spain, and Paul and his company finding a ship in Armorica sailing unto Britain, they were therein, and passing along the south Coast, they reached a port called Raphinus. * 8- Now when it was voiced abroad that the Apostle had landed on their coast, great multitudes of the inhabitants met him, and they treated Paul courteously and he entered in at the east gate of their city, and lodged in the house of an Hebrew and one of his own nation. 9- And on the morrow he came and stood upon Mount Lud^ and the people thronged at the gate, and assembled in the Broadway, and he preached Christ unto them, and they believed the Word and the testimony of Jesus. 10- And at even the Holy Ghost fell upon Paul, and he prophesied, saying, Behold in the last days the God of Peace shall dwell in the cities, and the inhabitants thereof shall be numbered and in the seventh numbering of the people, their eyes shall be opened ** and the glory of their inheritance shine forth before them.The nations shall come up to worship on the mount the testifieth of the patience and long suffering of a servant of the Lord. 11- And in the latter days new tidings of the Gospel shall issue forth out of Jerusalem, and the hearts of the people shall rejoice, and behold, fountains shall be opened, and there shall be no more plague. 12- In those days there shall be wars and rumours of war; and a king shall rise up, and his sword, shall be for the healing of the nations, and his peacemaking shall abide, and the glory of his kingdom a wonder among princes. 13- And it came to pass that certain of the Druids came unto Paul privately, and showed by their rites and ceremonies they were descended from the Jews *** which escaped from bondage in the land of Egypt, and the apostle believed these things, and he gave them the kiss of peace. 14- And Paul abode in his lodgings three months confirming in the faith and preaching Christ continually. 15- And after these things Paul and his brethren departed from Raphinus and sailed unto Atium in Gaul. 16- And Paul preached in the Roman garrison and among the people, exhorting all men to repent and confess their sins. 17- And there came to him certain of the Belgae to enquire of him of the new doctrine, and of the man Jesus; And Paul opened his heart unto them and told them all things that had befallen him, howbeit, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; and they departed pondering among themselves upon the things which they had heard. 18- And after much preaching and toil, Paul and his fellow labourers passed into Helvetia, and came to Mount Pontius Pilate, where he who condemned the Lord Jesus dashed himself down headlong, and so miserably perished. 19- Immediately a torrent gushed out of the mountain and washed his body, broken in pieces, into a lake. ****Selah! 20- And Paul stretched forth his hands upon the water, and prayed unto the Lord, saying O Lord God, give a sign unto all nations that here Pontius Pilate which condemned thine only-begotten son, plunged down headlong into the pit. 21- And while Paul was yet speaking, behold, there came a great earthquake, and the face of the waters was changed, and the form of the lake like unto the Son of Man hanging in an agony upon the Cross. 22- And a voice came out of heaven saying, Even Pilate hath escaped the wrath to come for he washed his hands before the multitude at the blood-shedding of the Lord Jesus 23- When, therefore, Paul and those that were with him saw the earthquake, and heard the voice of the angel, they glorified God, they were mightily strengthened in the spirit. 24- And they journeyed and came to Mount Julius where stood two pillars, one on the right hand and one on the left hand, erected by Caesar Augustus. 25- And paul, filled with the Holy Ghost, stood up between the two pillars, saying, Men and brethren these stones which ye see this day shall testify of my journey hence; and verily I say, they shall remain until the outpouring of the spirit upon all nations, neither shall the way be hindered throughout all generations. 26- And they went forth and came unto Illtricum, intending to go by Macedonia into Asia, and grace was found in all the churches, and they prospered and had peace. Amen! *(This is the Roman name for Sandwich, in Kent. In Saxon times there was, still standing in Sandwich, and old house called the "House of the Apostles: and tradition has it that Paul was one of the Apostles). ^(Ludgate Hill and Broadway where St. Paul's Cathedral stands in London, England) ~(this first-ever census in England, prophesied in this ancient manuscript, was taken in 1801): **(this "punishment" would include ignorance of their heritage), ***[Judahites] ****[ See. It was known in Palestine and Aisia Minor thatPilate had committed suicide all the way over in Switzerland ! ! Neither Paul or Luke had been there when Pontius Pulled the Plug.] Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

AGRARIAN OUTRAGE AND ATTEMPT TO MURDER.--At six o'clock on the morning Sunday the 17th ult., an armed party, consisting of five persons, attacked the dewlling-house of Daniel Reilly, situate in the townland of Glasscarrick, near the village of Ballingah, in this county, and after breaking the door and effecting an entrance in to the house one of them fired at, and wounded Reilly so severely, as to seriously endanger his life. This outrage was perpetuated upon him by these lawless ruffians, who are supposed to be Ribbonmen or Mollymaguires, on account of his recently taken a farm out of which the farmer was evicted. The Lords Justices have issued a proclamation which has been posted up throughout the county, offering a reward of £80 for the apprehension and conviction of the perpetrators of this outrage. John M'Cullagh, Esq, R.M., stationed at Arva, and the constabularly of the district are using the most strenuous exertions to discover the delinquents and render them accountable to Justice. -------------------------------------------- COUNTY CAVAN NEWSPAPER TRANSCRIPTION PROJECT http://www.sierratel.com/colinf/genuki/CAV/Newspapers/Project.html

In a message dated 3/17/2004 11:29:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > it was a great book. > > To all who questioned MacMannus before - I'm aware that he liked to > generalize sometimes and there would always be debate on exactly how much of Ireland > was "Christian" before Patrick's mission there. But I just like to give the > credit, as history generally does, to Patrick for the accomplishment. And > "Christian" meaning the faith, not to be confused with the darker conflicts of > the church which arose in time (which, by the way, any organized religion will > have along with it's good points). > > To all - have a great & safe holiday! > > Kevin btw another fable splattered the Milesicians were in Spain and said they we decended from Gael [sp?] who was in the desert with Moses .When the snakes came and bit him. Moses said look at the brazen snake on the stake and be healed. He did. Their folklore said Moses personally prophesied a land where there would be no snakes. This is why they decided to overthrow the Tuatha Da Denaan. So Patrick did not clear out snakes that were not there hundreds of years before him Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

In a message dated 3/17/2004 8:37:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, shanedr@sbcglobal.net writes: > That is news to me! Pardon my ignorance but what is the source that says > most of pre-Patrick Ireland was Christian. And if so that quote from "Seumas > MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race" would mean the Catholic Faith is more > peaceful than other Christian faiths. Considering the Spanish Inquisition and > other dark periods in Catholic history I find an always completely peaceful > Catholic Faith is hard to swallow. Well there is Irish History as hard as it is to separate from fables ever hear of Ollam Folla. Who brought TeaTephi a daughter of Zedikiak to ireland to marry the Irish High king . Who then were sworn in as kings on the stone until Fergus took the Stone to Scotland. then Edward took it to England with all those king sworn in on the Stone. Ollam Folla then started the Irish laws and religous system at Tara. Shortly after Christ was Crucified, Lazarus, Mary Mother of Christ Mary magdeline ,Martha, and Joseph of Arimatea [ Palinstine Minister of Mining ,Christs uncle] went to Southern France were you will find relics of the women. The men crossed the British Channel and went to Glastonbury where according to legend Christ came with his uncle for mining tin contracts for Palestine. It was in Glastonbury Joseph and Lazarus being enemies of rome were embraced by the Druids and they converted. The enemy ofmy enemy is my friend. The first above ground church after Christ was the British Church. The first Church Councils sat the churchs by senority. Britian was first. Then came Caradoc son of Bran a Selerian King from Britian who was captured by the Romans by treachery . When he got to Rome they allowed him to address the Roman senate because of his military genius he was the only king allowed to live in Rome. They changed his name to Caractatus when he live with his wife Pricilla in Rome. He received part of British Taxes to live on. If you read Romans it was in the house of Pricilla that the Roman Church started. Yeah that Pricilla because the couple were Christian. Their decendents Gladys, then Claudia who was the mother of Constantine thus the Christainizing of Rome. As you might expect this could possibly be a dangerous notion to a chruch that claimed supremacy. Thus it was supressed. The protestents didnt find it any more appealing. S o thus you know nothing about it. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

In a message dated 3/17/2004 8:20:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, ancabhan@taconic.net writes: > Did he not bring > Christianity to Ireland-beginning with using the Shamrock as the vehicle to > explain the trinity? I have read that prior to Patrick and the change to > Christianity, that the Irish were Pagans, worshipping Lugh, the Sun God. Can > anyone give some sort of synopsis for those of us who are in need no they were christian just not roman catholic.i am a keltoi catholic and as such identify with the people who started worshiping at tara and we making kings on the stone of scone. and the reason i wera black is all i want is tobe at the last coming andhear both sides explainto christwhy they needed to kill their christian brothers in his name . and that included st patrick another englishman [roman] telling irishmen how to think. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

All, Some good references: How the Irish Saved Civilization Sun Dancing. The vigour with which the Irish embraced Christianity is really fascinating. Some read about the desert Father's and attempted to imitate by isolating themselves on bare rocks, Skellig Michel. It is also interesting to study how Christianity had its own twist in Ireland and struggled against Roamn domination for the first 500 years. Blessings on all Irish Sisters and Brothers in peace. Annie McEntee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reiley Dennis S" <shanedr@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day > > CARADOC28@aol.com wrote: > > all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be barbarians which they were not they where christians > > That is news to me! Pardon my ignorance but what is the source that says most of pre-Patrick Ireland was Christian. And if so that quote from "Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race" would mean the Catholic Faith is more peaceful than other Christian faiths. Considering the Spanish Inquisition and other dark periods in Catholic history I find an always completely peaceful Catholic Faith is hard to swallow. > > Best wishes, Dennis Reiley shanedr@sbcglobal.net > In a message dated 3/17/2004 12:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > > > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before > > Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, > > and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering > > sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and > > land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing > > balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not > > disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical > > change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one > > man." > > > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. > > all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be > barbarians which they were not they where christians > > Jim Denning > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

Kevin, Thank you for your remembrance of our Christian heritage. This is beautifully said. Annie McEntee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin O'Malley" <brerkev@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day > > Wishing all blessings on this Holy day in honor of one of the world's great evangelists, Saint Patrick. > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one man." > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. > > > Kevin O'Malley and family > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN >

Annie, Thanks for the kind words and also thanks for the added reference book you mentioned - I read it and it was a great book. To all who questioned MacMannus before - I'm aware that he liked to generalize sometimes and there would always be debate on exactly how much of Ireland was "Christian" before Patrick's mission there. But I just like to give the credit, as history generally does, to Patrick for the accomplishment. And "Christian" meaning the faith, not to be confused with the darker conflicts of the church which arose in time (which, by the way, any organized religion will have along with it's good points). To all - have a great & safe holiday! Kevin anniemc <anniemc@verizon.net> wrote: Kevin, Thank you for your remembrance of our Christian heritage. This is beautifully said. Annie McEntee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin O'Malley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:18 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day > > Wishing all blessings on this Holy day in honor of one of the world's great evangelists, Saint Patrick. > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one man." > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. > > > Kevin O'Malley and family > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam

Happy Saint Patrick's Day to all, both near and far! I am very confused after reading much history on the Saint. Did he not bring Christianity to Ireland-beginning with using the Shamrock as the vehicle to explain the trinity? I have read that prior to Patrick and the change to Christianity, that the Irish were Pagans, worshipping Lugh, the Sun God. Can anyone give some sort of synopsis for those of us who are in need? Blessings on the day.... Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARADOC28@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] St Pats Day > In a message dated 3/17/2004 12:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before > > Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, > > and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering > > sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and > > land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing > > balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not > > disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical > > change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one > > man." > > > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. > > all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be > barbarians which they were not they where christians > > > Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinnin g- > carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mch ug > h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop ,M > a.-sprague- and ever growing list > Jim Denning > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN > >

CARADOC28@aol.com wrote: all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be barbarians which they were not they where christians That is news to me! Pardon my ignorance but what is the source that says most of pre-Patrick Ireland was Christian. And if so that quote from "Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race" would mean the Catholic Faith is more peaceful than other Christian faiths. Considering the Spanish Inquisition and other dark periods in Catholic history I find an always completely peaceful Catholic Faith is hard to swallow. Best wishes, Dennis Reiley shanedr@sbcglobal.net In a message dated 3/17/2004 12:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before > Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, > and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering > sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and > land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing > balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not > disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical > change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one > man." > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be barbarians which they were not they where christians Jim Denning

In a message dated 3/17/2004 12:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > > "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before > Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, > and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering > sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and > land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing > balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not > disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical > change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one > man." > > ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. all this is something as long as you asume the pre patrick people to be barbarians which they were not they where christians Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

In a message dated 3/17/2004 12:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, brerkev@yahoo.com writes: > Wishing all blessings on this Holy day in honor of one of the world's great > evangelists, Saint Patrick. > personally i wear black its no holy day for me Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Wishing all blessings on this Holy day in honor of one of the world's great evangelists, Saint Patrick. "...we contrast two widely different natures of the Irish people who before Patrick were carrying the ruthless law of the sword far over sea and land, and that very different Irish people who, after Patrick, left the conquering sword to be eaten by rust, while they went far and wide again over sea and land, bearing now to the nations - both neighboring and far off - the healing balm of Christ's gentle words. All histories of all countries probably could not disclose to the most conscientious searcher another instance of such radical change in a whole nations character being wrought within the lifespan of one man." ----Seumas MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race. Kevin O'Malley and family Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam

Hello Kate, You might check the following site, which is sponsored by a guy named Al Beagan. http://www.members.tripod.com/~Al_Beagan/tcavan.htm Regards. Dan Wagner

Seaching for info on Hugh McClelland b.Abt. 1798 Londonderry, Ireland. married Elizabeth Williamson abt. 1825 Ireland. Children: Mary McClelland b. June 11, 1826, Ireland David McClelland b. abt 1831, Cavan Ireland; James McClelland b. abt. 1832, Ireland; Sarah McClelland b. abt 1833, Ireland; Hugh McClelland b.August 09, 1835, Cavan Ireland; Martha McClelland b. January 05, 1840, Cavan Ireland. Jean Campbell hamcamp@ebtech.net

Hello - I'm new to this list and just researching one name in the area. I am looking for John BOYLE born about 1824 in Cavan. He came to England and married in 1851. His father's name was also John BOYLE. This is all the information I have on him. Have I got any chance of finding anything further and if so, would some kind soul please give me some advice on what to search? If you think this is like looking for the proverbial needle, then please just tell me! Regards, Lorraine Williams N E Lincolnshire --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.610 / Virus Database: 390 - Release Date: 03/03/04

"The Anglo Celt" Cavan; Thursday, August 19, 1852 HOME CIRCUIT Guildford, Thurday, Aug 5. (Before Lord Chief Justice JERVIS and a special Jury.) GRIFFITHS v. de L'ESPINASSE and another This case, which was one of an extraordinary nature, was commenced to-day, and after occupying the court until past six o'clock it was adjourned. Mr. M. CHAMBERS, Q.C., Mr. DAWSON and Mr. LUSH, were for the plaintiff; Sergeant SHEE, Mr. BRAMWELL, Q.C., and Mr. WILLES were for the defendant. The declaration alleged that the plaintiff, who sued by her next friend, (her uncle,) being a young girl, had been placed in the charge of the defendants, who were the principal and deputy lady-superior of a Roman Catholic establishment at Norwood; and that they undertook to provide her with proper food and nourishment and other necessaries, and it then went on to allege that, in breach of that undertaking, the defendants had neglected to provide proper food; that they had worked her beyond her strength, and that they had improperly confined and otherwise ill-treated her; the consequence of which was that she became very ill and distempered in her body, and eventually lost the sight of one eye. The defendants pleaded, first not guilty; secondly, that they were not the managers of the establishment in question; and also, that the plaintiff had not been placed in the establishment for the purposes and in the manner mentioned in the declaration. The trial continued for three days, and resulted in a verdict for the defendants. The evidence is too voluminous for our columns. Death of Mrs. Lalor SHEIL. - We deeply regret to announce the death of Mrs. Sheil, relict of the Right Hon. R. L. Sheil, which occurred on the 4th inst., at Leghorn. The remains of this lamented lady are expected over about the end of the month and will be interred at the family burial-place, a ___ Orchard, near Templemore. GOOD NEWS FOR CAVAN! Discover of a Coal Mine. A few days ago as a farmer near Kilnaleck was making a pit, he alighted unexpectedly upon a coal mine at the depth of six feet from the surface of the earth. A portion of the coal, which is very easily got at, has since been raised, and a specimen of it forwarded to us by Anthony KILROY, Esq., Omard, which any one who calls may see at this office. The coal, which is of the Anthracite kind, is peculiarly clear and sparkling. The mine is on the property of Mr. BREDIN, who holds under the see of Kilmore. It is situate in the townland of Kill, about 8-1/2 miles from the town of Cavan and ¾ of a mile from Kilnaleck. This discovery must add materially to the wealth and prosperity of the county Cavan. It will give an impulse, unknown before, to manufactures, and in every way be of immense service. We anticipate a speedy rise in the value of the Cavan Gas Company's shares. Before making any suggestions as to the opening and working of the mine, it is advisable to see what the proprietor will do; but certainly the work should be undertaken and carried on by Irishmen, and if possible, by Cavan people. THE EARL OF LANESBOROUGH. Since this justly admired nobleman and his amiable Countess returned to their estates in Cavan, the tenantry have had one unbroken scene of rejoicing. To-day a large party, numbering uupwards of 1,000, dined at Lanesborough Lodge, Belturbet, on the invitation of the Earl and Countess. We will give the particulars in our next. It is to be regretted that these reunions are not more frequent generally, as they would tend to break down prejudices and unite landlords and tenants in all struggles for their mutual advantage and the benefit of the common weal. MURDERS. - We regret to say that we have been informed upon good authority of two men having lost their lives by violence in this county within the last few days. We forbear mentioning all we have heard until better acquainted with the particulars. The first case occurred at Coronary, between Killeshandra and Arvagh, when a man named PRUNTY was killed by a near relative in a squabble about the mearing of their farms. The other case happened on the borders of the county, when two men quarreled about the Longford election; the one struck the other on the head with a hammer - the blow caused immediate death. It seemed the deceased took an active part on behalf of the Conservative candidate - hence the cause of dispute. The late Miss Disset, of Stranorlar has, with wise discrimination, bequeathed the sum of 12£ to the Priests' Protection Society, which the directors have lodged in the bank, in the name of the trustee, to the credit of the legacy fund. - Herald The Senior commenced his duty on Wednesday, at the Custom-house, Dublin, as successor to Mr. Ball, M.P., ex-poor-law inspector. Six second class inspectors in Ireland are to be appointed next week. Three out of the seven convicts who effected their escape out of the gaol at Ennis, on the morning of the 29th ult., have been arrested by the constabulary of the Kildysart district. Their names are Philip KEARNEY, Patt KEAN, and E. MESKEL. On Saturday his excellency the Lord Lieutenant received a deputation from the ex-paymasters of police, who were harshly deprived of their offices last year without any retiring annual allowance. His excellency generously subscribed to the proposition. Sub-Inspector COMYN, while stationed at Sligo, obtained leave of absence for a few months, and emigrated to America last year. Having returned from New York, he was transferred by the Inspector-general to Outerard, but was discharged on the 9th inst. without pension or gratuity, and has been replaced by Sub Inspector PHILLIPS from Cavan. Head Constable TAFFY, who has been stationed at Dromore, was discharged a few days ago, on a pension of 38£. Per annum. COOTEHILL PETTY SESSIONS Saturday, Aug. 14, 1852. - William PURCELL, a pensioner, and who is stationed as gate-keeper at the Town lodge leading to Bellamont Forest House, was summoned before the bench, for having, on the previous Wednesday, appeared drunk in the streets and uttered offensive party cries, such as cursing the Pope, &c. Sub-constable BAILEY proved the complaint, and on the Bench asking Purcell what he had to say for himself, he confessed he was drunk on the day referred to, but that it was his first offence and hoped the court would deal leniently with him, on which he was fined sixpence and costs. Many persons in Cootehill are much dissatisfied with the decision of the Bench on this occasion, and think such a nominal punishment is not at all commensurate with that due to so grave an offence. They cannot help contrasting the decision of the bench on this occasion with that on a former occasion, when a respectable farmer named SMITH, a voter of this county, and who gave a plumper for Tenant Right, was summoned by the police for being drunk ad was fined five shillings and costs, although three or more very respectable gentlemen swore he was not drunk on the occasion alluded to, but had taken some refreshment in the way of drink, and the police themselves were obliged to admit he was not drunk, but merely under the influence of drink. Now on this occasion, when the charge has been fully proven and admitted, a fine the most nominal has been imposed, whereas on the other, although the case was one that admitted of the greatest doubt, the heaviest fine the law allowe! d was imposed. County Cavan Newspaper Transcription Project

Does anyone know where I could obtain this info? Thank you for any help you can give me. Kate Pearson

Try http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ireland/CAV/Maps/ -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Pearson [mailto:kirish@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:35 PM To: IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Maps & Names of Townlands & Parishes, etc. of Cavan Does anyone know where I could obtain this info? Thank you for any help you can give me. Kate Pearson ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN