Just re-read this: " < My list of LDS holdings shows only abstracts done by Gertrude Thrift for 1821, 1841 and 1851 (Film#596418) to substantiate claims by certain persons for the old-age pension plan that commenced in 1909.> ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY /1841 Census Extract Where would one find these lists by Gertrude Thrift please? I would like to see if my Great-Grandfather, Patrick Sheridan was listed anyplace. I am sure he applied for the OAP however his age seems to change from census to census. In the 1901 census he is listed as 45 and by 1911 he has aged to 70. His death certificate later in 1911 also indicates his age as 70. Any ideas on how one determines his true birth year? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY /1841 Census Extract Hi Dave, where did you find the 1841 Census abstract for Co.Cavan? My list of LDS holdings shows only abstracts done by Gertrude Thrift for 1821, 1841 and 1851 (Film#596418) to substantiate claims by certain persons for the old age pension plan that commenced in 1909. There are also some burnt fragments of the 1841 census for Cork, Galway and Fermanagh on Film #100816. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY FROM KILLESHANDRA > Hi Hilda, From the 1841 Census of Killeshandra, Keelagh townlands: > > WEBSTER > Alexander, 26, head m. in 1836, gardener b. in Scotland > Elespit, 24, wife b. in Scotland > Jane, 4 dau. b. in Scotland > George, 2yr 6mo. b. in Scotland > John 3mo. b. in Cavan > > > Hope this is of some help, Dave Blair, Pembroke, MA USA (Blairs of > Killeshandra)

Hi Hilda, Found this marriage for you; Alexander WEBSTER to Elspet LAING, 21 May 1836 Keig, Aberdeen, Scotland Webster to seems to fairly common surname in Aberdeen. Dave Blair

The 1841 Census for Killeshandra Parish was published by William G. Masterson of Indiana entitled COUNTY CAVAN, IRELAND, KILLESHANDRA PARISH, 1841 CENSUS A Transcription and Index (revised 2001). I purchased it directly from him. It has over 12,000 listings. Family Tree has the CD in a more limited edition. Dave Blair

Where would one find these lists by Gertrude Thrift please? I would like to see if my Great-Grandfather, Patrick Sheridan was listed anyplace. I am sure he applied for the OAP however his age seems to change from census to census. In the 1901 census he is listed as 45 and by 1911 he has aged to 70. His death certificate later in 1911 also indicates his age as 70. Any ideas on how one determines his true birth year? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY /1841 Census Extract Hi Dave, where did you find the 1841 Census abstract for Co.Cavan? My list of LDS holdings shows only abstracts done by Gertrude Thrift for 1821, 1841 and 1851 (Film#596418) to substantiate claims by certain persons for the old age pension plan that commenced in 1909. There are also some burnt fragments of the 1841 census for Cork, Galway and Fermanagh on Film #100816. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY FROM KILLESHANDRA > Hi Hilda, From the 1841 Census of Killeshandra, Keelagh townlands: > > WEBSTER > Alexander, 26, head m. in 1836, gardener b. in Scotland > Elespit, 24, wife b. in Scotland > Jane, 4 dau. b. in Scotland > George, 2yr 6mo. b. in Scotland > John 3mo. b. in Cavan > > > Hope this is of some help, Dave Blair, Pembroke, MA USA (Blairs of > Killeshandra) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Dave, Can you come forward a little and see who was born after John age 3/12 in 1841. James wasn't born until (c) 1852. Also his mother's name is listed as Elizabeth. I guess Elespit would be interpreted as Elizabeth in modern times. Thank you, Hilda. Sydney NSW

TOP 'O THE MORN AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL Can someone please help me find information about:- James WEBSTER b. 1852 Killeshandra son of Alexander WEBSTER and Elizabeth ? This information is recorded on James's Death Certificate. Married Mary Murray in Presbyterian Church, City of Cork (c) 1881 Daughter Hannah Webster born 1882. Emmigrated to Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. (c) 1883 Son Alexander b. Hobart, Tasmania 1883 d. Newtown, Sydney NSW 1887 Son Peter b. Newtown, Sydney NSW 1887 d. Drummoyne, Sydney NSW1948. He was my father in law's father. Son James b. ? d. Newtown, Sydney NSW 1888 Son William b. Newtown, Sydney, NSW 1889 d. Newtown, Sydney, NSW 1889 James WEBSTER lived for 2 years in Hobart, Tasmania before arriving in Sydney NSW where he lived for 9 years until his death in 1894. He died age 42 years. He was a Saddler by trade and his father was a Farrier. (presumably in Ireland) We don't know very much about Mary Murray except that her name might possibly be Mary Frances Murray (as shown on Hannah's Death Record in Sydney, NSW Australia). And that Mary was disinherited by the family when she married James, a Presbyterian. We would also like to find out any information regarding James's parents Alexander and Elizabeth WEBSTER and Mary Murray's Parents. I know this is a tall order but any information would be gratefully appreciated. Hilda Cooper formerly Webster. Sydney Australia.

That is true, but there are extracts of certain families by Gertrude Thrift on LDS Film#596418. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY FROM KILLESHANDRA > Hi Hilda, That would be difficult as no 1851 census survives for Co. > Cavan. > You would have to write for local parish records or to the County Cavan > Genealogical Centre, Cana House, Cavan Town. Good luck in your search. > Dave > Blair

Hi Dave, where did you find the 1841 Census abstract for Co.Cavan? My list of LDS holdings shows only abstracts done by Gertrude Thrift for 1821, 1841 and 1851 (Film#596418) to substantiate claims by certain persons for the old age pension plan that commenced in 1909. There are also some burnt fragments of the 1841 census for Cork, Galway and Fermanagh on Film #100816. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] WEBSTER FAMILY FROM KILLESHANDRA > Hi Hilda, From the 1841 Census of Killeshandra, Keelagh townlands: > > WEBSTER > Alexander, 26, head m. in 1836, gardener b. in Scotland > Elespit, 24, wife b. in Scotland > Jane, 4 dau. b. in Scotland > George, 2yr 6mo. b. in Scotland > John 3mo. b. in Cavan > > > Hope this is of some help, Dave Blair, Pembroke, MA USA (Blairs of > Killeshandra)

Hi Hilda, That would be difficult as no 1851 census survives for Co. Cavan. You would have to write for local parish records or to the County Cavan Genealogical Centre, Cana House, Cavan Town. Good luck in your search. Dave Blair

Hi Hilda, From the 1841 Census of Killeshandra, Keelagh townlands: WEBSTER Alexander, 26, head m. in 1836, gardener b. in Scotland Elespit, 24, wife b. in Scotland Jane, 4 dau. b. in Scotland George, 2yr 6mo. b. in Scotland John 3mo. b. in Cavan Hope this is of some help, Dave Blair, Pembroke, MA USA (Blairs of Killeshandra)

In a message dated 12/19/2006 11:32:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:28:10 +1300 From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Admin Note to Denise To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi Denise Sorry to generate more on list but your private address is not listed. For some reason all my mail is coming through bounces but my address is still viable, how do I fix this? Regards Jane ----------------------- Jane: I don't understand your post. My personal email address is: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) . Thanks. Denise

In a message dated 12/19/2006 5:45:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:37:48 -0500 From: Gerald Sullivan <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Sullivan To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Please leave my uncle William Sullivan or Sorahan b 15June1879 in Denbain or Denbaun,Co Cavan on your search list Thank you -------------------------- Gerald: I didn't see your email address on the surname list with Sullivan. I am adding same for you and will upload the new page shortly. Denise

In a message dated 12/23/2006 3:19:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear webmaster, All of the links I have tried on the Surname List bring up an error message. I an interested in Masterson in Cavan [email protected] Thamk You !!! Joan ---------- Joan: Not sure why you are getting error messages. By clicking on the email address of the person researching the surname you have chosen, should then open an email with the subject line of the surname located in County Cavan. I don't know what kind of error message you would be getting. Then if the person you are sending the email message to no longer has that address, then you should receive a mailer daemon message back that the address is no longer viable for some reason. That is why I am sweeping the surname list, to remove addresses that no longer work. It's a long list and it takes quite some time to sweep the list. I am on AOL and AOL decides that you are spamming people when you try to send emails to too many addresses at one time. Then they turn off your account. Consequently, the sweep takes a while to get complete. Thanks. Denise

I personally was not offended by the intervention of our list administrator, Denise. I appreciated her explanation of how to check our names of interest on the list, and also how to send corrections to her. Both URLs were included in her message and it took only a few minutes for me to check my names and submit my corrections. Tamy in Nevada, USA ------------------ Thanks, Tamy. Denise

James, I don't know what link you are clicking on, but if you want to submit your Surnames to the list, email Denise (Webmaster) at [email protected] Regards Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "James O'Connor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Surname List > Dear webmaster, > > All of the links I have tried on the Surname List bring up an error > message. I an interested in Masterson in Cavan [email protected] > Thamk You !!! Joan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The following entries are from the 1821 Census. Lds Fim number 0597155 Townland of Lishenry Parish of Denn Barony of Castlerahan Unless otherwise stated all houses are one storey. House Number 1 Patt Farrill - Head - Age 30 Margaret - Farrill - His Wife - Age 24 Bridget Farrill - His Daughter - Age 1 Luke McDaniel - Age 14 - Labourer Servant Edward McCabe - Age 13 - Labourer Servant Judith McCabe - Age 18 - Flax Spinner House Number 2 Edward Brady - Head - Age 36 - Farmer Catherine Brady - His Wife - Age 21 Bernard Brady - His Son - Age 13 - Labourer Servant Bridget McAteer - Age 20 - Flax Spinner House Number 3 Owen Smith - Head - Age 50 - Farmer Bridget Smith - His Wife - Age 40 Mary Smith - His Daughter - Age 18 - Flax Spinner Daniel? Smith - His Son - Age 12 Rose Smith - His Daughter - Age 6 Bridget Smith - His Daughter - Age 12 - Herd Girl James Smith - His Son - Age 3 Patt Cummings - Age 24 - Labourer Servant House Number 4 Ann Smith - Head - Age 40 - Widow Peter Smith - Her Son - Age 22 - Labourer Servant Ellen Smith - Her Daughter - Age 10 Ann Smith - Her Daughter - Age 8 Thomas Smith - Her Son - Age 6 House Number 5 James Cummings - Head - Age 26 - Farmer Catherine Cummings - His Wife - Age 26 James Cummings - His Son - Age 1 Catherine Cummings - His Sister - Age 18 - Spinner Andrew Boyland - Age 15 - Herd boy Ann Monahan - Age 40 - Flax Spinner House Number 6 Charles Smith - Head - Age 70 Patt Smith - His Son - Age 30 - Weaver House Number 7 John Phillips - Head - Age 40 Catherine Phillips - His Wife - Age 38 Ann Phillips - His Daughter - Age 14 - Flax Spinner Frank Phillips - His Son - Age 12 Thomas Phillips - His Son - Age 9 Owen Phillips - His Son - Age 6 Judith Phillips - His Daughter - Age 1 House Number 8 Peter McDaniel - Head - Age 50 - Labourer Rose McDaniel - His Wife - Age 40 Catherine McDaniel - His Daughter - Age 17 - Flax Spinner House Number 9 Ann McDaniel - Head - Age 36 Bryan McDaniel - Her Father - Age 70 Margaret McDaniel - Her Daughter - Age 10 Bridget McDaniel - Her Daughter - Age 9 House Number 10 Robert Pile - Head - Age 25 - Farmer Jane Pile - His Sister - Age 10 House Number 11 Mary Lee? - Head - Age 30 Agnes Lee ?- Her Daughter - Age 2 House Number 12 Bridget Sheridan - Head - Age 30 - Farmer Phillip Sheridan - Her Son - Age 17 - Labourer Patt Sheridan - Her Son - Age 12 Bryan Sheridan - Her Son - Age 10 Ellen Sheridan - Her Daughter - Age 5 Michael Sheridan - Her Son - Age 3 House Number 13 James Geherty - Head - Age 40 - Farmer Mary Geherty - His Wife - Age 30 Catherine Geherty - His Daughter - Age 20 - Spinner Terence Geherty - His Son - Age 17 - Labourer Margaret Geherty - His Daughter - 10 House Number 14 Patt Clerkin - Head - Age 35 - Farmer Ann Clerkin - His Wife - Age 39 Patt Clerkin - His Son - Age 13 Bridget Clerkin - His Daughter - Age 12 James Clerkin - His Son - Age 9 Margaret Clerkin - His Daughter - Age 8 Thomas Clerkin - His Son - Age 7 Phillip Clerkin - His Son - Age 6 Mathew Clerkin - His Son - Age 4 John Clerkin - His Son - Age 2 House Number 15 Patt Smith - Head - Age 60 - Farmer & Blacksmith Catherine Smith - His Wife - Age 50 Patt Geherty - Age 15 - Labourer Servant Peter Magiveney - Age 20 - Labourer Servant Ann Reily - Age 18 - Flax Spinner House Number 16 Phillip Reilly - Head - Age 20 Alice Reilly - His Wife - Age 20 Margaret Reilly - His Daughter - Age 4

The following entries are from the 1821 Census. Lds Fim number 0597155 Townland of Cornagrow Parish of Denn Barony of Upper Loughtree Unless otherwise stated all houses are one storey. House Number 1 James Hawthorn - Head - Age 30 - Farmer Jane Hawthorn - His Wife - Age 27 Ester Hawthorn - His Daughter - Age 6 Ann Hawthorn - His Daughter - Age 2 Jane Hawthorn - His Daughter - Age 1 Margaret Smith - Age 20 - Flax Spinner Patt Culwan? - Age 20 - Labourer Servant House Number 2 Wm Biars?? - Age 25 - Framer Daniel Naval - Age 20 - Labourer Servant Ellen Hackler - Age 20 - Flax Spinner Nelly Maguire - Age 12 - Herd Girl House Number 3 James McDaniel - Head - Age 26 - Labourer Bridget McDaniel - His Wife - Age 24 Mary Reily - His Mother in law - Age 60 House Number 4 Thomas Tilson - Head - Age 25 - Farmer Elizabeth Tilson - His Wife - Age 20 - Spinner Peter Smith - Age 20 - Labourer Servant House Number 5 David Biar? - Head - Age 24 - Farmer Elizabeth Biar ? - His Wife - Age 25 Alex Biar? - His Son - Age 1 Sally Johnson - Age 25 - Flax Spinner Michael McDaniel - Age 28 - Labourer Servant House Number 6 James McDaniel - Head - Age 28 - Farmer Mary McDaniel - His Wife - Age 20 Bridget McDaniel - His Daughter - Age 1 House Number 7 Mary Sheridan - Head - Age 50 - Widow - Farmer Patt Sheridan - Her Son - Age 23 Labourer John Sheridan - Her Son - Age 21 - Weaver Rose Sheridan - Her Daughter - Age 10 Catherine Sheridan - Her Daughter - Age 12 Margaret Sheriden - Her Daughter - Age 8 House Number 8 Nobby La_ckey? - Head - Age 28 - Widower - Farmer James - His Son - Age 2 House Number 9 Edward McDaniel - Head - Age 30 - Farmer Bridget McDaniel - His Wife - Age 30 Catherine McDaniel - His Sister - Age 17 House Number 10 Patt Tierney - Head - Age 50 - Farmer Lotty Tierney - His Wife - Age 50 Mary Tierney - His Daughter - Age 16 - Spinner House Number 11 Mary Quin - Head - Age 48 House Number 12 Patt McDaniel - Head - Age 30 - Farmer Ellen McDaniel - His Wife - Age - 30 John McDaniel - His Son - Age 2 House Number 13 Thomas Smith - Head - Age 60 Winny Smith - His Wife - Age 50 Dolly Smith - His Daughter - Age 40 - Spinner Ann Smith - His Daughter - Age 20 - Spinner Ellen Smith - His Daughter - Age 15 - Spinner Mary Smith - His Daughter - Age 12 - Spinner House Number 14 Bartly McCahill - Head - Age 40 - Farmer Judith McCahill - His Wife - Age 30 House Number 15 Terence McCahill - Head - Age 40 - Farmer Catherine McCahill - His Wife - Age 40 House Number 16 Peter Tierney - Head - Age 50 Margaret Tierney - His Wife - Age 40 John Tierney - His Son - Age 6 House Number 17 John McDaniel - Head - Age 60 Mary McDaniel - His Wife - Age 60 Mary McDaniel - His Daughter - Age 30 Bryan McDaniel - His Son - Age 12 House Number 18 Owen Magiveney - Head - Age 50 Margaret Magiveney - His Wife - Age 46 Hugh Magiveney - His Son - Age 12 James Magiveney - His Son - Age 10 Phillip Magiveney - His son - Age 8 Mary Magiveney - His Daughter - Age 6 House Number 19 Patt Lynch - Head - Age 40 Margaret Lynch - His Wife - Age 38 No Number 20 listed House Number 21 Michael Calahan - Head - Age 45 - Farmer Mary Calahan - His Wife - Age 40 Mathew Calahan - His Son - Age 12 Rose Calahan - His Daughter - Age 14 - Flax Spinner Owen Calahan - His Son - Age 10 James Calahan - His Son - Age 8 Ellen Calahan - His Daughter - Age 6 Judith Calahan - His Daughter - Age 4 Nobby Calahan - His Son - Age 1

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Dear Nancy, Thank you for bringing this point up. I am getting to the point of just deleting most of my digest messages because I have to keep reading the same things (including the rants) over and over and over again. I don't know anymore where the new messages are. Now after all this I am scared to ask a question. I guess it is a good thing that no one is ever looking for the same names as me. Pauline Leonard Waterloo, Ontario, Canada snip> I'm on another >list where the owner is having fits because people respond to the digest, >and it then includes Alllll the emails in the digest and is a nightmare to >try to sort through to find the next new message. People keep doing it >because they obviously don't understand how to eliminate the clutter, so >they needed someone to explain to them how to stop and exactly how the >problem was occurring. In my experience on lists when people continue to >be >"bad," it is most likely because they don't understand what they are doing >wrong. > >Nancy