Hi Jane, As much as I would like to, I don't come to Dunedin very often. Twice from memory in all the years I have been in New Zealand. I am really surprised to find out how the Databases the different FHL centres hold, differ. I usually go to the Upper Hutt one. They have Indexes of Irish Death from 1864 to about 1922 I think and also Indexes to Griffith's Valuation (Ireland) I must hop into the Centre in Wellington one day and see what they have got there. It must be disappointing for you that they are thinking of closing in Dunedin. Regards Inga The Hutt Valley, Wellington. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J T Pearson Outdoor Training" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN - Databases & FHC FYI The Dunedin LDS FHL holds the index of registrations for Irish marriages 1845 on. I'm afraid I'm too busy to offer look ups at the moment but it's always handy to know what's out there and available. The Dunedin FH library also holds English BMDs indexes 1837-1984 on fiche (yup all of them!) the 1881 and 1891 census on fiche. There are various Irish records (index of wills , religious census and the index of applicants for the Irish Old age pension (1906). If you're in the area check it out, it's a case of use it or lose it as there has been some talk of shutting the library Regards Jane -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 28/11/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 7/04/2007 10:57 p.m.

FYI The Dunedin LDS FHL holds the index of registrations for Irish marriages 1845 on. I'm afraid I'm too busy to offer look ups at the moment but it's always handy to know what's out there and available. The Dunedin FH library also holds English BMDs indexes 1837-1984 on fiche (yup all of them!) the 1881 and 1891 census on fiche. There are various Irish records (index of wills , religious census and the index of applicants for the Irish Old age pension (1906). If you're in the area check it out, it's a case of use it or lose it as there has been some talk of shutting the library Regards Jane -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 28/11/2006

Hi Meg, I am reasonably new to this thread. I thought I was on a winner here with this site you suggested, but I find myself going around in circles as I usually do with Irish sites. Your instructions were wonderfully clear but I think I must be doing something wrong. I am ok up to the step where you click "Civil Registration". Most of the dates here are out of the range I think I need, but I clicked on the fourth one down "Death records of Ireland 1864-70 with index of deaths 1864-1921" which may include the death of the person I need. This gives me a page titled Family History Library Catalog.I click "View Film Notes " and get a page with two columns. One headed "Note" with listings for Index of deaths year by year and the other headed "Location Film" with FHL BRITISH Film and various numbers listed. Where do I go from here. I can't get a page where I can actually see a film. Am I supposed to or am I doing something wrong? Sorry to be such a bother. Regards, Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN - Databases & FHC > More questions arise about the FHC's Ireland INDEX films. Will describe > the films here if anyone wishes to learn more of what's available to > order. Will cap words like INDEX so it won't be thought of as the full > REGISTRATION data [the actual handwritten registration entry we all want > to see]. So bear with me, am trying to be as exact as I can, its needed > to find these film series. > > There are 2 film series, both with hundreds of films that not all FHC > volunteers seem to know about. The INDEX series and the REGISTRATION > series. The films are buried in the FHC catalog under hard to find > titles which don't show up for PLACE SEARCH, only KEYWORD SEARCH on the > URL a bit below here. I had to prove to a FHC library here in the US > that they existed by taking digital shots of the actual film box with > label. Sent the jpg to a patron who was trying to order a film the FHC > claimed didn't exist. > > The LDS church filmed all the INDEX books for 1864-1958. Church of > Ireland INDEXES filmed 1845-1863 [marriages only]. Northern Ireland > INDEXES filmed 1922-1958. They total thousands of films. INDEX films > give year, name, parish, volume and page #. Other names were also on > that same page as there were several lines per page. INDEXES point the > way to finding the full REGISTRATION entry. The GRO needs the INDEX > data or they have to view the INDEX themselves....and you pay them 2 > Euros. You can't order the REGISTRATION films without viewing the INDEX > to tell you which volume and which page to look at. There is no visible > order to the REGISTRATION films....its like they dropped the whole stack > of papers and picked them up again, entering them as they went. There > are literally hundreds or thousands of images per film, you'd be looking > for days without the INDEX information telling volume and page number. > > The LDS church filmed all the REGISTRATION books for various years [the > full handwritten entry...exactly what you'd get from the GRO if you paid > your 6 Euros each for them to search....or 4 Euros each if you send the > registration data [Index data] to them and they don't have to search. > Some gaps exist in these years but not many. > > Births were filmed these years : 1864-1881. 1900-1913. 1930-1955. > Marriages were filmed these years : 1845-1870. > Deaths were filmed for these years : 1864-1870. > > To find these obscure film series yourself in the LDS catalog, go to > this page [the one I left off in my first post] : > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Select PLACE SEARCH and enter IRELAND. Then clik the first offering > [IRELAND]. Scroll down the list of 339 titles to CIVIL REGISTRATION > [nothing else, just this phrase]. There are 15 titles with varied and > confusing names to select. Clikking on each will tell about the title > and if its been filmed, there will be a button saying VIEW FILM NOTES to > clik. The massive film series I've been describing is in these titles > which were copy/pasted so they are exactly what you will see : > > Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, > 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office. [There are 1031 films here] > > Marriage records, 1845-1870, with indexes to marriages, 1845-1921, in > the General Registry Office of Ireland Ireland. General Register Office > [There are 334 films here] > > Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 > Ireland. General Register Office [There are 153 films here] > > Beginning 1922, the Irish Free State was what the bulk of Ireland was > called [or Saorstat Eireann]. Films are murder to find now. Go back to > the link above and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter IRISH FREE STATE and > view the films there. You can enter SAORSTAT EIREANN but must not miss > one letter or you'll get nothing. Use copy/paste for safety and you'll > get 2 film series. > > 1922 and afterwards, Northern Ireland existed, PLACE SEARCH finds some > films if you use the KEYWORD SEARCH for > NORTHERN IRELAND REGISTRATIONS. 6 Titles are returned representing > hundreds of films. > > Sorry for the precise detail in the descriptions, but it has to be done > exactly right or you'll get a notice that the search found nothing. > Surely its why some FHCs don't know they exist. I'm looking at the > films....they do most certainly exist. MegG in OK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Meg, This is absolutely wonderful. Although volunteers at the FHC are most helpful, information about Irish Research is often a bit of a Mystery. I have already learned a lot from your recent Emails and I am certain everybody on the list will agree. Thank you very, very much. This is a whole new approach to finding the films one is looking for. If films are ordered here in New Zealand your Local Centre will keep them for you for about 3 weeks before they are sent back to "whereever" they get them from. I was just going to order an Index for Marriages for the 3rd time, but perhaps I won't now! The good thing about the Marriage Indexes is of course: if you know the name of both Groom and Bride they should both be listed with the same Volume and Page Numbers. Happy Easter and kind regards Inga. What ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN - Databases & FHC More questions arise about the FHC's Ireland INDEX films. Will describe the films here if anyone wishes to learn more of what's available to order. Will cap words like INDEX so it won't be thought of as the full REGISTRATION data [the actual handwritten registration entry we all want to see]. So bear with me, am trying to be as exact as I can, its needed to find these film series. There are 2 film series, both with hundreds of films that not all FHC volunteers seem to know about. The INDEX series and the REGISTRATION series. The films are buried in the FHC catalog under hard to find titles which don't show up for PLACE SEARCH, only KEYWORD SEARCH on the URL a bit below here. I had to prove to a FHC library here in the US that they existed by taking digital shots of the actual film box with label. Sent the jpg to a patron who was trying to order a film the FHC claimed didn't exist. The LDS church filmed all the INDEX books for 1864-1958. Church of Ireland INDEXES filmed 1845-1863 [marriages only]. Northern Ireland INDEXES filmed 1922-1958. They total thousands of films. INDEX films give year, name, parish, volume and page #. Other names were also on that same page as there were several lines per page. INDEXES point the way to finding the full REGISTRATION entry. The GRO needs the INDEX data or they have to view the INDEX themselves....and you pay them 2 Euros. You can't order the REGISTRATION films without viewing the INDEX to tell you which volume and which page to look at. There is no visible order to the REGISTRATION films....its like they dropped the whole stack of papers and picked them up again, entering them as they went. There are literally hundreds or thousands of images per film, you'd be looking for days without the INDEX information telling volume and page number. The LDS church filmed all the REGISTRATION books for various years [the full handwritten entry...exactly what you'd get from the GRO if you paid your 6 Euros each for them to search....or 4 Euros each if you send the registration data [Index data] to them and they don't have to search. Some gaps exist in these years but not many. Births were filmed these years : 1864-1881. 1900-1913. 1930-1955. Marriages were filmed these years : 1845-1870. Deaths were filmed for these years : 1864-1870. To find these obscure film series yourself in the LDS catalog, go to this page [the one I left off in my first post] : http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Select PLACE SEARCH and enter IRELAND. Then clik the first offering [IRELAND]. Scroll down the list of 339 titles to CIVIL REGISTRATION [nothing else, just this phrase]. There are 15 titles with varied and confusing names to select. Clikking on each will tell about the title and if its been filmed, there will be a button saying VIEW FILM NOTES to clik. The massive film series I've been describing is in these titles which were copy/pasted so they are exactly what you will see : Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office. [There are 1031 films here] Marriage records, 1845-1870, with indexes to marriages, 1845-1921, in the General Registry Office of Ireland Ireland. General Register Office [There are 334 films here] Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office [There are 153 films here] Beginning 1922, the Irish Free State was what the bulk of Ireland was called [or Saorstat Eireann]. Films are murder to find now. Go back to the link above and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter IRISH FREE STATE and view the films there. You can enter SAORSTAT EIREANN but must not miss one letter or you'll get nothing. Use copy/paste for safety and you'll get 2 film series. 1922 and afterwards, Northern Ireland existed, PLACE SEARCH finds some films if you use the KEYWORD SEARCH for NORTHERN IRELAND REGISTRATIONS. 6 Titles are returned representing hundreds of films. Sorry for the precise detail in the descriptions, but it has to be done exactly right or you'll get a notice that the search found nothing. Surely its why some FHCs don't know they exist. I'm looking at the films....they do most certainly exist. MegG in OK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/750 - Release Date: 6/04/2007 9:30 p.m.

Hi Cathy The links for databases as below are:- www.irishgenealogy.ie (use the free search, 3.6 million records, link in green banner at top of page) www.ulsterancestry.com Useful tools, but probably most expensive way to purchase certificate. Within the years of statutory registration the copy of the entry in the register is much more personal, having original signatures, (except marriage, where these will be in the parish book), and less expensive than the official extracted information on certificate dated "today". The first link is good in the fact that it appears to have indexed events before 1864, and having found my ggrandfather's death in 1895, (FHC Death Index) age 50, was able to then find an 1845 entry for - hopefully - his baptism. Best Wishes Ava Connelly Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: cathy hatcher <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] IRL-CAVAN - Databases & FHC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Ava, Would you mind posting those links again? I just joined the email list and seem to have missed the message. Thanks, Cathy AC <[email protected]> wrote: Hello again, I'm sorry for any misunderstanding, and hope you didn't spend too much money, I offered the links as a means of narrowing the field. May I add that I used the databases as an overview, and then visited Family History Centre to obtain more specific register details from the Index films, I have not ordered certificates as yet, but in the near future, armed with the registration info, Quarter, Volume and page number, from the indexes at FHC, I will purchase from GRO in Dublin. Price for this is,(I think), 4 Euros. (Unless Meg can suggest a better method?). Of course as Meg points out if the parish register was filmed FHC can order the film and certificate can then be printed out from that if facilities allow. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1885 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Thank you so much, Meg, for the explanation of how to find the actual Irish BMD registration microfilms at the FHC. I've asked several volunteers at the center nearest me and they didn't know the films existed either. This was a very welcome education! Cheers to you ~ Tamy

Hello again, I'm sorry for any misunderstanding, and hope you didn't spend too much money, I offered the links as a means of narrowing the field. May I add that I used the databases as an overview, and then visited Family History Centre to obtain more specific register details from the Index films, I have not ordered certificates as yet, but in the near future, armed with the registration info, Quarter, Volume and page number, from the indexes at FHC, I will purchase from GRO in Dublin. Price for this is,(I think), 4 Euros. (Unless Meg can suggest a better method?). Of course as Meg points out if the parish register was filmed FHC can order the film and certificate can then be printed out from that if facilities allow. Best Wishes Ava Connelly From: Meg Greenwood <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Registration INDEX films for Ireland Have noticed this thread and may be of some assistance. The FHC nearest me has the INDEX films for births, marriages and deaths in Ireland from 1864-1958. Some gaps here and there but most films are here for most of Ireland [not Northern I. after 1922]. These are the same films it was suggested you rent. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1871 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Meg, I wound much appreciat help with this, I have put it of too long because of the difficulty finding info. My GGgrandfather Edward FINNEGAN, born abt 1864, CO CAVAN, sometimes he spelt it FINIGAN which was common back then, we are told by a cousin that Edward said his parents where Patrick & Ellen FINNEGAN on his marriage certificate, we haven't seen it family are secretive. He married 1900 in St Marys Belfast to a Mary Catherine MOLONEY, Edward died in Australia age 66 in 1919. An help is very much appreciated Kath Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Registration INDEX films for Ireland > Have noticed this thread and may be of some assistance. The FHC nearest > me has the INDEX films for births, marriages and deaths in Ireland from > 1864-1958. Some gaps here and there but most films are here for most of > Ireland [not Northern I. after 1922]. These are the same films it was > suggested you rent. > > If Cathy or anyone else wishes me to check the INDEX films for the > Registration data [year, name, surname, district of registration, > volume, page # and nothing else, no parents, no residence, no ages > except for deaths], you will need to send me a NAME, a SURNAME, a YEAR > and an expected PARISH or DISTRICT. At least a COUNTY. The > Registration districts for Cavan are Baillieborough, Bawnboy, Cavan, > Coothill, Enniskillen, Granard, Kells and Oldcastle. Am told they are > generally the same as the Poor Law Unions. > > I can't do a lookup without a YEAR to begin the search. The films are > constructed year by year, not surname. Beginning 1864 as the books > closed on Dec 31, all the names were gathered at the Registrar's offices > and sent in for publication in full years worth of names for the entire > country of Ireland that were Registered. Beginning 1878, the names were > sent in by quarter years [3m spans] so there are 4 quarters of names per > year. Each quarter year's books are alphabetized by surname just like > the full years before [meaning its 4 times the work to look up names]. > The INDEX covers all counties in Ireland. > > One bonus is for Church of Ireland is that marriages were recorded for > that faith beginning 1845. It was the official religion for Ireland, so > only those marriages were required to be recorded. Quaker, U.P., Roman > Catholic and all others were not officially recorded, they were in books > kept at the local church. Only a few of these books were filmed. 1864 > marked the beginning of mandatory Civil Registration meaning all births, > marriages and deaths were by law recorded at the local Registration > Office. > > To find out if any of your parish of interest's records were filmed, go > here and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter the word PAROCHIAL IRELAND to > see if its records were filmed. There will be 462 returns. You could > enter the parish name with it...but spelling must be exact which is a > problem. Just scroll through the returns and you'll see all the films > the FHC's have for Roman Catholic births, etc in Ireland. > > The FHC in my city is 8 minutes from my house, I work there as a > non-churchmember on Wednesday evenings. The building has been closed 2 > weeks for remodeling, it just opened up this past week, construction > debris is still everywhere but we are open. I enjoy doing lookups but > please send me as much information as you can [not a GEDCOM] and > understand that without a year or brief span of years, I'll not be able > to find what you seek. If you are asking about a very common surname > [MURPHY, O'CONNER, O'DONNELL], I'll be happy to send 'your' Patrick or > Mary....along with dozens of others and let you scratch your head]. > > Won't do any lookups on the GAUGHRAN and COLLINS one until I hear > details of what is needed......Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 7/04/2007 > 10:57 PM >

Hi Diane, I did find these children for Patrick & Ellen. We are trying to find an Edward for these parents Patrick & Ellen, I have found an Edward for a John & Ellen around 1864. But on Edwards marriage certificate he said his father was Patrick. I rearly need to go to LDS record centre near me, just need to find some time, looking after a sick husband takes a bit. Many thanks Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] FINNEGAN-BRADEY, FINNEGAN-MOLONEY > Familysearch.org's IGI shows 5 other children for Patrick Finnegan and > Ellen > Brady: John 1865, Bell (?) 1867, Mary Ann 1870, Patrick 1873, and Michael > 1875. If you haven't already, you should order the Crosserlough parish > film and > possibly find more. > > Diane </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/751 - Release Date: 7/04/2007 > 10:57 PM > >

More questions arise about the FHC's Ireland INDEX films. Will describe the films here if anyone wishes to learn more of what's available to order. Will cap words like INDEX so it won't be thought of as the full REGISTRATION data [the actual handwritten registration entry we all want to see]. So bear with me, am trying to be as exact as I can, its needed to find these film series. There are 2 film series, both with hundreds of films that not all FHC volunteers seem to know about. The INDEX series and the REGISTRATION series. The films are buried in the FHC catalog under hard to find titles which don't show up for PLACE SEARCH, only KEYWORD SEARCH on the URL a bit below here. I had to prove to a FHC library here in the US that they existed by taking digital shots of the actual film box with label. Sent the jpg to a patron who was trying to order a film the FHC claimed didn't exist. The LDS church filmed all the INDEX books for 1864-1958. Church of Ireland INDEXES filmed 1845-1863 [marriages only]. Northern Ireland INDEXES filmed 1922-1958. They total thousands of films. INDEX films give year, name, parish, volume and page #. Other names were also on that same page as there were several lines per page. INDEXES point the way to finding the full REGISTRATION entry. The GRO needs the INDEX data or they have to view the INDEX themselves....and you pay them 2 Euros. You can't order the REGISTRATION films without viewing the INDEX to tell you which volume and which page to look at. There is no visible order to the REGISTRATION films....its like they dropped the whole stack of papers and picked them up again, entering them as they went. There are literally hundreds or thousands of images per film, you'd be looking for days without the INDEX information telling volume and page number. The LDS church filmed all the REGISTRATION books for various years [the full handwritten entry...exactly what you'd get from the GRO if you paid your 6 Euros each for them to search....or 4 Euros each if you send the registration data [Index data] to them and they don't have to search. Some gaps exist in these years but not many. Births were filmed these years : 1864-1881. 1900-1913. 1930-1955. Marriages were filmed these years : 1845-1870. Deaths were filmed for these years : 1864-1870. To find these obscure film series yourself in the LDS catalog, go to this page [the one I left off in my first post] : http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Select PLACE SEARCH and enter IRELAND. Then clik the first offering [IRELAND]. Scroll down the list of 339 titles to CIVIL REGISTRATION [nothing else, just this phrase]. There are 15 titles with varied and confusing names to select. Clikking on each will tell about the title and if its been filmed, there will be a button saying VIEW FILM NOTES to clik. The massive film series I've been describing is in these titles which were copy/pasted so they are exactly what you will see : Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office. [There are 1031 films here] Marriage records, 1845-1870, with indexes to marriages, 1845-1921, in the General Registry Office of Ireland Ireland. General Register Office [There are 334 films here] Death records of Ireland, 1864-1870, with index of deaths, 1864-1921 Ireland. General Register Office [There are 153 films here] Beginning 1922, the Irish Free State was what the bulk of Ireland was called [or Saorstat Eireann]. Films are murder to find now. Go back to the link above and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter IRISH FREE STATE and view the films there. You can enter SAORSTAT EIREANN but must not miss one letter or you'll get nothing. Use copy/paste for safety and you'll get 2 film series. 1922 and afterwards, Northern Ireland existed, PLACE SEARCH finds some films if you use the KEYWORD SEARCH for NORTHERN IRELAND REGISTRATIONS. 6 Titles are returned representing hundreds of films. Sorry for the precise detail in the descriptions, but it has to be done exactly right or you'll get a notice that the search found nothing. Surely its why some FHCs don't know they exist. I'm looking at the films....they do most certainly exist. MegG in OK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Dear Meg, That is a very generous offer. I think you will have a busy month ahead!! The LDS Centre I go to has the Death Indexes but one has to order Indexes for Birth and Marriages. Kind regards Inga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] URL for film searches at LDS Library of films I left off the URL for the LDS film search in this paragraph from my recent post.....senior moment....: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ......To find out if any of your parish of interest's records were filmed, go here and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter the word PAROCHIAL IRELAND to see if its records were filmed. There will be 462 returns. You could enter the parish name with it...but spelling must be exact which is a problem. Just scroll through the returns and you'll see all the films the FHC's have for Roman Catholic births, etc in Ireland....... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/748 - Release Date: 5/04/2007 3:33 p.m.

Also thank you from me, Ava. I "found" my husbands grandmother and have sent for her Birth Certificate, hoping to find where her Fathers family came from in Ireland. Best wishes Inga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "AC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Online Irish Databases Hi Jean and Karen A couple of sites with index databases for Ireland below. The first has Cavan birth records (I've found my family names there,) www.irishgenealogy.ie (free search) and the 2nd link covers other Ulster Counties, but not Cavan, www.emeraldancestors.com and both are definitely worth checking if you are looking in the areas they cover. I don't know the scope of records they each offer, but worth a look anyway. Best Wishes Ava Connelly -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1784 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 4:23 p.m.

Dear Ava, Would you mind posting those links again? I just joined the email list and seem to have missed the message. Thanks, Cathy AC <[email protected]> wrote: Hello again, I'm sorry for any misunderstanding, and hope you didn't spend too much money, I offered the links as a means of narrowing the field. May I add that I used the databases as an overview, and then visited Family History Centre to obtain more specific register details from the Index films, I have not ordered certificates as yet, but in the near future, armed with the registration info, Quarter, Volume and page number, from the indexes at FHC, I will purchase from GRO in Dublin. Price for this is,(I think), 4 Euros. (Unless Meg can suggest a better method?). Of course as Meg points out if the parish register was filmed FHC can order the film and certificate can then be printed out from that if facilities allow. Best Wishes Ava Connelly From: Meg Greenwood Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Registration INDEX films for Ireland Have noticed this thread and may be of some assistance. The FHC nearest me has the INDEX films for births, marriages and deaths in Ireland from 1864-1958. Some gaps here and there but most films are here for most of Ireland [not Northern I. after 1922]. These are the same films it was suggested you rent. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1871 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Ava - thanks so much for the 2 database sites you posted. Think I found a baptism for my grandmother. I sent for the cert. Rather expensive, but will give me a lead as to the name of her father and hopefully pinpoint what town she is from in Tyrone. Thanks again Priscilla Researching Nelson, Park Lee from Tyrone

There were two RC bishops of Kilmore named Finnegan; Bernard, son of Patrick Finegan and Rose O'Reilly;Corlurgan townland, parish of Urney & Annagelliffe. Baptised 27 Aug. 1837. died 11 Nov. 1887. Patrick Finegan Bapt. 19 Aug. 1858 son of James Finegan and Mary O'Reilly, Corlurgan townland, Urney & Annagelliffe. Corlurgan is about two miles from Cavan Town in the direction of Ballinagh. There is a crossroads there with one road leading to Kilnaleck which is in Crosserlough parish. Information from Diocese of Kilmore, Bishops & Priests 1136-1988. Brian

In a message dated 4/7/2007 1:57:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I'm new to Irish research, so can someone help me and point me where to search for: Ann Blackwell, born 25 Oct 1827 (date calculated from death certificate) in Bailieborough. Mother is Sarah, father unknown because mother Sarah came to the US after husband died. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Karen Ann Blackwell's birth date certainly predates the keeping of civil records. One possibility chance is to find someone who can check church records for baptisms or registrations of births--if you know which denomination. Some of us have found the Cavan Research Centre to be very helpful; that web site is _http://www.irish-roots.net/cavan.asp_ (http://www.irish-roots.net/cavan.asp) . Be prepared for some months for the Centre to start going on your file; very busy, but do a good job. There is a Genuki web site which seems well maintained and provides links to other sites: _http://www.sierratel.com/colinf/genuki/CAV/index.html_ (http://www.sierratel.com/colinf/genuki/CAV/index.html) If you are just starting Irish research, you might also have a look at the LDS Family History web site, go to the Library, and check the Catalog for location Bailieborough in County Cavan _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp) . That has been useful. Records in Cavan are irregular for various reasons--this takes tenacity. Regards. Dan Wagner ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I'm new to Irish research, so can someone help me and point me where to search for: Ann Blackwell, born 25 Oct 1827 (date calculated from death certificate) in Bailieborough. Mother is Sarah, father unknown because mother Sarah came to the US after husband died. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Karen ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I left off the URL for the LDS film search in this paragraph from my recent post.....senior moment....: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ......To find out if any of your parish of interest's records were filmed, go here and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter the word PAROCHIAL IRELAND to see if its records were filmed. There will be 462 returns. You could enter the parish name with it...but spelling must be exact which is a problem. Just scroll through the returns and you'll see all the films the FHC's have for Roman Catholic births, etc in Ireland....... >

Have noticed this thread and may be of some assistance. The FHC nearest me has the INDEX films for births, marriages and deaths in Ireland from 1864-1958. Some gaps here and there but most films are here for most of Ireland [not Northern I. after 1922]. These are the same films it was suggested you rent. If Cathy or anyone else wishes me to check the INDEX films for the Registration data [year, name, surname, district of registration, volume, page # and nothing else, no parents, no residence, no ages except for deaths], you will need to send me a NAME, a SURNAME, a YEAR and an expected PARISH or DISTRICT. At least a COUNTY. The Registration districts for Cavan are Baillieborough, Bawnboy, Cavan, Coothill, Enniskillen, Granard, Kells and Oldcastle. Am told they are generally the same as the Poor Law Unions. I can't do a lookup without a YEAR to begin the search. The films are constructed year by year, not surname. Beginning 1864 as the books closed on Dec 31, all the names were gathered at the Registrar's offices and sent in for publication in full years worth of names for the entire country of Ireland that were Registered. Beginning 1878, the names were sent in by quarter years [3m spans] so there are 4 quarters of names per year. Each quarter year's books are alphabetized by surname just like the full years before [meaning its 4 times the work to look up names]. The INDEX covers all counties in Ireland. One bonus is for Church of Ireland is that marriages were recorded for that faith beginning 1845. It was the official religion for Ireland, so only those marriages were required to be recorded. Quaker, U.P., Roman Catholic and all others were not officially recorded, they were in books kept at the local church. Only a few of these books were filmed. 1864 marked the beginning of mandatory Civil Registration meaning all births, marriages and deaths were by law recorded at the local Registration Office. To find out if any of your parish of interest's records were filmed, go here and select KEYWORD SEARCH. Enter the word PAROCHIAL IRELAND to see if its records were filmed. There will be 462 returns. You could enter the parish name with it...but spelling must be exact which is a problem. Just scroll through the returns and you'll see all the films the FHC's have for Roman Catholic births, etc in Ireland. The FHC in my city is 8 minutes from my house, I work there as a non-churchmember on Wednesday evenings. The building has been closed 2 weeks for remodeling, it just opened up this past week, construction debris is still everywhere but we are open. I enjoy doing lookups but please send me as much information as you can [not a GEDCOM] and understand that without a year or brief span of years, I'll not be able to find what you seek. If you are asking about a very common surname [MURPHY, O'CONNER, O'DONNELL], I'll be happy to send 'your' Patrick or Mary....along with dozens of others and let you scratch your head]. Won't do any lookups on the GAUGHRAN and COLLINS one until I hear details of what is needed......Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA >