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Hi List members, I am hoping for some help in locating the grave yard where my Lynch, Maguire, Cusack ancestors who lived Seefin would have been buried? Any help welcome. Barb H in Oz

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the graves are gone but thi s is a big place some people myself included believe they might find the arc of the covernant there please god ihope they didnt pave it over. tara is where jerimiah aka ollam fola brought the last of two princesses from israel one married the king of iberia the other the high king of ireland. olam folla built the code of laws religious and secular. jerimiah was propheciezed to tear down and build up he tore down the israelite throne. and he built up the thrones in britian by doing ireland. you have no idea what can still be found. what treasures are to be discovered. and the point is no one does. all this was done way back before bc when babylonia captured the nations of israel and judah.back when the druids came from mid asia to england. finding m cousin is nothing if the history of that era could be established. what tablets exist there. ireland has kept civilized records secret before why not again Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks for your reply Jim. I should point out that since the road is already done, we can do nothing to preserve the site now. What we can do now, is perhaps what I suggested. If the bones are indeed kept in separate "bags" this is all I could suggest. Records even pre-1900 can be extremely difficult to come by, let alone much further than that. Records were destroyed as different regimes came to the island. What seems to me to remain are different religious records, old papers and manuscripts and folk songs. If this was a tragedy such as the black plague, perhaps old songs may be researched. Appreciating our ancestors, of course we're horrified at any government doing something like this road, giving no notice or anything. Political work to be done here. But that's the reality isn't it? So what we have to do is try to make sure future incursions are not made without notice and deal with what's left of this one. In this way, we do our genealogical job, we preserve for the future generations as much as we can of our heritage. Kathleen

In a message dated 7/15/2007 1:19:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have an idea that may mitigate to a small degree the sadness we all feel at this loss. How about taking dna samples from these bones that are being kept and adding the results into a database of people searching for their Irish ancestors in this way? It may also promote voluntary donation of dna data to help more find their families. I have not engaged in dna matching because finding my ancestors is still proving difficult. My Irish ancestors all came from somewhere else about 1820 so I'm stumped there. If I was more confident of it being useful for me I would do it. Any thoughts on this? Of course, the volunteers would need money for the testing. Donation of services in the national interest? Gifts from supporters? Kathleen i dont think you understand they are gone forever when they istall a road they do the road bed 10 ft below the road its whats also there thats needing to be saved this site could be of a scale of giza , le terne or pompey Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I was disappointed to hear the roads dept in Ireland has used such a cavalier way to deal with a graeyard they find inconvenient. This damage is immeasurable. I have an idea that may mitigate to a small degree the sadness we all feel at this loss. How about taking dna samples from these bones that are being kept and adding the results into a database of people searching for their Irish ancestors in this way? It may also promote voluntary donation of dna data to help more find their families. I have not engaged in dna matching because finding my ancestors is still proving difficult. My Irish ancestors all came from somewhere else about 1820 so I'm stumped there. If I was more confident of it being useful for me I would do it. Any thoughts on this? Of course, the volunteers would need money for the testing. Donation of services in the national interest? Gifts from supporters? Kathleen

In a message dated 7/12/2007 1:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: don't think this is slightly off subject. Where is Tara located? This is the same complaint American Indians have about the graves of their ancestors being dug up and put in museums for "archeological research". They have gotten pretty good at using the legal system to force reburial of any bones found. Lois [email protected] wrote: The crime is we still don't know what these people can tell up as to the migrations of people to ireland. as someone doing a project on migration from longford and cavan and area to several places in the world. the answers would be enlightening. but to burried under asphalt to be unknown forever thats stupid.ignorant and words i cant use here these would be people from 2000 bc the same age the pyramid was built 2400 bc Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 7/12/2007 1:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I don't think this is slightly off subject. Where is Tara located? This is the same complaint American Indians have about the graves of their ancestors being dug up and put in museums for "archeological research". They have gotten pretty good at using the legal system to force reburial of any bones found. Lois MEATH ABOUT 20 MILES FROM ARDAGH these people should be researched one might be my cousin now they are just unknown bones that changes when dna identifies them as MY relative Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I don't think this is slightly off subject. Where is Tara located? This is the same complaint American Indians have about the graves of their ancestors being dug up and put in museums for "archeological research". They have gotten pretty good at using the legal system to force reburial of any bones found. Lois [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. slightly off topic Ancestors at Tara ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:15:37 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] slightly off topic Ancestors at Tara To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Probably some of the peoples grave destroyed would match dna with yours and my relatives this is a crime ____________________________________ Ancestors at Tara Friday June 08 2007 It is a national disgrace that the 2,500-year-old graveyard in Collierstown near the Hill of Tara has been destroyed by the NRA (National Roads Authority). As of yet no full archaeological report has been published, leaving the Irish public in a cloud of darkness about the heritage of the site and its importance in terms of national folklore. There has always been a tradition within Irish culture never to interfere with the graves of our ancestors - yet no attempt at preserving the graveyard through re-routing the interchanged which runs over the burial mound was contemplated. The preliminary reports on the NRA website record only three human remains being unearthed, yet the final dig uncovered graves of at least fifty individuals, including many children buried in ceremonial alignment. The unusual layout of the burial mound automatically suggests that it is the remnants of a battlefield or an undefined tragic event, and naturally it was hoped that the archaeological dig would have uncovered sufficient evidence to enlighten the Irish public about its construction, before any further action was taken regarding its future. Unfortunately the NRA chose to destroy the graveyard prior to any public disclosure, stealing our birthright of knowing the full value of the site and its possible connection to the kingdom of Tara. It is also disheartening to learn that the human remains uncovered at the site are to be stored for the unforeseen future in plastic containers at a warehouse rented by the National Museum - with no re-internment ceremony planned in the customary traditions of the Irish people. One must really question if there is anything sacred in this island of ours anymore and is this the precedence being set for all construction projects in the future regarding burial mounds and other national monuments. Tom?s mac Cormaic, D?l Cormaic Luisc, Clochrua, Contae Chorcai. Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 116 ***************************************** --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

Probably some of the peoples grave destroyed would match dna with yours and my relatives this is a crime ____________________________________ Ancestors at Tara Friday June 08 2007 It is a national disgrace that the 2,500-year-old graveyard in Collierstown near the Hill of Tara has been destroyed by the NRA (National Roads Authority). As of yet no full archaeological report has been published, leaving the Irish public in a cloud of darkness about the heritage of the site and its importance in terms of national folklore. There has always been a tradition within Irish culture never to interfere with the graves of our ancestors - yet no attempt at preserving the graveyard through re-routing the interchanged which runs over the burial mound was contemplated. The preliminary reports on the NRA website record only three human remains being unearthed, yet the final dig uncovered graves of at least fifty individuals, including many children buried in ceremonial alignment. The unusual layout of the burial mound automatically suggests that it is the remnants of a battlefield or an undefined tragic event, and naturally it was hoped that the archaeological dig would have uncovered sufficient evidence to enlighten the Irish public about its construction, before any further action was taken regarding its future. Unfortunately the NRA chose to destroy the graveyard prior to any public disclosure, stealing our birthright of knowing the full value of the site and its possible connection to the kingdom of Tara. It is also disheartening to learn that the human remains uncovered at the site are to be stored for the unforeseen future in plastic containers at a warehouse rented by the National Museum - with no re-internment ceremony planned in the customary traditions of the Irish people. One must really question if there is anything sacred in this island of ours anymore and is this the precedence being set for all construction projects in the future regarding burial mounds and other national monuments. Tomás mac Cormaic, Dál Cormaic Luisc, Clochrua, Contae Chorcai. Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.- and ever an growing list List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Anyone with McMANUS, possibly connected with BRADY, at Cootehill 1820s-1840s? I have Catharine McMANUS b. abt 1830, d/o Thomas McMANUS and Catharine BRADY, altho BRADY may be in doubt. Anyone? Patricia Cornacchione Cleveland, Ohio USA

Hi, I would love to make contact with any GILLICK families of Bracklin in Co.Cavan Many thanks Helen McNamara New Zealand

Good on you ,Roberta ! It's so nice to learn that someone else also has an interest in Ballyconnell , Cavan , Ireland. I shall be interested in the responses you get ,even though I cannot travel to Ireland My Great grandmother , Mary Reilly / Riley , left Ballyconnell in 1865 . She was a passenger aboard the ship 'WALLASEA' , which brought her to Australia , as a nineteen-year-old . Ray In freezing Christchurch , New Zealand >From: "Roberta Lawson" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] What is in Cavan >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:19:44 +1000 > >Good morning all, > >I will be travelling to Co. Cavan, in September, especially to the town of >Ballyconnell, to do some research but also to have a look >around the area. Can anyone who has been there to do reseach and the >tourist thing give me some hints/tips on what to see and do. > >My Great Grandfather, George Wilson left Ballyconnel in 1856 to travel to >Australia and it is his family that Iam trying to find something >out about. > >TIA >Roberta >In beautiful sunny Queensland > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Live Search delivers results the way you like it. Try live.com now! http://www.live.com

In a message dated 6/24/2007 3:20:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good morning all, I will be travelling to Co. Cavan, in September, especially to the town of Ballyconnell, to do some research but also to have a look around the area. Can anyone who has been there to do reseach and the tourist thing give me some hints/tips on what to see and do. My Great Grandfather, George Wilson left Ballyconnel in 1856 to travel to Australia and it is his family that Iam trying to find something out about. TIA Roberta In beautiful sunny Queensland The County Cavan Research Centre, email address [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) , were very helpful to me in my search for ancestors who were around Bailieborough. You may find the office on the internet by entering 'county cavan research centre' in your search. This office is one of the government-sponsored offices set up for each county. It takes some months in order to realize results after your initial agreement with the Research Centre. That said, I found this group to be a great help and critical resource to progressing further. There is much information held locally in various places that one simply cannot find outside the county. We travelled to Armagh and Cavan in 2005, and went by the Centre to say hello and ask a few questions. My key contact was out on a research task, but her colleagues were gracious and worked on the questions I had. It's worth a visit to establish contact even if you don't have a file working with this group. Super people. Regards. Dan Wagner ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Good morning all, I will be travelling to Co. Cavan, in September, especially to the town of Ballyconnell, to do some research but also to have a look around the area. Can anyone who has been there to do reseach and the tourist thing give me some hints/tips on what to see and do. My Great Grandfather, George Wilson left Ballyconnel in 1856 to travel to Australia and it is his family that Iam trying to find something out about. TIA Roberta In beautiful sunny Queensland

I am searching for any family descended from James & Bridget(REILLY)GILLICK. James came from Killinkere & Bridget came from Moynalty in Co.Meath. They settled in Bracklin/Bailieboro.Bridget's brother Luke also lived in the area. He is buried in Kingscourt. James & Bridget are buried in Lurgan cemetery. Can SKS tell me if either of those cemeterys are on-line? Many thanks Helen McNamara Christchurch NEW ZEALAND

The County Cavan Newspaper Transcription has come to an end having realized its goal of transcribing all available data prior to the advent of civil registration in 1864. Now I'd like to tackle the1641 depositions, however, they are not for the feint of heart! These are claims people made of damages suffered by insurrection and contain a great deal of genealogical information. The handwriting is horrible making a literal transcription impractical. The goal of this project is to abstract the information in a format similiar to that found in Eustace, P.B. and Ellis, E. "Abstracts of Wills at the Registry of Deeds" (3 vols.), Irish Manuscripts Commission, 1954-1988. If you would like to help you must be able to spend lots of time at a microfilm reader. Contact me offlist to express interest or more detail Colin Ferguson GENUKI: County Cavan http://www.sierratel.com/colinf/genuki/CAV/

Hi all, Thankyou to all those who responded to my query. All my concerns have now been clarified. Best wishes Julie