[ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin Evening Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, robbers and murderers but not rebels" The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating during this period. They were feared by most of the population. In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page 93) we read for the period 1821 : "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had offended against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a house in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman and tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries and her mother died a few days later from shock. ". Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. Pat Purcell Papers. 1820. The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two and three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the dwelling house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a pary of men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end wall. Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and Patrick Neill sons of Michael Neill. Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to where Anne McGrath stood ; Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an iron crow bar ; Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general huzza for Moll Doyle. They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had been nursing for her ; and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room , the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to throw in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath believes, of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered that they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party departed [ page torn ] . Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on Monday morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had been obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully removed from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon..

Thank you Lisa, very interesting, when did the Moll Doyles disband ?. > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:37:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1820, McGrath+Bryan, Neill, Barron, Holmes (Moll Doyles).Dillon > > [ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the > following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local > members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin Evening > Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, robbers > and murderers but not rebels" > The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating during > this period. > They were feared by most of the population. > In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page 93) > we read for the period 1821 : > "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in > Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had offended > against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a house > in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman and > tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries and > her mother died a few days later from shock. ". > Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. > Pat Purcell Papers. > 1820. > The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, James > Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) > The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. > Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two and > three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the dwelling > house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a pary of > men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end wall. > Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; > shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and Patrick > Neill sons of Michael Neill. > Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and > Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to where > Anne McGrath stood ; > Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an iron > crow bar ; > Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her > father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general huzza > for Moll Doyle. > They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing > which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took > shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had been > nursing for her ; > and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room , > the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to throw > in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the > upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath believes, > of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered that > they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party departed [ > page torn ] . > Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the > house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on Monday > morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had been > obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been > maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully removed > from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. > Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon.. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Hanging Judge, Lord Norbury, claimed some of the credit for breaking up the Moll Doyles as we learn from a recent posting from Turtle Bunbury - - The Times, July 28, 1823, p. 2: LORD NORBURY AND THE IRISH MIRACLE.- At the opening of the Queen's County Assizes, Lord Norbury, in charging the Grand Jury, alluded to the recent miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in that county. " If," said his Lordship, " a female has been brought to the recovery of her speech in this county, God be praised but as great a miracle has been performed in another county (Carlow), where Moll Doyle has been made perfectly silent !" (Shouts of laughter.). He was glad to see even the humblest men in the community laugh when he talked of " the miracle!" On 21 June 2012 12:10, ron medulison <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Lisa, very interesting, when did the Moll Doyles disband ?. > > > > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:37:51 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1820, McGrath+Bryan, Neill, Barron, Holmes (Moll > Doyles).Dillon > > > > [ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the > > following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local > > members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin > Evening > > Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, robbers > > and murderers but not rebels" > > The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating during > > this period. > > They were feared by most of the population. > > In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page > 93) > > we read for the period 1821 : > > "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in > > Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had > offended > > against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a house > > in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman and > > tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries and > > her mother died a few days later from shock. ". > > Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. > > Pat Purcell Papers. > > 1820. > > The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, > James > > Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) > > The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. > > Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two and > > three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the > dwelling > > house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a pary > of > > men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end wall. > > Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; > > shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and > Patrick > > Neill sons of Michael Neill. > > Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and > > Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to where > > Anne McGrath stood ; > > Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an > iron > > crow bar ; > > Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her > > father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general > huzza > > for Moll Doyle. > > They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing > > which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took > > shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had been > > nursing for her ; > > and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room , > > the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to throw > > in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the > > upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath believes, > > of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered > that > > they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party > departed [ > > page torn ] . > > Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the > > house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on Monday > > morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had been > > obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been > > maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully > removed > > from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. > > Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon.. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >