Well put, Mr. & Mrs. Golden. I agree completely with your statements. I might add though, if it is worth one's time to write, it is certainly worth a little extra time to proof read one's work and not rely entirely on spell check. It would be doubly worthwhile having another person proof the email prior to submitting to the internet. Al Nickerson betalnick@comcast.net Dearborn, Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland & Rosemary Golden" <margold56@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Re: Off Topic - Re: Common Civility To the several listers who seem to have taken CARADOC to task PLEASE, PLEASE take your criticism OFF LIST. There is NO NEED to subject a lister to even the slightest public humiliation by raking their spelling or grammar over the coals. Or raking any deficiency over the coals. Yes I also find it offensive when I see an e-mail with repeated misspellings or simple grammatical errors. Yes, it makes me think or feel that the writer doesn't care. However after a number of years on this list and about 10 others I have found that some people are very excited when communicating on the list or feel an urgency to get their message or question out to the public or even hit the send button before proof reading the e-mail. In an imperfect world mistakes happen. Give the person the benefit of the doubt, and if you are interested in the material presented in the posting, but spelling and grammatical construction mask the message, for God sake, have the common decency to contact the individual off line. The program assists on the operating system do not always work properly, hence so8uth (south) will get through my spell check. I know its annoying to get messages with errors, but be charitable, recognize that the sender may be having difficulties, and deal directly with that person and save his/her dignity. They are human. Bill Golden, Green Harbor Mass. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== For the IRL-CAVAN-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CAVAN

To the several listers who seem to have taken CARADOC to task PLEASE, PLEASE take your criticism OFF LIST. There is NO NEED to subject a lister to even the slightest public humiliation by raking their spelling or grammar over the coals. Or raking any deficiency over the coals. Yes I also find it offensive when I see an e-mail with repeated misspellings or simple grammatical errors. Yes, it makes me think or feel that the writer doesn't care. However after a number of years on this list and about 10 others I have found that some people are very excited when communicating on the list or feel an urgency to get their message or question out to the public or even hit the send button before proof reading the e-mail. In an imperfect world mistakes happen. Give the person the benefit of the doubt, and if you are interested in the material presented in the posting, but spelling and grammatical construction mask the message, for God sake, have the common decency to contact the individual off line. The program assists on the operating system do not always work properly, hence so8uth (south) will get through my spell check. I know its annoying to get messages with errors, but be charitable, recognize that the sender may be having difficulties, and deal directly with that person and save his/her dignity. They are human. Bill Golden, Green Harbor Mass. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com

Roland & Rosemary Golden wrote: > > To the several listers who seem to have taken CARADOC to task PLEASE, PLEASE > take your criticism OFF LIST. There is NO NEED to subject a lister to even > the slightest public humiliation by raking their spelling or grammar over > the coals. Or raking any deficiency over the coals. Yes I also find it > offensive when I see an e-mail with repeated misspellings or simple > grammatical errors. Yes, it makes me think or feel that the writer doesn't > care. However after a number of years on this list and about 10 others I > have found that some people are very excited when communicating on the list > or feel an urgency to get their message or question out to the public or > even hit the send button before proof reading the e-mail. In an imperfect > world mistakes happen. Give the person the benefit of the doubt, and if you > are interested in the material presented in the posting, but spelling and > grammatical construction mask the message, for God sake, have the common > decency to contact the individual off line. The program assists on the > operating system do not always work properly, hence so8uth (south) will get > through my spell check. I know its annoying to get messages with errors, but > be charitable, recognize that the sender may be having difficulties, and > deal directly with that person and save his/her dignity. They are human. > > Bill Golden, Green Harbor Mass. > > _________________________________________________________________ > AMen to that Bill..... Bill Grimes Round Rock, TX

Thanks for replying. I have been researching Cahill in Newark for years as have several others I keep contact with. Lilly Hammer Jack Cipperano, and Ruth ?. (Not sure about the above spellings) Anyway, what we are searching is the origin of our Cahill family in Ireland. Our families go back to 1850 in Newark, records are poor as to the old country. I have establish a lot of Cahill's from Cavan that were in Newark at the turn of the century 1900-1930. I also found a few that were married late 1800s. I have yet to establish a connection to the Cavan these Cahill's as relatives to us. (you may be an important key) I and others have established through our families records and personal memory connections to great aunts and uncles, but never did establish a connection to Ireland. How did your family get to Newark? Via established relatives or a job change or straight from Ireland? The funny part of all this is my mother is a Reilly and her family is from Cavan and I visit them often. My connection to Cahill is my grandmother on my fathers side, She was Ellen or Nellie Cahill from Down- neck Newark. I will be off the computer for a few days, but please respond if you think I can help you or you can help me. Thanks Jack Batty ----- Original Message ----- From: <SalvestJ@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Cahill/McGorry > Jack, > > I grew up in Newark; originally from NYC. Don't know if we are the Newark > Cahills you are looking for, I recall others who were not related, but the Luke > CAHILL and Susan McGORRY are definitely my family. Let me know if you find a > connection, sure would be great to add to the family tree. Jeanne > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >

I agree, I was not able to decipher that message either. I also do not see any need for symbols and other means of shortening messages. On the other hand I can handle some poor grammar and punctuation problems, but sometimes it just gets so bad you don't have any idea what the person is trying to communicate. And not using the spell checker that all email programs have is inexcusable. Dennis Reiley Richard McCutcheon <anndick.mccutcheon@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hello Listers: I've been debating with myself all day as to the wisdom of responding to the message below. The author might have something very important to say but I may never know. I have noticed in a few messages by this and various authors that they apparently don't know how, don't care, or deliberately choose not to write in English as I understand it. In this case, there is no punctuation or capitalization, nor evident concern for grammatical correctness and, as a consequence, I don't really understand much of what he/she is trying to say. I understand the trend towards hastily-constructed, terse notes and the use of short-forms or symbols in a lot of the e-mail I receive. I generally don't make an issue of the lack of correctness of spelling, grammar, or the presence of typos in e-mail messages, but I suggest there needs to be enough care taken that the message can be understood by most, if not all, of the intended readers. Am I the only one who finds this style of writing frustrating? It is not my intention to pick on the author of the message below. I merely use it as an example of what I consider to be poor communication. Dick McCutcheon Sault Ste Mare, ON To: Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] wanted more lines of names with DNN to connect more trees > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp > its basicly 99 or 135 smething the page gives the prices you need a male > because y chromisones are the factor. you will drop 135 american quickly in > research . most of which isnt anyway as factual.its a good deal. takes with sending > you the kit and you returning it and processing aboit 1.5-2mns, ever send > requests by snail mail anywhere? > the best thing to do since there isnt a project going for rusk is to get 3 > people with the name . that you have met and have them form a project. thats > what i did just by myself. most of us irish can go back to maybe 1750 then it > becomes harder this when enough members get done will course the progressions of > lines [branches]. also you get compared against everyone done and will be done > good luck ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode)

Regarding the punctuation or lack thereof, of the letter on DNA testing. You said it all, and most graciously for me at least. I stopped reading it when it became too challenging to decode. Nancy Praetzel

In a message dated 6/10/2004 12:16:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anndick.mccutcheon@sympatico.ca writes: > Hello Listers: > I've been debating with myself all day as to the wisdom of responding to the > message below. The author might have something very important to say but I > may never know. I have noticed in a few messages by yhis and various authors > that they apparently don't know how, don't care, or deliberately choose not > to write in English as I understand it. In this case, there is no puntuation > or capitalization, nor evident concern for grammatical correctness and, as a > consequence, I don't really understand much of what he/she is trying to say. > > I understand the trend towards hastily-constructed, terse notes and the use > of shortforms or symbols in a lot of the e-mail I receive. I generally don't > make an issue of the lack of correctness of spelling, grammar, or the > presence of typos in e-mail messages, but I suggest there needs to be enough > care taken that the message can be understood by most, if not all, of the > intended readers. Am I the only one who finds this style of writing > frustrating? > > It is not my intention to pick on the author of the message below. I merely > use it as an example of what I consider to be poor communication. > > Dick McCutcheon > Sault Ste Mare, ON In your english there is a term called mixed dominant this is a learning disability i concider a distinct advantage. Because what it is basicly is that you and most people have adominant side of the brain.This allows you to be either creative or logical. I on the other hand can be both or neither at any time. The logic can be creative a wonderful benefit. Unfortunatly every good thing has to have a drawback. this has the ability to make repeatative acts very hard. because files dont allways get put back where you just got them from. One of the repeatative acts most difficult is typing . I can not look at the screen and type . So I can be correcting as i go. Also finding special keys like caps is very difficult . but i can live with that. besides when i went to school they said men will never need to type. unfortunatly here i am . usually when i am typing my mind is three steps ahead. and before i know it i have hit the send key. I am controling this alot better after years of trials but hey its only for fun anyways. St. Paul had his throne in his flesh; this is mine . I can live with it. but maybe some others can't. okay i can understand that. Living in this perfect world where everyone is without flaw I must appologize,for my imperfection must really be annoying. Dick sorry your perfect world was infiltrated by my imperfection. Can you try to live with it like i do imperfect logic. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Hello Listers: I've been debating with myself all day as to the wisdom of responding to the message below. The author might have something very important to say but I may never know. I have noticed in a few messages by yhis and various authors that they apparently don't know how, don't care, or deliberately choose not to write in English as I understand it. In this case, there is no puntuation or capitalization, nor evident concern for grammatical correctness and, as a consequence, I don't really understand much of what he/she is trying to say. I understand the trend towards hastily-constructed, terse notes and the use of shortforms or symbols in a lot of the e-mail I receive. I generally don't make an issue of the lack of correctness of spelling, grammar, or the presence of typos in e-mail messages, but I suggest there needs to be enough care taken that the message can be understood by most, if not all, of the intended readers. Am I the only one who finds this style of writing frustrating? It is not my intention to pick on the author of the message below. I merely use it as an example of what I consider to be poor communication. Dick McCutcheon Sault Ste Mare, ON To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] wanted more lines of names with DNN to connect more trees > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp > its basicly 99 or 135 smething the page gives the prices you need a male > because y chromisones are the factor. you will drop 135 american quickly in > research . most of which isnt anyway as factual.its a good deal. takes with sending > you the kit and you returning it and processing aboit 1.5-2mns, ever send > requests by snail mail anywhere? > the best thing to do since there isnt a project going for rusk is to get 3 > people with the name . that you have met and have them form a project. thats > what i did just by myself. most of us irish can go back to maybe 1750 then it > becomes harder this when enough members get done will course the progressions of > lines [branches]. also you get compared against everyone done and will be done > good luck

Dear Joan, My McCabe relatives came from Greagalone, a townland on the border between Cavan and Monaghan, near Shercock, Parish of Magheracloone, but really not far from Kingscourt. In reality , I think that part of the country must have been thick with McCabes. My Grandmother Anne, had an older brother Michael, born 1864, but I think he came to California, Michael was a name prevalent in his maternal family ( Burns) and they lived near by. most of those McCabes who immagrated came to San Francisco, but some of the Burns, came to Iowa. Nancy

Dear Kimberly, There are so many stories of people going back to Ireland and meeting their relatives on the street - it sounds so wonderful! I would appreciate it greatly if you could look for Michael and Catherine Carolan McCabe in either Virginia or Kingscourt areas. We could find nothing in either of those places, so they could have been from anywhere in the area. Thank you for any help. Joan McCabe Reynolds

Jack, I grew up in Newark; originally from NYC. Don't know if we are the Newark Cahills you are looking for, I recall others who were not related, but the Luke CAHILL and Susan McGORRY are definitely my family. Let me know if you find a connection, sure would be great to add to the family tree. Jeanne

For all of you who have been interested in this book, I thought I'd let you know that I heard back from Cana House (the genealogy resource center in Cavan) and they regret to inform us that this book is no longer in print and therefore not available to purchase. I will attempt to scan the book in it's entirety before returning it to its owner, so that I can continue to assist those who might like information from it. If you can wait a few months for your request, that would be best for me, as I have only a couple weeks to get it scanned and filed, before I pack up my 6 kids and take off for the family farm in Saskatchewan, Canada, for a 2 month visit. When I get back in September I'll be ready for anything! Or you can send your request and I will keep it on file for when I return (and maybe I'll get to it before I leave!). Kimberley Walters walterskk@hotmail.com

In a message dated 6/9/2004 9:50:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jgrnlr@cableone.net writes: > > I take it you had your DNA done? Could you tell me about that, please? With > whom (which company) did you deal? How long did it take to get results back? > Was it expensive? > > Thank you, > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp its basicly 99 or 135 smething the page gives the prices you need a male because y chromisones are the factor. you will drop 135 american quickly in research . most of which isnt anyway as factual.its a good deal. takes with sending you the kit and you returning it and processing aboit 1.5-2mns, ever send requests by snail mail anywhere? the best thing to do since there isnt a project going for rusk is to get 3 people with the name . that you have met and have them form a project. thats what i did just by myself. most of us irish can go back to maybe 1750 then it becomes harder this when enough members get done will course the progressions of lines [branches]. also you get compared against everyone done and will be done good luck jim Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Jeanne, Wow, I think we may have a contact. Are you related to any Cahill's in the Newark area? Those two names Luke on the Cahill side and McGorry ring a bell in my research. I have not been back to my Cahills for about a year, but you may have opened a door for me. I need to go back to my records Jack Batty ----- Original Message ----- From: <SalvestJ@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Knockbridge History > Dear Kimberly, > > My grandparents, Luke CAHILL and Susan MAGORRY (McGORRY} were married in the > Catholic Chapel of Knockbride on July 5, 1902. He was from Crocknahattina and > she from Cullies according to the marriage certificate. Does your book show > anything on either CAHILL or MAGORRY (McGORRY) families in Knockbride. Luke's > father was John CAHILL. Susan's father was Philip MAGORRY (McGORRY) both > were farmers. Thanks so much for the lookup offer. Jeanne Cahill Salvest, > Mendham, NJ > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

I take it you had your DNA done? Could you tell me about that, please? With whom (which company) did you deal? How long did it take to get results back? Was it expensive? Thank you, Joan Griffin Rusk ----- from DUNNING seem incorrect. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinnin g- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mch ug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop ,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode)

Hi Kimberley. It is extremely generous of you to offer to search the Knockbride history for all of us. Are there any Vanes in the Knockbride book, please? I have Elizabeth Walker marrying John Vanes at Knockbride in 1878. They were Church of Ireland. Looking forward to hearing about your Drury discoveries. Bev MacLeod

my first 12 markers are back and they show some unexpected stuff. this isnt much until the other 2 variant names have their results. but if they follow the same pattern as mine do this could get very interesting. If you have that brick wall this will give you direction to look i was connected to 16 people of similar markers.now i have a better idea of what is ahead. but one line doesnt do much the more of you that join will create trees with branches and even leaves. lol http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Denning&variants on thing is showing up is the scot british books that say we are the dirived from DUNNING seem incorrect. Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

My sincere thanks and appreciation to Kimberly and Grant for their help with my CAHILL and MCGORRY family search. I will acknowledge each of them privately but think they should have public recognition for their kindness to a stranger. Jeanne

SORRY!!! I didn't mean to send that to the list! It must be my bedtime! Kimberley ----- Original Message ----- From: <SalvestJ@aol.com> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:18 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Knockbridge History > Dear Kimberly, > > My grandparents, Luke CAHILL and Susan MAGORRY (McGORRY} were married in the > Catholic Chapel of Knockbride on July 5, 1902. He was from Crocknahattina and > she from Cullies according to the marriage certificate. Does your book show > anything on either CAHILL or MAGORRY (McGORRY) families in Knockbride. Luke's > father was John CAHILL. Susan's father was Philip MAGORRY (McGORRY) both > were farmers. Thanks so much for the lookup offer. Jeanne Cahill Salvest, > Mendham, NJ > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) > >

I have Irish rellies, I have been very lucky as they lived in Killeshandra which is the only survivng 1841 census for Ireland, but that's where I stick cos the only way to get back further is the Irish bp records most of which are only available in Ireland and irish researchers are horribly expensive. You might like to check Irish Origins and the Irish Times sites online. You can do a simple search which while a bit generalised may help you eliminate some areas.I found some hopeful RC chr records on the Irish Times site for my BIGGS family which surprised me as as far as I am aware they were protestant. As yet I haven't been able to check out the full details, no church is stated (presumably in th e hope of making people spend lots of money on researchers in Ireland!) but some of the relevant PRs have been filmed by LDS so I need to order those and check them out some time. The dates of the baptisms also narrow down which churches it could be. There are some searchable sites online. I have found the trick with Ireland is to search everything you find for every name you can think of! That is how I found the 1841 census records which has lead to giving me gggps siblings and in one case parents and in the other grandparents names. As for Aus actually I do... PEARSON Edward and Elizabeth emigrated on the Golconda in 1858 with children William James 2 and Elizabeth Mirriam 8 and they had a load more kids in Aus (already found on the NSW database) then went to NZ in 1864, William James returned with wife Abigail and 3 kids in 1891ish and had some more kids (NSW database) .It would be nice to be able to get more details on them if possible but with out ordering the birth certs if poss (I'm a cheap bugger!) However my main problem is Edwrads family, I believe his brother Thomas was transported on the Moffat in 1836. I had a contact who was going to check up on him and send some more details but we lost touch and her email address is now defunct. Edwards parenst and other siblings disappear from England and I wonder if they too emigrated , if so not to NSW where there seesms to be no trace. My other family out there are descendants of my grandmothers SIMMONDS brothers. Again I have found marriages on the NSW site but they were born too late to be included in the births. We have lost touch with these family members after the death of my grandmothers youngest sister so don't even know if there are any survivors. good luck in your searches reagrds Jane Pearson 12 Mountfort Street Outram New Zealand Tel. 643 486 1363 jtpoutdoor@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "joseph steen" <jandksteen@optusnet.com.au> To: <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] JAMES FITZPATRICK born CAVAN > Dear Jane > > Thank you for your prompt reply to my query. The certificate I have is an > 1855 Scottish one - and they give a treasure trove of information on the > parties. I thought I had finally found the way over my brick wall but it > appears I have a lot more work to do, as far as the Irish side of the family > is concerned. What a pity they don't have the resources that the Scottish > side does. Ah well - back to the drawing board. > > Thank you once again > Kay (ex Glasgow now in Australia) > > PS: If you have any 'lost' rellies that you think might be in Ozzie land I > would be happy to look. > > > > ==== IRL-CAVAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or > mailto:IRL-CAVAN-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) >