Maybe your family memory of "Cavan" is not referring to Co. Cavan but to some other Cavan Townland in some other county. My family memories of "Cavan" turned out to mean Cavan Townland in Co. Armagh! Karen HART Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hudsons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Searching for Wiggins >I am trying to research the surname Wiggins from Cavan. Everytime I enter >a search I get nothing. > I am looking for Joshua Wiggins who I am told was born in Cavan in about > 1836. He came to Australia about 1859. He married Mary Fleming, also from > Ireland. > > His father was Samuel Wiggins. > Does anyone know anything about the surname Wiggins at all? > > Thanks, > Joy Hudson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We've been to Cavan Town three times and stayed in 3 different B&B's. They were all three great - very comfortable, reasonably priced and within walking distance to town and the library and Heritage Centre, and the host/hostess were warm and friendly. If accomodations are Bord Failte approved (Irish Tourist Board), you can't go wrong. (http://www.townandcountry.ie is one site you might want to check.) You also might want to post an inquiry to the following website. You'll get a lot of good recommendations from those who have been there. Be sure to include where in Co. Cavan you will be going, so they can be more specific in their recommendations. [email protected] Tamy

I bought Cavan glass at a glass factory in Cavan when I was there. It was lovely. Nancy

I am trying to research the surname Wiggins from Cavan. Everytime I enter a search I get nothing. I am looking for Joshua Wiggins who I am told was born in Cavan in about 1836. He came to Australia about 1859. He married Mary Fleming, also from Ireland. His father was Samuel Wiggins. Does anyone know anything about the surname Wiggins at all? Thanks, Joy Hudson

I am trying to figure out a surname that my father read in a Catholic Church record book. John McKeon married Mary Ann Cullivan on 29 Jan 1880 in the Parish of Annagelliff in County Cavan. His parents names in handwritten Latin read something like this: Felicis McKeon and Ellen Rverldo, of Larah. Would anyone here recognize a Cavan surname similar to Rverldo? I looked at all the Surnames in Griffiths in Larah, Cavan, but don't see anything that might fit. http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/cavan/larah.htm The only other Larah name in the record is for the male witness named Michael McGinney. Thanks, Susan Daily

Does anyone know anything of Clann Goffrey? as in: 113. Charles, lord of Lower Brefney: son of Annadh; was killed at the battle of Moysleaghta, A.D. 1256; had a brother named Farrell Reilly, who was the ancestor of "Clann Goffrey." http://www.araltas.com/features/reilly/ -- Cheers, Colin Ferguson

Dear Dave, I do have a Mary Porter married Thomas Shannon in the early 1900's but although I know a lot about the Thomas Shannon and his mother who also came from Cty.Cavan named Kate McGovern, I have not had the chance to begin On the Porter name yet. I have never been able to find my own ggrandparents in Ireland, even though they came >From County Cavan also. I do remember visiting Tom and Mary in Dowling Street, Sydney when was a child. Many thanks for your URL's which I will investigate. Sincerely,Shirley Parker (Australia) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Ingram Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 4:59 PM To: Roots CAVAN Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Re Porter,Magill/McGill families Co Cavan to Manvers Twp There are 45 Porter and 459 Magill/McGill individuals recorded in my family tree, descendants of those who immigrated from County Cavan and first settled in Manvers Twp. in the early 1800s. I would be happy to share information with anyone connected to them or related families shown in the searchable surname database of my Genealogy Webpages. Dave Ingram My Genealogy Webpages:.......UPDATED: 21 JANUARY 2007 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=713 http://www.gencircles.com/users/daveingram ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT TELFORD To: Jim Telford ; Darlene Bochert Cc: TELFORD Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: TELFORD/ QUAIL (QUEALE) Clarendon Cty Quebec Dear Darlene and Jim, Both of you have enquired of the ancestry and family of this couple. Frankly, little is known. I began tracking when I learned that my 2ggf, b 1800, began his family in Quebec. Later I found my James TELFORD was b in Cumberland, England, descended from the Bewcastle TELFORDs, and served in the British Army at Quebec City. He married Mary Ann NUGENT, b 1804, Ireland. Susan QUAIL, w/o James TRELFORD, died 04 Oct 1870 at age 66. She was a native of County Leitrim. She was buried at Shawville Village Cemetery, grave 754. George, s/o Susan and James died 01 Feb 1873, age 44--buried grave 755 Frances [TRELFORD] HORNER died 22 Sept 1901 , age 67- buried grave 757 FRANCES is BELIEVED SUSAN's sister? ( Frances QUEALE also Wm Wallace's mom) Frances was b Ireland ( Leitrim?) [ 1806-1883], m Matthew, father of William. Ralph HORNER died 13 Oct 1873, age 49; their son, Thomas WALKER(?) died 29 June 1871, at age 5 mos. Also buried in grave 757. James HORNER s/o Ralph and Frances died 21 Jan 1881 at age 28.--buried grave 756 James TELFORD [TRELFORD], his supposed son James, and young James' wife are not buried in SVC. Susan TELFORD, James' youngest dtr, b 02 Dec 1846, d 16 Nov 1923 is buried in St John's Anglican Moorehead, Pontiac, TELFORD RD with her husband William WALLACE. Many WALLACEs and QUEALEs here. James TELFORD emigrated about 1844 to Pontiac County. All children except Susan were b IRL. The records for young James are sketchy. After Jane TRELFORD died [ NO RECORDED RELATION WITH THE KENNEDYs!!!!], George and his family left Cty Cavan. George died in 1844 and James and Robin McDOWELL ( husband of Mary TELFORD) were the witnesses. This would lead one to believe that James was a close relative---perhaps a son of George-- but I have not seen any Cavan Census or Parish Records. In the 1851 Pontiac Census, James is listed as a farmer and storekeeper, b abt 1801. He has a wife, Susan ( age 40), 4 sons ( no James), and a dtr Susan. Further in the Census, James TULFORD? (TELFORD) age 36, a laborer is shown living on farm Range 6, lot 22. James Sr, we believe, purchased: R 6/ Lot 22- 200 acres- 1851; R6 / Lot 27 - 200 acres- 1851. He purchased additional land in 1859 and 1868. On 23 July 1885, young James married Margaret Corrigan. Their 1st child JAMES was b31 July 1860. They had a good size family. On 01 Feb 1873, Susan Quail passed away. On 22 Feb 1878, Register # 456 Parish of Clarendon. James TELFORD, widower of Susan was buried. ( where ?) Present were Wm Wallace, husband of Susan TELFORD WALLACE and Thomas TUBMAN, husband of Lillian TELFORD, dtr of George TELFORD, 1st son of George of Kilmore. I am surprised that no mention is made of son James---if he is the son!!! CHECK the PARISH RECORDS! The patriarch of the family was George ( c1745-1833). His younger brother was William ( c1761-c1826) They and several sons are buried at Ballymachugh. George and William supposedly emigrated from Kelso Scotland. Their father was John TELFORD. Hope this is of some help. Robert Telford

The following is the complete transcription of the "Death of Lord Lisgar." I apologize for the "incomplete" typing job I recently submitted; don't know where my head was that day. CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, October 13, 1876 (Correction) DEATH OF LORD LISGAR. On Friday last, the sixth of October, the Right Hon. Sir John YOUNG, Baron LISGAR, died at Bailieborough Castle, Bailieborough, having reached the age of sixty-nine years. We are sure this announcement will be received with very deep regret by an attached and prosperous tenantry, as well as by a wide circle of personal friends. The deceased Baron was the eldest son of the late Sir W. Young, Bart, by Lucy (?), youngest daughter of Colonel Charles Frederick, and was born August 31st, 1807. He was educated at Corpus Christi College, Oxford, where he graduated as BA., in 1829; and was called to the Bar, in 1834. He early entered upon political life; and from 1831 to 1855 represented the County of Cavan in the House of Commons. He was appointed a Lord of the Treasury in the administration of Sir Robert Peel, on the accession of that statesman to power in 1841; and in 1844 he was appointed Secretary to the Treasury, which office he held until the resignation of the Ministry in 1846. He was appointed Chief Secretary for Ireland in December, 1852, when Lord Aberdeen became Prime Minister; and continued to hold that office until March, 1855, when he was appointed Lord High Commissioner of the Ionian Islands, in February, 1858 he retired from that post; and in 1860 was appointed Governor of New South Wales, which he held until 1867. In 1868 he was appointed Governor-General of Canada; on retiring from that office in 1872 he returned home, was raised to the English Peerage, and appointed Lord Lieutenant of the County Cavan. It will thus be seen that during the greater part of his public life he held distinguished office of one kind or another under Her Majesty; and we believe also with credit to himself and advantage to the Crown. When the deceased Baron first essayed political life, it was as a Conservative; as such he accepted office in the Ministry of 1841; but when Sir Robert Peel adopted the principles of Free Trade, he, like Mr. Gladstone and other rising statesmen of the time, became a Peelite; and afterwards gradually diverged nearer and nearer to the Liberal party in politics. Whatever may have been the merit of certain portions of Sir Robert Peel's Free Trade policy, we cannot approve of that sudden change of opinion and policy on his part which amounted to political apostacy, and which involved the temporary ruin of the party of which he was the leader. No more can we approve of the later political life of the deceased Baron; but we shall not dwell on this part of the subject now. It affords us much pleasure, however, to turn to another part of Lord Lisgar's character and history. He was one of the best landlords in Ireland. He encouraged and promoted the prosperity of Bailieborough, near to which town he resided, by granting building leases for a long term of years, at about one shilling a foot frontage, although the depth from front to rere (sic) in each case was very considerable. He also accommodated the inhabitants with town-parks on most liberal terms. As the result of this wise and generous policy Bailieborough is now a prosperous business town with every necessary accommodation; we believe there is only one thatched house in the whole of it, the houses being generally three stories high and all slated. In short it is a credit to the estate and to the county. Nor ____ we omit to mention the active part which he took in securing for Bailieborough one of the Model Schools under the National Board. Whatever difference of opinion there may be as to the National System of Education itself, it is generally admitted that the Model Schools constitute one of its best features; and we believe the Bailieborough Model School is one of the best in Ireland. It is the only one in this county; in many instances youths have been sent to it from other counties for their education; and its pupils have frequently carried off prizes from other competitors in many departments. In the establishment and progress of this school the late Baron always took a deep and anxious interest. As we have already intimated, during the greater part of his public life be held distinguished office under the Crown and as a member of successive Governments. Those were the days of patronage, before the reign of useful and useless cramming and of competitive examination had been inaugurated. In the exercise of his patronage, the inhabitants of this county were never either forgotten or overlooked; and during the time he filled the office of Governor in several of the Colonies, he was always glad to recognize and welcome any person belonging to the county, whom accident or purpose brought under his notice. This cannot be said of all public men. To be lavish of smiles, bows, and promises during the progress of a contest election, and then upon the morrow to become suddenly and completely oblivious of those whose support was so eagerly and obsequiously courted the day before, is not a rare phenomenon in political life. But it was not so with the deceased nobleman. He was kind in disposition, courteous in manner, charitable in the use of the wealth entrusted to him; and to all his other virtues there was added the charming grace of a genuine and unaffected humility. We have already alluded to the generous fostering care which he extended to the town of Bailieborough. In this respect his conduct presents an admirable contrast to that of many other landlords who, when they cannot prevent the prosperity and growth of a town upon their estate regard it with envy and dislike; or else do all in their power to discourage the towns and blot them out of existence. We cannot but consider this mistaken policy. The natural growth of towns and the legitimate extension of manufacturing industry, should promote the general prosperity of the country and benefit all classes without distinction. But Lord Lisgar was just as generous and considerate towards his agricultural tenants as he was to the inhabitants of the town of Bailieborough. His death is now sincerely lamented; and his loss will be long and keenly felt. We are of opinion that the inhabitants of Bailieborough especially, should do something to give permanent expression to their attachment to him while living, and to their respect for his memory, now that he is no more. It was during the time he was a member of the late Sir Robert Peel's administration that the Queen's Colleges were founded. We believe that was one of the greatest boons ever conferred on Ireland by the Imperial Government. And if the Inhabitants of Bailieborough and the late Lord Lisgar's tenantry generally, now provided the means to found a scholarship in connection with the Queen's University, it would be an appropriate tribute of respect to the memory of their generous and beloved landlord. The remains of the deceased nobleman were interred at Bailieborough Church on Wednesday last. He is succeeded in the estates and Baronetcy by his nephew, WILLIAM NEED MUSTON YOUNG, who was born at Calcutta in 1847. (Cavan County Newspaper Transcription Project.)

There are 45 Porter and 459 Magill/McGill individuals recorded in my family tree, descendants of those who immigrated from County Cavan and first settled in Manvers Twp. in the early 1800s. I would be happy to share information with anyone connected to them or related families shown in the searchable surname database of my Genealogy Webpages. Dave Ingram My Genealogy Webpages:.......UPDATED: 21 JANUARY 2007 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=713 http://www.gencircles.com/users/daveingram

While I was in Salt Lake at the Family History Library, I went through the index for the Irish Civil Registrations and wrote down any mention of the name Cullivan (a County Cavan name) and any mention of the name Hughes in Cavan PLU. The Irish Civil Registrations of Death list the quarter and year that the death was recorded (not necessarily when it occurred) the name of the person who died, their age, the PLU where they died, the volume and page number. If you wish to order a death certificate, provide the info below and one can be sent to you for a cheaper rate, since the research was already done. Info on ordering can be found here: http://www.groireland.ie/ In the list below, I used the following abbreviations for the PLUs as follows: B - Bailieborough, C- Cavan, H - Cootehill. Q1 is Jan Quarter, Q2 is Jun Q, Q3 is Sep Q, and Q4 is Dec Q. Deaths 1883-1916 [See below for 1864-1870] Q1 1883 Cullivan Catherine 70 C v3 p73 Q1 1883 Cullivan Cathrine 34 C v3 p95 Q2 1883 Cullivan Anne 65 C v3 p101 Q3 1884 Cullivan Patrick 60 C v3 p57 Q4 1884 Hughes John 85 C v3 p50 Q2 1885 Hughes Ann 23 C v3 p59 Q4 1885 Cullivan Patrick 12 H v3 p94 Q1 1886 Cullivan James 0 C v3 p85 Q1 1886 Cullivan Patrick 2 Belfast v1 p274 Q1 1888 Cullivan Francis 5 H v3 p146 Q1 1888 Cullivan Patrick 0 C v3 p80 Q1 1888 Cullivan Thomas 3 H v3 p146 Q1 1890 Cullivan Margaret 74 C v3 p84 Q2 1890 Hughes Margaret 55 C v3 p69 Q3 1890 Cullivan George 30 C v3 p61 Q4 1890 Cullivan Mary 60 Cashel v3 p273 Q4 1890 Hughes John 82 C v3 p44 Q2 1891 Hughes Mary 54 C v3 p71 Q2 1891 Hughes Agnes 60 C v3 p58 Q4 1892 Cullivan Mary Ann 65 C v3 p59 Q2 1894 Cullivan Thomas 60 Armagh v1 p21 Q4 1894 Cullivan Lydia 72 Oldcastle v3 p191 Q1 1895 Cullivan Anne 66 H v3 p102 Q1 1895 Hughes James 18 C v3 p65 Q3 1895 Hughes Henry 76 C v3 p43 Q1 1896 Cullivan Mary Anne 22 C v3 p51 (p?1) Q2 1896 Cullivan Thomas 65 C v3 p64 Q4 1896 Cullivan James 72 C v3 p61 Q1 1897 Cullivan Thomas 81 H v3 p112 Q2 1897 Hughes Peter 70 C v3 p74 Q1 1898 Cullivan Catherine 1 B v2 p281 Q4 1898 Cullivan Margaret 71 C v3 p49 Q2 1899 Cullivan Anne 7 C v3 p63 Q4 1899 Cullivan Susan 30 Belfast v1 p205 Q1 1900 Cullivan Andrew 44 H v3 p133 Q1 1900 Hughes Margaret 75 C v3 p85 Q3 1900 Hughes Maggie 22 C v3 p48 Q4 1900 Cullivan Bridget 41 H v3 p87 Q4 1900 Cullivan Thomas 82 B v2 p251 Q2 1901 Cullivan Anne 60 C v3 p70 Q2 1901 Cullivan James 24 H v3 p99 Q2 1901 Cullivan Michael 98 Castleblayney v1 p383 Q4 1901 Hughes Sarah Ann 0 C v3 p32 Q1 1902 Hughes Henry 19 C v3 p49 Q1 1902 Hughes Patrick 35 C v3 p43 Q4 1903 Cullivan Mary 56 C v3 p61 Q2 1904 Hughes James 57 C v3 p63 Q2 1904 Hughes Thomas 0 C v3 p50 Q1 1906 Cullivan William 88 C v3 p66 Q4 1906 Cullovin Catherine 80 C v3 p51 Q1 1907 Cullivan James 45 C v3 p75 Q2 1907 Cullivan Patrick 69 C v3 p65 Q3 1907 Hughes Elizabeth 64 C v3 p47 Q2 1908 Hughes Richard 12 C v3 p52 Q3 1908 Hughes Patrick 33 C v3 p50 Q4 1908 Cullivan Mary -- C v3 p63 Q4 1908 Hughes Mary 71 C v3 p45 Q1 1909 Hughes Bridget 79 C v3 p63 Q4 1909 Cullivan Owen 38 B v2 p237 Q4 1909 Hughes Thomas 59 C v3 p51 Q1 1910 Cullivan Michael 78 C v3 p59 Q2 1910 Cullivan John 74 C v3 p57 Q3 1910 Cullivan Philip 72 C v3 p45 Q3 1910 Hughes Joseph 36 C v3 p41 Q4 1910 Cullivan Anne 69 H v3 p96 [I stopped writing down Hughes here] Q1 1911 Cullivan Margaret 79 B v2 p286 Q3 1911 Cullivan Bridget 48 Belfast v1 p299 Q3 1911 Cullivan Susan 68 H v3 p82 Q4 1911 Cullivan Anne 35 C v3 p60 Q2 1913 Cullivan Anne 68 C v3 p65 Q3 1913 Cullivan Bridget 72 B v2 p372 Q3 1913 Cullivan Philip 16 B v2 p242 [Stopped after Q4 1916] Births 1865 Cullivan Bridget C v13 p92 1865 Cullivan Margaret C v3 p127 [vol 3 not 13] 1865 Cullivan Patrick C v13 p127 1865 Cullivin Mary Castleblayney v11 p417 1865 Hughes Patrick C v8 p135 1866 Hughes Bridget C v3 p98 [Stopped searching for Cullivan & Hughes at 1867] Deaths - Full Records [No need to order certs] 1864-1870 1864 Aug 12 Cullivin James 4 Castleblayney v11 p239 Castleblayney M(ale) Bach(elor) Son of Michael Cullivin, Small Pox 10 days, Bridget Cullivin X present at death (her X mark) 1864 Dec 21 Hughes Catherine 65 C v18 p53 Drumwry F(emale) M(arried) Farmer, Bronchitis 5 yrs, James Hughes son present at death 1864 Dec 26 Hughes John 27 C v18 p53 Drumwry M Bach Farmer, "Uncertified 12 months", James Hughes brother present at death 1865 Dec 22 Hughes Mary Jane 30 C v18 p63 Belturbel? F M Carpenter's wife, Enlarged liver 6 wks, Henry Hughes present 1866 Nov 8 Hughes Matty 65 C v18 p41 Drumrusk F W(idowed) Farmer, Jaundice 6 mos, Catherine Hughes present 1867 Jan 31 Hughes Mary 60 C v3 p92 Cavan Workhouse F W Servant, Bronchitis 3 mos, Ralph Mulligan Chief Resident Officer Cavan Union Workhouse 1869 Jul 30 Cullivan Catherine 70 C v13 p52 Ballyhaise F "M" "Widow of a farmer", Bronchitis 30 days, Pat Cullivan X occupier Transcriptions by Susan Daily

Kindly ignore the my last message. Fat fingers added [email protected] to a message intended only for my cousin. Apologies, PJL

I believe that my ancestor, Samuel HART, lived in Cavan Township, Kilmore Parish, Co. Armagh. He was born ca. 1815 and he married Rebecca Kelly of Co. Armagh in Clare Presbyterian Church on March 15, 1840 (or perhaps February 2, 1840). Soon after, they emigrated to Canada. Can anyone give me some help -- I would like to find out who owned the land on which he was a tenant. (I'm assuming he was a tenant.) There was a James Hart I've seen on lists - he was a publican which I believe was a pub owner or manager. I don't know what his relation to Samuel Hart could be, or even if there was a relationship. And I would like to learn Samuel Hart's parents' names, and his grandparents, and any information about siblings he might have had. Could anyone give me some ideas of where to look? Thank you all for any assistance you can provide. Karen Hart Anthony Maine, USA

CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, November 10, 1876 BIRTH. Clements - Nov. 6, at 51, Pembroke-street, Dublin, the wife of Colonel Clements, of Ashfield Lodge, Cootehill, of a son. MARRIAGE. PATTERSON and MOORE - November 7th, at Bailieboro Church, by the Rev. A. T. GILMORE, L.L.D., assisted by the Rev. J. W. TAYLOR, L.L.B., Andrew, fourth son of Robert Patterson, Glenann, Co. Amach, to Lizzie, third daughter of George Moore, Bailieboro. DEATH. M'CHLEARY - Nov. 6th at Farnham, Cavan, Mr. John M'Chleary, aged 66 years. DEATH OF MR. JOHN M'CHLEARY. It will be seen by our obituary, that Mr. John M'CHLEARY the esteemed and respected Steward of Farnham, died at his residence there, on the 6th inst. His remains were on Tuesday laid in their last resting place in Kilgore; and the esteem in which he was held by all classes was amply testified by the unusually large and respectable cortege that followed his remains. Devotional exercises were engaged in at the grave, and a solemn and impressive address delivered by Rev. James CARSON, who had been his minister for twenty-five years; and who then bore the highest testimony to his worth, as a man and a Christian, and regretted his loss to himself as a sincere and constant friend, and to the Church as an influential and consistent member. After the Rev. Mr. Carson had concluded the solemn service, Lord Farnham read from a paper the following gratifying testimony to the worth of our departed friend, announcing his intention to place the words on a Tablet to be erected by him to his memory over his grave. "Among his last words was his expressed 'trust in Christ, as the Author and finisher of his faith.'" He was for 31 years Land Steward at Farnham. Ever firm in his faithfulness to his employers, he was affectionately esteemed by them; and gentle and considerate towards those under him, and tenderly regardful of their well-being and comfort, he earned their confidence and will long live in their grateful recollection. SUDDEN DEATH IN ATHLONE BARRACKS. - On Friday afternoon, a pensioner named John BROWN, aged 43, went in with the recruiting sergeant of the Roscommon Militia to the military hospital, Athlone Barracks, to be examined by Surgeon-Major HEATH, of the 88th Connaught Rangers, as to his fitness to join the militia. The medical examination had just concluded when deceased fell upon the surgery room floor and instantly expired, of, it is supposed, heart disease. A strange incident occurred which may have tended to the fatal occurrence. Deceased was joining the militia, and was supposed to be a civilian; but subsequently a discharge was found upon his person certifying that he formerly belonged to the 58th Regiment, and that he was granted sixpence per diem for a limited period. On turning round after being examined, he accosted an hospital assistant who belonged to his former regiment. The enterprise, it is surmised, may have had an injurious effect upon him. UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE. - At the recent "Little-go" Examination, Messrs. Charles and Robert MEESE were placed in the second rank for distinguished answering. At the last examination for Classical Honors in the Senior freshman Class, Mr. C. Meese obtained 8th of the first rank, and Mr. R. Meese, 1st of the second rank. We are happy to chronicle the latest successes of these two gentlemen, the first named of whom enjoys a Royal Scholarship. They were educated at Cavan Royal School. BAILIEBORO PARISH CHURCH. At a meeting of the Select Vestry held in Bailieborough Church on Monday evening, the 6th inst. - Rev. A. T. GILLMOR, LL.D. in the Chair. Present - Rev. J. W. TAYLOR, LL.B., Thomas CHAMBERS, Esq., W. W. B. FAUSSETT, Esq., Messrs. John ARMSTRONG, Wm. MAHOOD, Isaac DAVIDSON, Joseph MORROW, Henry KIRKLAND, Anthony S. HIGGINS, and George MOORE. On the motion of Dr. Gillmor, seconded by Mr. Chambers, and carried unanimously, it was resolved, - "That this General Vestry representing the members of the Irish Church of the Bailieborough Parish, and the Select Vestry in session, since the lamented death of the Lord Lisgar, express their sense of the deep respect for the memory of Lord Lisgar, and the loss that will be experienced, not only to this Parish and Church and to the British State by his death, this Vestry regards Lord Lisgar as an illustrious and distinguished Irishman, invested with high trust and Governmental commands to his sovereign, and always with credit to himself and Royal approval. The Vestry begs to have a copy of this resolution as entered on the minutes of the Register, conveyed to Lady Lisgar, accompanied with the sympathy and condolence of all the members, and prayer that the God of Grace and consolation may alleviate her heavy trial." Thos. Chambers, Esq., being appointed Church-warden, W. W. B. Faussett, Esq., was next proposed and appointed Sidesman. Mr. Chambers next moved - "That Mr. Edward KELLETT be appointed to the vacant offices of Parochial Nomination and Synodsman, in place of Lord Lisgar." The motion was carried unanimously. (County Cavan Newspaper Transcription Project)

Padraig or Sean, Please except my apologies I don’t understand who it was from as I don’t speak (is it Irish or Gaelic) should be ashamed I know being Scottish but I am from Glasgow and don’t know if they ever spoke Gaelic. Thank you very much for forwarding this. It is as you say very beautiful but also so sad. Makes you wonder why we all worry about the most silly and stupid things. Very humbling Regards Sharon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin Sent: 20 January 2007 11:09 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN][IRL-CLARE] RTÉ broadcast series: Famine Echoes These are just beautiful, they make me feel very, very sad, though. Do you know of anyway, Pádraig, that one can edit the broadcasts to delete the non-famine segments? I'm cross-posting your email - with your assumed permission - to Cavan, Cork, Limerick, Co.Tipperary and Co.Galway, Ireland Lists. Just great! ***** Replies to the List Only, Please ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Casey To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: [IRL-CLARE] RTÉ broadcast series: Famine Echoes Those who are interested in the histories of their Clare families rather than the purely genealogical aspects may like to listen to the RTÉ broadcast series entitled Famine Echoes at http://www.rte.ie/radio1/famineechoes/1115374.html The accounts are very moving and help one understand the struggle for survival which so occupied the minds of our ancestors in the 19th century. They also help put many of our modern-day trials and tribulations into perspective. My thanks to Peter Beirne of the Local Studies Centre at the Clare County Library in Ennis for calling this valuable broadcast series to my attention. Pádraig (the Paddy that was) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My family is also very religious RC. But there are extremes to any religion. We all live and learn. Even my Grandmothers generation had a different attitude towards Sunday. Her Generation believed that Sunday was a day that was dedicated to God and Family. After Mass the only housework she would do would be to provide a Sunday Dinner. In modern life this is not possible (I wish). On your comments on the Mayflower, I am Scottish but live in South Yorkshire in a town called Bawtry it is a 13th Century port were the Pilgram Fathers left from. Our local school is called the Mayflower Primary School. We have pubs called Mayflower and lots of street named after the pilgrim fathers) I am not very good at English History being brought up in Glasgow but my kids know lots. 1 Mile from here is Austerfield where William Bradford (whom I believe to be a pilgrim father) or so all the signs on the road say was born. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimberley Walters Sent: 20 January 2007 14:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work You are correct in your distinction regarding "work." He could have FED his pigs on the Sabbath, as this would be necessary to care for his animals' well-being; he just could not do the work to "produce" the food for them on the Sabbath. Making hay while the sun shines would not have included planting or harvesting or threshing or storing on a Sabbath. My family has farmed for over 200 years, and though no one doing so today is strongly religious, if they were, I can tell you that if it were the Sabbath and a hailstorm was coming in, they would let the crop fall rather than desecrate the Sabbath. The belief would be that if we lose the crop, it is for one of three reasons: we were irresponsible and did not work hard enough prior to the storm.....we are meant to suffer for a time for our own good and growth.....God means to provide for our needs through some other means. Such lives of faith are usually mocked or misunderstood today. Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work Some thoughts: <What work was one not allowed to do on a Sunday? How can you be a farmer and not work on Sunday? > A good question!- For Roman Catholics, it means not sinning by doing unnecessary servile work on a Sunday. The key word is 'unnecessary. Protestants are similarly bound. <Most farmers of this day and age [1876?] did NOT farm on the Sabbath> Necessary servile work: Farmers had to 'make hay whilst the sun was shining'; Cows had to be milked, etc. In to-day's society, if one's job requires one to work on a Sunday, then so be it, or find another job. In the example of the farmer in the newspaper extract, he had all the time in the world to dig potatoes for his own use or for the pigs on a Saturday, provided that day was not his Sabbath. Guilty indeed! He got off light by being fined a half-crown plus costs. I bet he didn't do again! ***** Replies to the List Only, Please ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberley Walters To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work Most farmers of this day and age did NOT farm on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was their only day to rest, and it was a sacred duty to do so. Did you know that when the Mayflower arrived in America, the men on board had to scout out the surrounding area to determine the best location for setting up their "village." Even though freezing temperatures and inclement winter weather threatened to confine them on board the boat for the whole winter, they still took the Sabbath off to worship and rest, rather than continue searching on that day. People of this era took their religious observances very seriously. And literally. Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work What work was one not allowed to do on a Sunday? How can you be a farmer and not work on Sunday? Is there some place on the internet that discusses this further? Thanks, Kay! Susan On 1/18/07, Kay Stanton <[email protected]> wrote: > CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, October 20, 1876 > DESECRATION OF THE SABBATH. > Constable Feighery summoned James MAGUIRE for desecrating the Sabbath day by digging potatoes. > Defendant said he was only digging his dinner after coming from the chapel. > The Constable said defendant told him it was for pigs he was digging the potatoes. > Fined 2s. 6d. and costs. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Researching Porter families from Balladara, Munterconnaght, Cavan and Ballyjamesduff, County Cavan, Ireland. William Porter and Bridget Children: Joseph?, Matthew, Hugh, Ann, William, Mary, Elizabeth, Robert, James, Jane, Samuel & Joshua. Porters began immigrating to Canada about 1820 and settled in Manvers Township, Ontario, Canada. Joseph/Ann, Hugh/Lavina McGill, William/Margaret, Samuel/Phebe. One of the above William Porter b. 1807 in Ballyjamesduff, County Cavan, Ireland died before 1881 in Manvers Township, Durham County, Ontario. Married Margaret Marshall born 1811 County Cavan, Ireland died before 1881 in Manvers Township. Children: Charles Marshall b. 1826 Cavan died 1914 Manvers, William, b. 1833 d. 1909 Tara, Arran Twp. Ontario married Isabel Porter, Mary b. 1834, Hugh b. 1836, Martha Marie b. 1837 m. Thomas Rowe, Matthew b. 1840, David b. 1843 d. 1919 married Emily Thompson, Robert b. 1845, Joshua b. 1847, Anne Jane b. 1849, Joseph b.1850, Benjamin b. 1851 Any information on families, area or advice is always greatly appreciated. Deborah _________________________________________________________________ http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45&mkt=en-ca

CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, November 3, 1876 MARRIAGE. LESLIE and MASSY-BERESFORD - October 31, at Trinity Church, parish of Kinawley, by the very Rev. the Dean of Amagh, assisted by the Rev. Frederick HOGAN, Chaplain to the Earl of Erne, and the Rev. R. G. HOPE, Rector of Drung, Cecil Edward St. L. Leslie, son of the late Right Rev. Charles Leslie, Lord Bishop of Kilmore, to Emily Maria Louisa Massy-Beresford, daughter of the Very Rev. the Dean of Kilmore. We have much pleasure in observing the promotion of Surgeon S. Flood, Army Medical Department, to Surgeon-Major, as appeared in the London Gazette of the 27th ultimo. ADMISSION OF AN ATTORNEY. - On motion of Mr. BEWLEY, George Thomas CARMICHAEL, son of the late George Carmichael, Esq., Lower Dominick Street, in the city of Dublin, was ordered to be admitted as an Attorney, having passed all the examinations and attended the Lectures of the Schools of Law, in the University of Dublin and the Incorporated Law Society. FEARFUL MURDER IN QUEEN'S COUNTY. Clonasee, Monday. On Sunday evening a terrible crime was committed in this town. Edward SCULLY, a carpenter, residing here, has, it is alleged, killed his son by stabbing him either with a knife or chisel. On Sunday evening son brought into the father's house, where the (sic) both resided, some man to play cards with him. The father, having an objection to the game being played between his son and the visitor, ordered them to desist, and the result of an altercation was that the son and visitor left the house. After remaining out some time, during which the son drank in a public-house, he returned home. A row ensued between the father and son, which was speedily terminated by the latter being left a corpse on the ground from a stab inflicted by his parent. The unfortunate man was immediately placed under arrest, and the police from the surrounding stations apprised of the occurrence. The wound was inflicted in the upper portion of the thigh, and death resulted from the severing of an artery. As hitherto the prisoner and his deceased son bore an excellent character in the district, and lived on amicable terms together, the tragedy has caused a feeling of horror, mingled with commiseration, in the town and district. The deceased was unmarried, and 23 years of age. The prisoner is 56 years of age. On Monday an inquest was held at Clonasee on the body of James SCULLY, by Mr. William CLARKE, coroner, when, after some three hours' deliberation, the jury returned a verdict as follows:- "We find that the deceased, James Scully, came by his death at Clonasee, on Sunday, the 29th of October, 1876, from excessive hemorrhage, caused by a wound inflicted on him by his father, Edward Scully." At the conclusion of the inquest, the prisoner, who had for some time previously been in custody, was brought before Captain J. P. DUNNE, J.P. He seemed to be much affected and painfully conscious of the position in which he stood. He was committed for trial to the next assizes, and on last night lodged in the county prison at Maryborough. ADDRESS TO J. E. C. LAWLOR, ESQ., S.I., R.I.C. Dear Sir.- Having heard with much regret that Killeshandra has been discontinued as headquarters for the district, and that in consequence you have been transferred to Strabane, we feel that we ought not to allow you to leave us without tendering you our sincere good wishes. It is only justice to say that during the five years you were stationed in the County of Cavan, you have secured the friendship of many, and the esteem of all; for while you performed your duties fully and efficiently, you at the same time did so with prudence, judicious forbearance when necessary, and in a conciliatory manner. A few of your friends in Killeshandra and Belturbet districts, ask y our acceptance of the accompanying gift as a token of their appreciation of your worth, and as a memento of their regard, and with heartfelt desires for your future, welfare and happiness. We remain, &c., James HAMILTON, J.P., D.L. Geo. D. BERESFORD, M.P., D.L. J. T. DILLON, R. M. Ven. J. C. MARTIN, D.D., Archdeacon of Kilmore Albert HUTTON. Thos. JACKSON, M.A., Clk. J. C. MARTIN, M.A., Clk. E. M. MOORE, B.A., Clk. Thos. KNIPE, J.P. Geo. HEARN, M.D. R. F. O'BRIEN, J.P. Jas. KENNY, M.D. R. C. HAMILTON W. KENNY, M.B. Jas. M'FADDEN. J. KELLAGHER. J. A. FARIS. J. C. JONES. William MAGEE. James DUIGNAN. H. W. THOMSON, M.D. D. H. Crawford. Thos. BRADY. Patrick M'CAFFREY. Patrick FLOOD. Patrick BRADY. W. J. HAMILTON, Treasurer D. FINLAY, J.P., Secretary (County Caven Newspaper Transcription Project)

You are correct in your distinction regarding "work." He could have FED his pigs on the Sabbath, as this would be necessary to care for his animals' well-being; he just could not do the work to "produce" the food for them on the Sabbath. Making hay while the sun shines would not have included planting or harvesting or threshing or storing on a Sabbath. My family has farmed for over 200 years, and though no one doing so today is strongly religious, if they were, I can tell you that if it were the Sabbath and a hailstorm was coming in, they would let the crop fall rather than desecrate the Sabbath. The belief would be that if we lose the crop, it is for one of three reasons: we were irresponsible and did not work hard enough prior to the storm.....we are meant to suffer for a time for our own good and growth.....God means to provide for our needs through some other means. Such lives of faith are usually mocked or misunderstood today. Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work Some thoughts: <What work was one not allowed to do on a Sunday? How can you be a farmer and not work on Sunday? > A good question!- For Roman Catholics, it means not sinning by doing unnecessary servile work on a Sunday. The key word is 'unnecessary. Protestants are similarly bound. <Most farmers of this day and age [1876?] did NOT farm on the Sabbath> Necessary servile work: Farmers had to 'make hay whilst the sun was shining'; Cows had to be milked, etc. In to-day's society, if one's job requires one to work on a Sunday, then so be it, or find another job. In the example of the farmer in the newspaper extract, he had all the time in the world to dig potatoes for his own use or for the pigs on a Saturday, provided that day was not his Sabbath. Guilty indeed! He got off light by being fined a half-crown plus costs. I bet he didn't do again! ***** Replies to the List Only, Please ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberley Walters To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work Most farmers of this day and age did NOT farm on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was their only day to rest, and it was a sacred duty to do so. Did you know that when the Mayflower arrived in America, the men on board had to scout out the surrounding area to determine the best location for setting up their "village." Even though freezing temperatures and inclement winter weather threatened to confine them on board the boat for the whole winter, they still took the Sabbath off to worship and rest, rather than continue searching on that day. People of this era took their religious observances very seriously. And literally. Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work What work was one not allowed to do on a Sunday? How can you be a farmer and not work on Sunday? Is there some place on the internet that discusses this further? Thanks, Kay! Susan On 1/18/07, Kay Stanton <[email protected]> wrote: > CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, October 20, 1876 > DESECRATION OF THE SABBATH. > Constable Feighery summoned James MAGUIRE for desecrating the Sabbath day by digging potatoes. > Defendant said he was only digging his dinner after coming from the chapel. > The Constable said defendant told him it was for pigs he was digging the potatoes. > Fined 2s. 6d. and costs. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, Susan... I've forwarded your inquiry to Colin (who controls my transcriptions) as I am never able to answer the questions. I'm sure Colin will come back with something as will others on the list... It's my guess that you were only allowed to do "necessary" labor like feeding cattle, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Daily" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Cavan Weekly News - October 20, 1876 / Sunday work > What work was one not allowed to do on a Sunday? How can you be a > farmer and not work on Sunday? Is there some place on the internet > that discusses this further? > > Thanks, Kay! > Susan > > On 1/18/07, Kay Stanton <[email protected]> wrote: >> CAVAN WEEKLY NEWS, Friday, October 20, 1876 >> DESECRATION OF THE SABBATH. >> Constable Feighery summoned James MAGUIRE for desecrating the >> Sabbath day by digging potatoes. >> Defendant said he was only digging his dinner after coming from the >> chapel. >> The Constable said defendant told him it was for pigs he was digging >> the potatoes. >> Fined 2s. 6d. and costs. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >