Finally met the folk for Mc Partland this weekend.. we now are under the impression, that perhaps George Mc Partland wasnt Roman Catholic when he first came to New Zealand, but married a Roman Catholic and perhaps then changed his religion. As another idea was that as he served with 49th Foot Regiment, this is an English Regiment, would this have been against the grain so to speak for him to be with them? Thank you... any ideas? Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group

Hi Adele, My Cavan ancestor served in the 88th Regiment of Foot, and if your ancestor also served in the British Army, you just may have hit upon a great source of information. I hired a researcher who specialized in these records, and because of that investment, I was able to learn the townland he was born in... something I had no idea about. Pension payout records directed me to the various places he lived & I was able to find the baptism records for several of his children. Without those pension records, I would have been clueless! And, no, it was not uncommon for Irish to join the British Army. Often, it was the only paying job a young man could get, and there were entire regiments made up of Irish despite the fact that few men wanted to "take the King's shilling". Kathy McCabe -----Original Message----- >From: irl-cavan-request@rootsweb.com >Sent: Oct 26, 2008 12:00 AM >To: irl-cavan@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-CAVAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Belturbet (Adele) > 2. 1926 Irish census -- easy to sign petition site (Nancy & Ted) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:18:23 +1300 >From: "Adele" <PentonyGraham@xtra.co.nz> >Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Belturbet >To: <IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <53BF1FE5A6324854BC55347E16877177@IBMKEHH39K> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Finally met the folk for Mc Partland this weekend.. we now are under the impression, that perhaps George Mc Partland wasnt Roman Catholic when he first came to New Zealand, but married a Roman Catholic and perhaps then changed his religion. As another idea was that as he served with 49th Foot Regiment, this is an English Regiment, would this have been against the grain so to speak for him to be with them? > >Thank you... any ideas? > > >Adele Pentony-Graham >Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher >Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group > > >------------------------------

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Thank you both so much for your interest and your suggestions. Fortunately I have Robert's children's names (and his wife Rebecca). And now thanks to your suggestions I have confirmed that there is a Robert Fannin buried at Drung Church of Ireland. I will order a copy of the memorial and from that hope to identify if 'my' Robert is the same guy mentioned in the Anglo-Celt news clipping. If it is then a few family legends may be solved! I'm very grateful that you both took time out to help me on this.

LDS Parish Register Printouts Drung, Co Cavan lists the christenings of many Fannin/Fanon/Fannon/Fannan/Fanning. Amongst these spelling variations the name of parents, Robert and Rebecca (Fanon/Fannon/Fanning) occurs. See the following site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~adrian/LDSBap01.htm A search of the following site also includes a Robert Fannin buried at the Drung Parish Church: http://www.kabristan.org.uk/component/option,com_search/Itemid,5/ Griffiths Valuation of Cavan 1856/57 also includes Fannins of the Drung Parish, Townland of Killymullin. It may be possible that some of Robert's children are listed here.

Can sks please let me know a name and possibly an email address for a local paper which would serve Belturbet area? Many thanks. Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group

Below is an extract from Anglo-Celt. I'm trying to find details of Robert Fannin (wife's name, or children's names) to show whether he is 'my' Robert. I've been unable to find any list of deaths/burials or gravestones which might give me this information. Can anyone help? I am assuming that Killmullen (mentioned in the article) is the same Killymullen (or Killymullin) which shows on some family documents. Thanks and cheers. ANGLO-CELT MAY 12, 1848 BELTURBET (From a Correspondent)--I regret to have to state, that a very melancholy and fatal accident occurred about two miles of this town, on Monday last. As Mr. Robert FANNIN, of Killmullen, his son and daughter and her infant child, was driving his horse and cart down the hill at Parsie schoolhouse, the horse ran away and Mr. FANNIN was violently thrown upon his head, which caused fracture of the skull. The Rev. A. M'CREIGHT, accompanied by Dr. WADE, visited the sufferer in the course of the evening; but the acknowledged superior skill of the latter could not avail, as the brain was pumping through his right ear. On next day he died, deeply regretted by his family, friends, and all who knew him.

Was Fannin a Roman Catholic or a Protestant? Some Catholic Church parishes did record deaths, but not always. Have you been able to figure out if the daughter you know about had an infant born in early 1848 or late 1849? Another thing that you can use to check, is the land records. The cancellation books would show when the land passed on to the next renter, might be within a few years of a death, but at least you could see if there were more than one Fannin family in Killmullen/Killymullin. My mistake, Griffiths Original Valuation was conducted in CountyCavan in 1856-57, and the cancellation books begin from that point on. But you might look to see who was the land owner, and if their land rental records are available somewhere. I was able to obtain the land lease records for my landholder in County Leitrim. Best wishes, Susan Daily On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM, wahrlich <rohanbeth@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Below is an extract from Anglo-Celt. I'm trying to find details of Robert > Fannin (wife's name, or children's names) to show whether he is 'my' Robert. > I've been unable to find any list of deaths/burials or gravestones which > might give me this information. Can anyone help? I am assuming that > Killmullen (mentioned in the article) is the same Killymullen (or > Killymullin) which shows on some family documents. Thanks and cheers. > > > > ANGLO-CELT MAY 12, 1848 > > BELTURBET (From a Correspondent)--I regret to have to state, that > a very melancholy and fatal accident occurred about two miles of this > town, on Monday last. As Mr. Robert FANNIN, of Killmullen, his son > and daughter and her infant child, was driving his horse and cart down > the hill at Parsie schoolhouse, the horse ran away and Mr. FANNIN > was violently thrown upon his head, which caused fracture of the skull. > The Rev. A. M'CREIGHT, accompanied by Dr. WADE, visited the sufferer > in the course of the evening; but the acknowledged superior skill of the > latter could not avail, as the brain was pumping through his right ear. > On next day he died, deeply regretted by his family, friends, and all > who knew him. > > >

You might try the Anglo Celt. http://www.anglocelt.ie/contact John -----Original Message----- From: irl-cavan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-cavan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adele Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:06 AM To: IRL-CAVAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] belturbet Can sks please let me know a name and possibly an email address for a local paper which would serve Belturbet area? Many thanks. Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM

Cornacarrow 175 Cavan Tullygarvey Drumgoon Cootehill Ulster Cornacarrow 122 Cavan Tullygarvey Drung Cootehill Ulster Hi again, I know it is probably hard to see this..........but the name of the townland is: Cornacarrow as in corn. Actually there are two townlands with the same name, but each in a separate Civil Parish: 1. Drumgoon [Cootehill] 2. Drung Patricia

Patrice, Thank you. Is it possible  that Connacarrow & Connagarrow are one & the same? Carrie  ----- Original Message ---- From: otterkey <otterkey@msn.com> To: Cavan List <IRL-CAVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:51:36 PM Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Map Question - Discovery Series 35       Cornacarrow  175 Cavan Tullygarvey Drumgoon Cootehill Ulster       Cornacarrow  122 Cavan Tullygarvey Drung Cootehill Ulster Patrice, Does Connagarrow appear on your County Cavan Map? I have been unable to locate it. Thank you, CarrieH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Our great-great grandparents, Philip Feddis and Margaret Daly had several children baptized in the Rosehill area of Mullagh, 1861-1877. The children's godparents/ sponsors have the above surnames. Hoping to connect with descendants of the Daly, Goldrick, Ingoldsby, Martin, Reilly and/or Markey families in the Mullagh/Rosehill areas. Sponsors would have been adults at the time of the baptism. Jane Ward, Michigan, USA

Does anyone know what the process was for conversion from Presbyterianism to Catholicism in the mid-19th century? Family lore has it that my grgrandmother Julia Johnston was a convert. She married my grgrandfather from Co. Cavan at St. Joseph's in Carrickmacross in 1860, so she was likely a Catholic by that time. The filmed CMX records go back only to 1858 and don't show her baptism. I'm wondering if she converted before 1858 or if baptism was not required to convert. (One of her brothers had a Catholic funeral in 1857 in Aug. East and another a Catholic baptism in 1858, followed by many Catholic marriages, so it appears the entire family became Catholic, though I don't know if this happened one by one.) Any light people can shed on this process would be greatly appreciated! Diane ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Our family has a marraige of Felix McCabe to Margaret Ellen Farley, daughter of Michael and Margaret Farley in 1861 in Brooklyn, NY. Felix McCabe had been born on September 20, 1838 in the area of Virginia or Kings Court in Count Cavan. Most of their children were baptized at the Visitation Church in Brooklyn. Regards, Joan McCabe Reynolds **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Suggestion'.......To put it simply 1:50,000 Each square on the map is 2cm and this equals 1 kilometre/kilometer on the ground. so measure the distance on the map with a ruler and multiply by 2 to get the distance in kilometers. HTH Lyn brown in Griffith NSW PS a larger scale map will show more detail of the area.ie. 1:25,000 On 13/10/2008, at 4:03 PM, Scott R. C. Anderson wrote: >> From: Patrice Schadt <pschadt@tampabay.rr.com> >> Sent: Oct 12, 2008 3:53 PM MT >> >> My map skills being what they are, prompt me to ask for some >> clarification. >> The legend shows 1:50 000. Is that 1" = 50 miles or kilometers? >> What do >> the three 0's mean after the fifty? Is each grid 50 square miles >> or 50 >> square kilometers? > > 1:50 000 means that one of any unit on the map corresponds to 50,000 > of the same unit on the ground. The space between 50 and 000 is just > another way to group zeros (we primarily use commas in the U.S., the > Brits primarily use periods). So > > 1" = 50,000" > * (1'/12") * (1 mi/5280') > = 0.78 mi > > What is linear dimension of the grid squares? Measure that with a > ruler, and apply the above conversion to it, and that will tell you > how many miles square it is. Then square it, and that will tell you > how many square miles it is. For example, if each grid square is > 0.64" on a side, then that would be: > > 0.64" > * (0.78 mi/1") > = 0.5 mi > > So each grid square would be 0.5 mi square, or 0.25 square miles. > > Scott > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CAVAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Will all of you Galligan connections remember me in connection to this McGivney family below? Several of us researching this family feel that the name is Not Gallagher (as submitted), but Galligan, since there are no Gallaghers in the area in this time frame, but there are Galligans. These people would have come from the Drumbee area in Rosa Galligan's time, and thereabouts afterwards, such as Tonylion, Kilnaleck, Crosserlough, Coolkill. Rosa was the grandmother of the Knights of Columbus founder, Fr. Michael Joseph McGivney, generation 3. Descendants of Nicholas McGivney 1 Nicholas McGivney .. +Rosa Gallagher (or Galligan???) ......... 2 Nicholas McGivney ............. +Catherine McGivney .................... 3 Rose McGivney ........................ +Unknown Commerford .................... 3 Patrick McGivney .................... 3 Catherine McGivney .................... 3 Philip McGivney 1858 - 1908 ........................ +Mary Ann Derwin or Duffy 1867 - 1904 ......... 2 Patrick Mcgivney 1835 - 1873 ............. +Mary Lynch 1834 - 1888 .................... 3 Michael Joseph McGivney 1852 - 1890 .................... 3 Catharine McGivney 1860 - 1861 .................... 3 Mary Ann McGivney 1853 - 1927 ........................ +Michael J. Lawlor .................... 3 James McGivney 1864 - 1864 .................... 3 Rosanna McGivney 1856 - 1923 ........................ +Edward J. Finn .................... 3 Patrick McGivney 1863 - 1863 .................... 3 Margaret McGivney 1858 - 1931 ........................ +James Dwyer .................... 3 Anna McGivney 1866 - 1944 .................... 3 Charles McGivney 1872 - 1872 .................... 3 Patrick James McGivney 1867 - 1928 .................... 3 Francis McGivney 1869 - 1869 .................... 3 John J. McGivney 1870 - 1939 .................... 3 Unknown McGivney 1872 - ......... 2 Michael McGivney ......... 2 Mary McGivney ............. +Bernard Commerford .................... 3 Bridget Commerford ........................ +Unknown Thompson .................... 3 James Commerford 1905 - .................... 3 Nicholas Commerford - 1897 ........................ +Ellen Murphy 1870 - 1924 ......... 2 Catherine McGivney ............. +Unknown Comerford .................... 3 Margaret Comerford 1865 - 1940 ........................ +John Boylan 1859 - 1908 .................... 3 Catherine Comerford (Comiskey) 1865 - 1932 ........................ +Thomas Scadden .................... 3 Mary Comerford 1865 - 1931 ........................ +Patrick Donnelly .................... 3 Ellen Comerford (Comiskey) ........................ +Unknown Casey .................... 3 Rose Comerford (Comiskey) ........................ +Unknown Thompson .................... 3 Nicholas Comerford (Comiskey) ........................ +Mary Unknown .................... 3 Bridget Comerford (Comiskey) ........................ +Barney Coyle ......... 2 Andrew McGivney ............. +Margaret Briordy .................... 3 Peter McGivney 1852 - 1925 ........................ +Marie Smith .................... 3 Andrew McGivney .................... 3 Catrherine McGivney .................... 3 Terence McGivney .................... 3 Rose Anne McGivney .................... 3 Margaret McGivney

Thank you folks, have sent the photograph to the person requesting it, have put a message on our NZ site seeing if I can learn what happened to his widow.. as its a double plot.. Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group

Thank you very much to all that responded to my request for help with regard to the Discovery Map. I appreciate your efforts. Patrice Schadt

Carrie, == Does Connagarrow appear on your County Cavan Map? I have been unable to locate it. == A corner of Cornacarrow (Drung civil parish) is shown at the very top left corner of map 35. The name is there, right in the corner. More of the townland area is shown on Disc. map 28A, just a mile ESE of Drung village (at the bottom of the map). The Drumgoon Cornacarrow is also on map 28A, immediately SW of Cootehill town. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

Patrice, It appears that your general questions about the map have already been answered. One further point....at the very bottom of the map, there are the linear scales for measuring in miles or kilometers. On mile is about an inch and a quarter. Now, to a couple of specific questions: == my Kiernan and Fitzsimons family were from Kilmore, and I find a marriage record for a person I believe to be a sibling, but it shows they reside in Coratinner, or Shamaqwerty or even Drumagolan. On the map it appears that these locations are in fairly close proximity to one another. == They are "fairly close"....in fact, including the townland of Kilmore, they all form a row of townlands with common borders. Corratinner townland is about two and a half miles north of Virginia town, and includes the RC church in the village of Kilinkere. The other townlands form a string to the WSW. Kilmore has a half-mile-long border with Corratinner. Then next, with another half-mile border, is Stramaquerty townland. To its west and SSW, with a nearly half-mile border, is Drumagolan. The actual townland boundaries are not shown on the Discovery map, as you realize. This information is from another set of maps - the Townland Index maps, which are not so readily available. == several times on different ancestor charts I find Kilmore referred to as follows: Kilmore, Virginia, Cavan, Ireland. What is the significance of Virginia? == There are so many townlands in each county (over 2000 in Cavan, alone) that addresses usually include the name of the nearest large (relatively) town and/or post office. With the above four townlands, they are all within 3 miles of Virginia town. If you have any further questions, feel free to drop me a line. I'm off to visit my parents for a few days now, however, and won't be back until the end of the week. Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>