Dee, Thank you for your feedback which is always welcome. As regards your own family quest, I did a quick search on my computer files and came across an interesting fact which you may want to follow up. It relates to "British Regiments in Canada" and on the webpage I found the following entry. " 66th Rgmnt. of Foot: Ring-Swift 1760-1854 FHL Film 898292 " ... in other words there was at least one "Ring" family member served in the British military sometime between 1760 and 1854. You may want to follow-up this lead as it may be the key to explaining the “Ring” family connection to Northern Ireland. To give an example I know that, in the early 1800s, at the outset of the Napoleonic wars, a Thomas Peter Nowland from Co. Carlow who was studying for the priesthood in Northern Ireland was abducted while working in the fields during summer holidays and impressed into the British Navy. From what I have determined so far it would appear that he served in Atlantic Canada and sometime along the way married someone from Co. Antrim and, after his release from the Navy, in 1815 returned to Ireland and settled in Co. Antrim (where his wife was born). A son named Peter later emigrated to the US in the 1830s and settled in Northern, New York, where, I believe an uncle by the name of James Nowland had settled earlier around 1815. Bye for now and thanks again for your feedback. We can all learn from it. Who knows what tidbit of information may be the key to a door through someones brick wall. Bye for now and best regards, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, Byrne,Barron, N... A few comments myself..............Not to contradict the very knowledgeable Roger, who has done so much research on the Nolans, however, there is a Michael Kavanaugh in my family from St. Mullins. This family might as well be ghosts for what I know of them, but I do know that Michael Kavanaugh married Anne Sherwood and had a daughter, Elizabeth, born on January 09, 1864 in Tinnahinch, St. Mullins. Obviously hard to know if it was the Michael Kavanaugh referred to here, but the dates are at least possible, if not probable. There seemed to be Kavanaughs thick on the ground in the area. In addition, Elizabeth Kavanaugh married Michael Ring in the US, but he was from Tinnahinch, St. Mullins also. They might have known one another in Ireland before they came over. His father was Michael Ring and mother Bridget Coady, all in St. Mullins. These names almost never come up on this site, but I live in hopes. One verrry kind person helped me with the Coadys, but the families are still a very tall brick wall, because of the time frame in registering marriages and births, and because of the commonness of the names. If anyone can help out here I'd LOVE to know more about this line of the family, but thought my info might also be helpful to you. Can't wait to read the next installment. Dee Ring In a message dated 5/11/2012 3:12:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Roger and readers, this case gets very complicated as you will find out in my next posting, consisting of four pages it will contradict every line of this Examination in August 1818 of Edward Murphy by Benjamin Bunbury at Carlow Court House.. On 11 May 2012 19:58, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a few comments! > > Based upon other geographical information in the transcription I would say > that the Ballyellin referred to here is the one in Co. Carlow, across the > river from Goresbridge. There is also another part of Ballyellin closer to > Ballon (Killane and Raheenkillane townlands area) but, given the mention of > St. Mullins it is evident that the Ballyellin mentioned here is the one > across the river from Goresbridge. > > In the account of events described below, Peter Doyle was offered money to > fetch several Kavanaghs and a James Nowlan, all of the Barony of St. > Mullins, from St. Mullins mentioned. At this point one may be tempted to > assume that these men were from St. Mullins, however, in my opinion, I > believe that St. Mullins was merely a point of assembly. Ballyellin (at > least this part) is in the Barony of St. Mullins and I believe that the > James Nowlan mentioned was also from the Ballyellin area (more specifically > the Ballyellin-Tomdarragh area; essentially just south of the > "Crossroads"). The Kavanaghs mentioned in the account were likely from the > Borris area where they are more numerous. > > Supporting my conjecture about the above-mentioned James Nowlan is the > fact that during my trip to counties Carlow and Kilkenny last Fall I met > with a Nolan family from the Goresbridge area which traced its ancestry in > the early 1800s to the Ballyellin area. > > In my own family research, one line of investigation is that my ancestor > James Nowlan (who married Mary Shortall in Ballon in 1793) may have moved > to the Ballyellin area after the troubles of 1798. In the mid-1700s a > Rev. Michael Shortall had been parish priest in Ballon and, at his death, > in the 1790s, he was buried "with his ancestors" in Ballyellin. I believe > that my maternal ancestor Mary Shortall was related to this line of > Shortalls from the Ballyellin-Goresbridge area and that the family decision > to move to the Ballyellin area would have been be one based upon having > family ties in the area. > > Besides the two brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick in 1818 (Peter > born circa 1796 and Edward born circa 1798), two other tentative children > of the James Nowlan identified in the transcription below would have been > the Thomas Nolan (c1797-1861) and James Nolan (c1800-1846) buried in the > Goresbridge cemetery. Here is the transcription for their tombstone: > " > Here lie the remains of > JAMES NOLAN late of Goresbridge > who departed this life on the 18th > January 1846 in the 46th year of his age. > This stone is erected to his memory by > his beloved wife MARY NOLAN alias KELLY. > Also his Brother THOMAS NOLAN > who departed this life the > 4th of August, 1861, aged 64 years. > Also the above named MARY NOLAN > who dep'd this life Nov'r 21st 1877, > aged 67 years. > Also ELLEN NOLAN alias FITZGERALD > who died Jan'y 24th 1895, > aged 44 yrs. > Also ANNE & PATRICK, > Children of the above named > ELLEN NOLAN died young. > R.I.P. > " > [RN: Based upon onsite research I know this family originally hailed from > the Ballyellin area.] > > Another interesting observation is the fact that the incident reported in > the transcription happened in April 1817. > The two Nowlan brothers who emigrated to New Brunswick did so around 1818. > > Another piece of circumstantial evidence > linking the Goresbridge Nolans to my line > is the fact that my emigrant ancestor Peter named his children in order: > * Thomas (presumably after the child's great-grandfather and also possibly > an uncle) > * John (after the child's maternal grandfather) > * William James (after the child's grandfather namely "James", also > possibly an uncle > and possibly after an uncle "William") > * Pierre/Peter (after the child's father) > > Well that’s about it. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael purcell > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1818. Murphy, Doyle, Kavanagh, Nail, Doran, > Byrne,Barron, Nowlan, Bunbury. > > By Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, one of His Majesties Justices of the Peace > for Carlow. > THE Examination of Edward Murphy of Ballyellen, Farmer, who being this day > Duly Sworn on the Holy Evangelists Deposeth and Saith that on the 17th > April 1817 he was desired by Peter Doyle of Ballyellen, Carpenter, to > collect Threatening Notice papers to the effect that persons should not > rent or lease the farm of David Barron, Farmer, of Ballyellen, then out of > Lease and for renewal of which lands Walter Blakney, Esquire, of Ballyellen > House was Landlord, Peter Doyle expressed his desire to have the > Threatening Papers attached to the Chapel Gates in the area and at the > Cross Roads threatening Death to any person who would take the Lease of the > aforesaid lands. > That about four days after meeting Peter Doyle, he was sought out again by > Doyle who then and there gave him a Crown Sterling and desired him to go to > Saint Mullins to meet with some men to bring to Ballyellen, the names of > which were Thomas Kavanagh, Michael Kavanagh, Miley Kavanagh, Patrick > Doran, Hugh Nail, James Byrne and James Nowlan all of the Barony of Saint > Mullins, Farmers, for the intention of attacking Ballyellen House and by > fire consume the property, Peter Doyle told Edward Murphy that each > man would be paid a Crown Sterling and whatever Chattles and Yokes they > could remove from the House and out-Buildings could be divided among > themselves. > That they should approach the House at ten of the Clock after sunset at > which time Walter Blakney would be in the Palour as was his custom to be so > there and that Peter Doyle had a Pistol and a tin of Gunpowder which he > would give to Edward Murphy with encouragement that he was to shoot the > Bastard Blakney dead as he sat in the Palour and Burn the House, following > which no man would then take the Lands at Ballyellen and the Lands of right > belong from father to son of the Doyles for over one hundred years before > taken from them by David Barron a common rascal of low order and the > aforesaid Lands would be restored to the Doyles once Blakney was in the Pit > of Hell. > Edward Murphy Saith that he heard out Peter Doyle in order to know his > Wicked intent in order that he would Swear Information before the > Magistrates in Open Court against a dangerous Lunatic and Evil man such as > Peter Doyle amongst the Subjects of our most Sovereign Lord, George the > Third, King and so Forth. > And Edward Murphy further Saith Naught ~(signed) Edward Murphy. > Sworn before me this 10th Day of August 1818 (signed) Benjamin Bunbury. > Taken and Acknowledged by Benjamin Bunbury, Esquire, One of His Majesties > Justices of the Peace, before the Clerk of the Peace at the Court House at > Carlow Town and conveyed to Walter Blakney, Esquire, by immediate dispatch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message