( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous posting, mick ). In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, miracles were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini prophecies". [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of the heretics would begin. Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction cured. Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was sometimes referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".]

last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain Rock to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not February 1820. On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous > posting, mick ). > In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury > to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - > 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, miracles > were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. > The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of > Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were > offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports > of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > prophecies". > [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - > According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( > Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" > as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of > the heretics would begin. > Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February > 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine > landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian > royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and > became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to > pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction > cured. > Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was sometimes > referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] >

Thanks again for this Mick. It's amazing how much that troubled period of 1820-1823 has come to life in these pages. If Captain Rock posted his handbills in Feb 1822, that was just after the Finnegan gang attacked the Rev. Le Poer Trench and the Carlow Gentry had formed a subscription offering a reward for the ‘Discovery of the Perpetrators of the Various Outrages’ etc. And in April 1822, the Rev. Fr. Martin Doyle P.P. Clonegal informed the authorities that he had information that would lead to the arrest of the Gang. I wonder if the Finnegans and Captain Rock were in cahoots, if not the same people? Do the handbills name all nine heretic landlords and if so, would it be possible to see the other eight? Cheerio for now, Turtle Turtle Bunbury www.turtlebunbury.com Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury On 25 Jun 2012, at 21:31, michael purcell wrote: > last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but > convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain > Rock to > the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not > February > 1820. > > On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous >> posting, mick ). >> In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord >> Norbury >> to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". >> Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland >> 1800 - >> 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- >> " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, >> miracles >> were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting >> Ireland. >> The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were >> publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop >> Murray of >> Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings >> were >> offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. >> Reports >> of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini >> prophecies". >> [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - >> According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret >> society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the >> prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. >> Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all >> heretics ( >> Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of >> 1826" >> as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" >> The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the >> massacre of >> the heretics would begin. >> Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February >> 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine >> landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". >> Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the >> Bavarian >> royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church >> and >> became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. >> He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling >> believers to >> pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their >> affliction >> cured. >> Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was >> sometimes >> referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

The Rathvilly Gang were only out for themselves...there was no mention of secret societies at their trial in July 1822 before Lord Norbury in Carlow, but, depending on who they were dealing with or what level of fear they were inspired to arouse, I am sure the gang often claimed they were representing - Moll Doyles / Whiteboys / Ribbonmen / Rockites / Whitefeet / Carders / Blackfeet / Caravats / Shanavests / Black Hens / Three Year Olds / Four Year Olds / Magpies or any of the other "secret societys' that were terrorising the countryside during this period....I will soon post extract from 1822 Captain Rock notice to the "Heritic Landlords of Carlow". On 25 June 2012 22:05, Turtle Bunbury <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks again for this Mick. It's amazing how much that troubled period > of 1820-1823 has come to life in these pages. If Captain Rock posted > his handbills in Feb 1822, that was just after the Finnegan gang > attacked the Rev. Le Poer Trench and the Carlow Gentry had formed a > subscription offering a reward for the ‘Discovery of the Perpetrators > of the Various Outrages’ etc. And in April 1822, the Rev. Fr. Martin > Doyle P.P. Clonegal informed the authorities that he had information > that would lead to the arrest of the Gang. I wonder if the Finnegans > and Captain Rock were in cahoots, if not the same people? > > Do the handbills name all nine heretic landlords and if so, would it > be possible to see the other eight? > > Cheerio for now, > > Turtle > > > Turtle Bunbury > www.turtlebunbury.com > > Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > > > Mob: + 353 - (0) 87 - 6453 486 Skype: turtle1847 > www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > On 25 Jun 2012, at 21:31, michael purcell wrote: > > > last correction to this post - difficult to make out the writing but > > convinced now that the date on the threatening notice from Captain > > Rock to > > the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" should read February 1822 not > > February > > 1820. > > > > On 25 June 2012 20:54, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> ( sorry for posting this again but there was an error in the previous > >> posting, mick ). > >> In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord > >> Norbury > >> to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > >> Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland > >> 1800 - > >> 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > >> " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini, > >> miracles > >> were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting > >> Ireland. > >> The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > >> publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop > >> Murray of > >> Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings > >> were > >> offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. > >> Reports > >> of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > >> prophecies". > >> [ Note added by Michael Purcell 2012 - > >> According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > >> society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > >> prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > >> Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all > >> heretics ( > >> Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of > >> 1826" > >> as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > >> The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the > >> massacre of > >> the heretics would begin. > >> Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February > >> 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine > >> landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > >> Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the > >> Bavarian > >> royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church > >> and > >> became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > >> He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling > >> believers to > >> pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their > >> affliction > >> cured. > >> Pastorini translated from Italian as "the little pastor" was > >> sometimes > >> referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the little bastard".] > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know anything about a lady called Elizabeth Ellenora Widdup? In 1874, she sold a lot of land in Co. Carlow at the Landed Esates Court at the Four Courts in Dublin. They were sold as part of an enclosed lot of 890 ‘good quality, well-watered, judiciously divided and fenced’ acres that also included the village of Kildavin and the lands of Lackabeg, Ballyshancarragh (part of Huntingdon manor) and Crowsgrove.[i] Am interested in her or any connections to the Doyle family of Lackabeg. Many thanks, Turtle [i] The Irish Times, Wednesday, December 31, 1873, p. 7.