I have a copy of a marriage record that shows the family's address was Carratinure, Killinkere Parish. I have tried to locate the town and it is not in the index to Townlands and Towns of Ireland, nor can I find it on IreAtlas. From Google, there is a phone book location, which puts it close to Virginia. I am curious to know if this is an area of a particular town. I tried looking for it in Griffiths Evaluation, but couldn't find it. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Patrice Schadt

Dear Patrice, On the Discovery Series Ordinance map I have it is just under Killinkere spelled Corratinner at the head of Corratiner Lough or lake. The scale on these maps is about a mile to the inch so you get all the smaller towns. It is almost worn out I have used it so much. Jane Gosselin a5a94630@telus.net

Mill Rock was in Cavan Town. Checked 1901 census but the name is not listed there nor is it listed there in 1911. As most children were born at home it might be worthwhile to get copies of the actual birth records of the two children you have no location for. In 1901 census I found the following at Church St, Cavan: John and Kate Derby, Maggie. This is taken from a book "Exploring Family Origins and Old Cavan Town" No other details given but I can get details later in the week if you want. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-cavan-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 178 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. David PHAIR Killeshandra (Margery W Phair) > 2. Darby (JMorgan441@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:55:43 +1000 > From: "Margery W Phair" <m.phair@bigpond.com> > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] David PHAIR Killeshandra > To: <irl-cavan@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003f01c92076$7213cda0$31ab36cb@OPTIMACC0D078A> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have found reference to David PHAIR in Griffith's Valuation. He was > occupier in County Cavan, Parish Killeshandra, Townland Lahard. The > Landlord was John McCormack. > > It is possible that he is the illegitimate son of William PHAIR > (1802-1865) who is mentioned in William's Will dated 22 April 1865. I > quote "And I will & bequeath to my illegitimate son David Phair the sum of > two pounds sterling per year for five years to be raised of my house in > Killeshandra, and paid by instalments of ten shillings each on the 1st > Wednesday of each quarter year for the five years. And I make this > bequest to the said David Phair on the distinct condition that he do not > or shall not give any annoyance, insult, trouble or in any way whatsoever > interfere with any member of my family. If he does he will receive only > one shilling". > > I would be interested to discover what happened to David. Does anyone have > him in their tree? > > William's other children were: > > Sarah Jane (1838-1839) > Elizabeth, married John GIBSON, Kilbracken, 1863 > John, married Elizabeth STEVENS in Queensland, Australia, 1867 (they > immediately returned to Killeshandra) > Isabella, married John J MEE, 1865 (shopkeeper, Killeshandra) > Annie Jane, married Henry MORTON, 1875 > Sarah, born 8 October 1846. > > My husband is descended from John and Elizabeth and I would like to > correspond with anyone who is descended from John's siblings. > > Regards, > Margery Phair (NSW Australia) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:28:13 EDT > From: JMorgan441@aol.com > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Darby > To: IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc5.345710c0.361053cd@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi, > I am new to the Cavan list. I have recently found a marriage in 1882 for a > William Darby and Jane Anne McDonnell ( also Johanna). I have documents > for > IFHF of 3 children apparently baptised in RC church in Cavan, James > William > 1884, Mary Joan1887, and Anne 1888. I am searching for any further > information > on this family, particularly location. One baptism mentions Mill Rock, > and > the other 2 mention just Cavan. I don't think that is an actual townland > although it could be a town. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > Janet > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-CAVAN list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CAVAN mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 178 > ***************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.7.4/1695 - Release Date: 27/09/2008 > 13:11 >

Brian ...Do you have access to the 1901 or 1911 census for Cavan ?? If so would you mind looking up Michael Tully born about 1888 Catherine Agnes Brady born about 1888 also .. They emigrated in 1912, Catherine (Kate) went back with her son Peter Tully and they returned in 1920 .. Lived in Brooklyn NY .. Thanks MaryPat **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Hi, I am new to the Cavan list. I have recently found a marriage in 1882 for a William Darby and Jane Anne McDonnell ( also Johanna). I have documents for IFHF of 3 children apparently baptised in RC church in Cavan, James William 1884, Mary Joan1887, and Anne 1888. I am searching for any further information on this family, particularly location. One baptism mentions Mill Rock, and the other 2 mention just Cavan. I don't think that is an actual townland although it could be a town. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Janet **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I have found reference to David PHAIR in Griffith's Valuation. He was occupier in County Cavan, Parish Killeshandra, Townland Lahard. The Landlord was John McCormack. It is possible that he is the illegitimate son of William PHAIR (1802-1865) who is mentioned in William's Will dated 22 April 1865. I quote "And I will & bequeath to my illegitimate son David Phair the sum of two pounds sterling per year for five years to be raised of my house in Killeshandra, and paid by instalments of ten shillings each on the 1st Wednesday of each quarter year for the five years. And I make this bequest to the said David Phair on the distinct condition that he do not or shall not give any annoyance, insult, trouble or in any way whatsoever interfere with any member of my family. If he does he will receive only one shilling". I would be interested to discover what happened to David. Does anyone have him in their tree? William's other children were: Sarah Jane (1838-1839) Elizabeth, married John GIBSON, Kilbracken, 1863 John, married Elizabeth STEVENS in Queensland, Australia, 1867 (they immediately returned to Killeshandra) Isabella, married John J MEE, 1865 (shopkeeper, Killeshandra) Annie Jane, married Henry MORTON, 1875 Sarah, born 8 October 1846. My husband is descended from John and Elizabeth and I would like to correspond with anyone who is descended from John's siblings. Regards, Margery Phair (NSW Australia)

Hi Listers, My ancestors were John McMahon, (son of Phillip who was a labourer), who married Mary Wallace, (daughter of Samuel who was a farmer). They married in April 1851 in the parish/district of Billis, county Cavan. They were married in the Church of Ireland, and their address was given as Carickeeshill. I have found Samuel Wallace in the Griffiths Valuation and he lived at Lisdrumskea in the parish of Shercock. But that is all I know. I can't find any reference to Carickeeshill, nor anything about Phillip McMahon and who he was married to and any other children he might have had, or where he is from. Nor can I find out where John McMahon was born and when. Neither do I have that information about Mary Wallace. I am baffled as to where to look next. Does anyone out there on the list have any suggestions for me please? I would love to get past this brick wall. Many thanks Robert Flynn

Hi Peter, Have you made a Griffith's Valuation search for the BOWES surname in Annagh? My favourite site for this is http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php Then you should perhaps check out this site: http://cavan.brsgenealogy.com/ where you may search the Indexes for free, but will need to buy credits to obtain the full details of any entry found. Hope this helps, Nancy McLaughlin. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, peter <peter.boyle@powerup.com.au> wrote: > I am searching for any information regarding the Bowes family. The only > known relative I have is William Bowes who was born in the Parish of Anna > c1830. He subsequently went to Scotland, became a coalminer and married > Margaret McClure in Ayrshire in 1850. > > Any information gratefully received. > > Cheers > > Peter > > > > > > >

I am searching for any information regarding the Bowes family. The only known relative I have is William Bowes who was born in the Parish of Anna c1830. He subsequently went to Scotland, became a coalminer and married Margaret McClure in Ayrshire in 1850. Any information gratefully received. Cheers Peter

The censuses are not on line, but they have been filmed by the LDS, as have the civil indexes and most parish registers. Diane

Hi Patrice, there is an ongoing project to place the 1911 and 1901 censuses online for free. "Digitisation, indexing and e-linking for both censuses is expected to be complete by mid-2009." I think that is too ambitious, as there has been no progress since this went online in the spring. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/index.html Volunteers have placed some 1901 census records online here: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/ It does not include County Cavan, however. Best wishes, Susan Daily On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Patrice Schadt <pschadt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > I was wondering if there is a site where I can look at the 1901 and 1911 > Ireland Census. I was also wondering if there is a site or cd's available > for any of the other census or important databases to use for my County > Cavan research. Any thoughts are appreciated. >

I was wondering if there is a site where I can look at the 1901 and 1911 Ireland Census. I was also wondering if there is a site or cd's available for any of the other census or important databases to use for my County Cavan research. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thank you for your time. Patrice Schadt

Jane, I believe what you are seeing is that the church that the family attended is in Co Cavan, which is why the baptisms are there, but the family itself lived in Co Meath (IGI has the birth records for Bridget and Anne born in Moynalty; Mary and the others are pre-registration of 1864). The marriage is in Co Meath, suggesting that the parish that Margaret and family belonged was in Meath (Moynalty perhaps?). I say this because it was common practice to be married in the bride's parish. There is a real nice map of the Diocese of Meath at their web site -> http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/index.html You can see the relationship with Kilmore (http://www.kilmorediocese.ie/the-parishes) to get a sense of where the family lived. And if you look here -> http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_place_search_form.php, and search on Rosehill in Cavan, you'll find Philip Feddin in the civil parish of Mullagh. Congrats to you! John -----Original Message----- From: irl-cavan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cavan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Ward Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:41 PM To: irl-cavan-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Feddis, Rosehill, Co. Cavan In the past 4 days we have discovered on the IFHF website considerable information regarding a Philip FEDDIS/FIDDIS/FEDDIN married to Margaret DALY, sometimes in Co. Meath, sometimes in Co. Cavan. The names and dates seem to correspond to some of the known children who immigrated to the US in 1883. Could anyone tell me ANYTHING about a Rosehill in Co. Cavan? Are there still FEDDIS/FIDDIS/FEDDIN living in Co. Cavan? This has been an exciting find, since we've never known where our great-grandmother, Mary/Marie FEDDIS was born, although her parents have "always" been known as Philip Feddis and Margaret Daly. All help/suggestions welcome. Jane Ward ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1683 - Release Date: 9/21/2008 10:10 AM

Jane asks: == Could anyone tell me ANYTHING about a Rosehill in Co. Cavan? == I can help you with this (but not the family stuff, as I don't do any genealogy). There are actually two Rosehills in Co. Cavan. A small one - 56 acres - in the Magh Slecht area of Cavan in the far NW part of the Cavan, is 4 miles SW of Ballyconnell. But I think the Rosehill you want is a larger townland - 795 acres - in the SE of the county in Mullagh civil parish. This townland lies immediately east of Mullagh town/village and fills the corner between it and the Meath border. Rosehill townland has a nearly three-mile-long common border with Co. Meath, so this might explain your information about the family's presence in both counties. I can give you more information on the topography, etc., of Rosehill if you're interested. Just drop me a line. Pete .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

In the past 4 days we have discovered on the IFHF website considerable information regarding a Philip FEDDIS/FIDDIS/FEDDIN married to Margaret DALY, sometimes in Co. Meath, sometimes in Co. Cavan. The names and dates seem to correspond to some of the known children who immigrated to the US in 1883. Could anyone tell me ANYTHING about a Rosehill in Co. Cavan? Are there still FEDDIS/FIDDIS/FEDDIN living in Co. Cavan? This has been an exciting find, since we've never known where our great-grandmother, Mary/Marie FEDDIS was born, although her parents have "always" been known as Philip Feddis and Margaret Daly. All help/suggestions welcome. Jane Ward

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I'd be very grateful if someone could look for the graves of the Thomas F. Johnston family in the Middle Chapel graveyard, near Cootehill. Several in the family were schoolteachers. Thomas was reportedly buried there in 1926 and was predeceased by several of his children, including two Thomases (first died before 1894, second died in 1913), Patrick (died in 1909), Elizabeth (died before 1904), Margaret (died in 1906), and maybe Edward (apparently died between 1906 and 1908). I'm particularly interested in learning when Edward died. If anyone is planning a trip to the area in the future, a lookup would be much appreciated. Diane

Since the Index film for Registrations began in 1864, I thought this marriage could be found before 1878 in Cavan county, or wherever it took place. I checked the INDEX films at the local Family History Center a few years before this and have not yet found the marriage. It could very well have been before 1873 but that's as far back as I got this evening. I did find several Patrick FITZSIMMONs but they never did match with any KIERNANs or similar spelling. There was a tantalizing Frances KIERNAN wed in Mohill [Leitrim county], but no Patrick to match. There has to be a husband/wife match - same parish, same volume and same page number for each name. There's actually a possibility 2 names with the same year, volume and page number are NOT wed to each other, but its pretty remote. Common names make the chances greater for this happening. There are several marriage entries on the same page. That means each name could have wed someone ELSE, not each other. Its happened to me with a county Donegal marriage. The names should have been wed to each other but in that year, they were not....each wed someone else , they just happened to be on the same page. Patrice, do you know an expected year for this marriage ? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ========================== >

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I would do what you can to identify Julia Fitzsimmons in the US. Try to find her in the census records, and perhaps a marriage record. My gggrandmother traveled from Ireland at 16 and stayed with her mother's married sister, so definitely different last names. I used the shipping manifest to get the address she went to, and located the sister's husband in the city directory for those years, to determine his first name, and confirm which family they were in the 1900 census. You might look for Julia and Ann in the passenger manifests, also, and the Kiernans. You want to try to connect the addresses where they were planning to stay. If you have an address for Kiernan and the McCabes, next look at naturalization records, US passport information, WW1 draft cards, etc. Marriage records would be next, if you can get to them. (My relatives were in MA, so this was an easier process, although I originally did all the research at the MA archives.) Susan Daily On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Patrice Schadt <pschadt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > After quite a long time researching, I have finally been able to trace my g. > g. grandparents back to Ireland. In particular, I found the baptismal > record of Fanny Fitzsimons, bp. 30 June 1878 in Killinkere. At that time, > her parents, Patrick Fitzsimons and his wife, Frances Kiernan lived in > Killmore. > > > > I have also found the baptismal record of another daughter, Bridget and the > civil registration of the third daughter, Kate. > > > > On 09 June 1894, the three girls immigrated to the United States. They were > aged 16, 17, and 19. All were shown on the ship manifest as servants. They > ended up in Newark, Essex County, New Jersey. Frances stayed in the > United States, and married James Joseph McFadden on 03 November 1901. My > mother told me that Frances' sisters were in Ireland. I cannot find them in > the 1900 census, and believe that they returned to Ireland by 03 November > 1901 as neither was a witness for their sister's wedding. Supposedly > Frances returned to Ireland to visit the sisters in the 40's. The witness > for the wedding was a Julia Fitzsimons. She was also the baptismal sponsor > for my grandfather. Julia's relationship to Frances is unknown. > > > > It seems odd to me that the girls would leave Ireland at such a young age > and travel alone to a new place and not have some family there. There are a > lot of Fitzsimons families in Newark, but it seems most came many years > before the girls did. My supposition is that Julia is a cousin to Frances > and that her father, was probably a brother to Patrick, and more or less > kept an eye on the girls after they immigrated. > > > > Other names associated in the records of this family are: Michael Kiernan, > Anne Fitzsimons, and Patrick McCabe and Catherine McCabe. > > > > Any thoughts or ideas on how to further identify the correct Fitzsimons and > Kiernan families in Cavan would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > Patrice Houck Schadt > > > > >