should read : - "Among the PPP there are two warning notices, dated February 1820, addressed to the "Heretic Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". On 25 June 2012 20:38, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > In the recent post from Turtle Bunbury reference was made by Lord Norbury > to "the miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed in the Queen's county". > Donal McCartney in his book "The Dawning of Democracy : Ireland 1800 - > 1870", ( page 101 ) writes;- > " In the height of the fever about the prophecies of Pastorini,miracles > were ascribed to Prince Hohenloe, a German priest who was visiting Ireland. > The miracles ( one woman was said to have recovered her speech ) were > publicised by Bishop Doyle of Kildare and Leighlin and Archbishop Murray of > Dublin in whose diocese the miracles were reported. Thanksgivings were > offered in the churches, and at Ennis a high mass was celebrated. Reports > of the miraculous cures seemed to confirm the truth of the Pastorini > prophecies". > According to the Michael Brophy research notes in the PPP the secret > society of "Captain Rock" were trying to convince the people that the > prophecies of Pastorini had special significance for Ireland. > Handbills were distributed by "The Rockites" stating that "all heretics ( > Protestants ) would be eliminated in Ireland "before the dawning of 1826" > as prophesied by "Signor Pastorini" > The date 25th December 1824 was believed to be the date the massacre of > the heretics would begin. > Among the PPP there are two warning notices addressed to the "Heretic > Landlords of Carlow" ( naming nine landlords including Benjamin > Bunbury ) signed by "Captain Rock". > Born in 1771, Prince Alexander of Hohenloe was a member of the Bavarian > royal family, he was ordained a priest in the Roman Catholic Church and > became famous throughout Europe as a miracle worker. > He preformed many of his " miracles" by appointment, telling believers to > pray at a certain time on a certain date in order to have their affliction > cured. > [ Note added 2012 - Pastorini translated from Italian as "little > pastor" was sometimes referred to by the authorities in Ireland as "the > little bastard".] > > > > > > On 21 June 2012 12:32, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Hanging Judge, Lord Norbury, claimed some of the credit for breaking >> up the Moll Doyles as we learn from a recent posting from Turtle Bunbury - - >> The Times, July 28, 1823, p. 2: >> LORD NORBURY AND THE IRISH MIRACLE.- >> At the opening of the Queen's County Assizes, Lord Norbury, in charging >> the Grand Jury, alluded to the recent miracle of Prince Hohenloe performed >> in that county. >> " If," said his Lordship, " a female has been brought to the recovery of >> her speech in this county, God be praised but as great a miracle has been >> performed in another county (Carlow), where Moll Doyle has been made >> perfectly silent !" (Shouts of laughter.). >> He was glad to see even the humblest men in the community laugh when he >> talked of " the miracle!" >> >> On 21 June 2012 12:10, ron medulison <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Thank you Lisa, very interesting, when did the Moll Doyles disband ?. >>> >>> >>> > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:37:51 +0100 >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1820, McGrath+Bryan, Neill, Barron, Holmes (Moll >>> Doyles).Dillon >>> > >>> > [ Note added 2012 . There is reference to "huzza for Moll Doyle" in the >>> > following report - obviously the McGrath family have upset some local >>> > members of this "Secret Society" -. which according to the " Dublin >>> Evening >>> > Post" members of the Moll Doyles were considered to be "burglars, >>> robbers >>> > and murderers but not rebels" >>> > The "Moll Doyles" were one of the many secret societies operating >>> during >>> > this period. >>> > They were feared by most of the population. >>> > In Donal McCartney's book "The Dawning of Democracy 1800 - 1870" (page >>> 93) >>> > we read for the period 1821 : >>> > "A group calling itself the "Moll Doyles" was appearing in arms in >>> > Rathvilly, Co. Carlow, and attacking the houses of tenants who had >>> offended >>> > against their agrarian code. A gang of thirty or forty had burned a >>> house >>> > in King's County, shot a man, driven a bayonet in the eye of a woman >>> and >>> > tried to cut out her tongue - she died the next day from her injuries >>> and >>> > her mother died a few days later from shock. ". >>> > Transcribed and checked by Lisa Shaw, June 2012. >>> > Pat Purcell Papers. >>> > 1820. >>> > The King against John Neill, Pat Neill, Philip Neill, Philip Barron, >>> James >>> > Bryan, and Robert Holmes. (Spring Assizes 1820.) >>> > The Information of Anne McGrath of Drumphea in Carlow, Spinster. >>> > Who being duly sworn and examined saith that between the hours of two >>> and >>> > three o'clock on Sunday morning, last, the 20th February 1820, the >>> dwelling >>> > house of her father / John McGrath / at Drumphea was attacked by a >>> pary of >>> > men who commenced by forcing the stones out of the lower gable end >>> wall. >>> > Anne McGrath got up out of bed, went to the kitchen and lit a candle ; >>> > shortly afterwards a break was made in the house and John Neill and >>> Patrick >>> > Neill sons of Michael Neill. >>> > Philip Neill son to the widow Neill, Philip Barron, James Bryan and >>> > Robert Holmes all of Drumphea, entered the house and approached to >>> where >>> > Anne McGrath stood ; >>> > Philip Neill and James Bryan with hand pikes and Philip Barron with an >>> iron >>> > crow bar ; >>> > Anne McGrath entreated of them to spare her and her mother's life / her >>> > father was away from home / and the answer she received was a general >>> huzza >>> > for Moll Doyle. >>> > They drove Anne back into the bed room by throwing stones and a ribbing >>> > which had formed part of the roof of the house, at her ; where she took >>> > shelter under the bed, bringing with her a child that her mother had >>> been >>> > nursing for her ; >>> > and her mother sought protection in a cupboard in the wall of the room >>> , >>> > the attacking party then proceeded from the outside of the house to >>> throw >>> > in the adjoining gable end wall and cast the stones of five feet of the >>> > upper part of it into the room, for the purpose as Anne McGrath >>> believes, >>> > of burying her and her mother under the ruins and when they considered >>> that >>> > they had sufficiently effected their object, the attacking party >>> departed [ >>> > page torn ] . >>> > Anne McGrath and her mother got permission to shelter themselves in the >>> > house of Patrick Doyle contiguous to their own house and early on >>> Monday >>> > morning when Anne McGrath got up she saw the dwelling house she had >>> been >>> > obliged to desert, in flames nearly consumed which must have been >>> > maliciously set on fire as she had on the evening before carefully >>> removed >>> > from it every vestige of fire ~~ (signed) Ann McGrath. >>> > Sworn before me this 22nd February 1820 (signed) Frances Dillon.. >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >