Thanks Anna, Someone once mentioned to me that the name Clowry came up on the Ardal O Hanlon "who do you think you are" programme but I could be wrong. Here's the programme: http://www.rte.ie/tv/whodoyouthinkyouare/s1/outline_ardal-ohanlon.html I will try and watch it next time it is on. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 May 2012 12:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, Cornwall. these colliers are related to the comedian ardel o'hanlon on his mother's side and a lot of information is on his "who do you think you are?" programme. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 7 May, 2012 12:11:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, Cornwall. Clowry and Crowe are signing as bondsmen to guarantee that Margaret Neale will appear in Court and prosecute Robert Collier in open court. This method was used to make sure people did not make false charges against another and having made charges that they would appear in court to press the charges. In this case it would appear that Robert Collier was not convicted. On 7 May 2012 11:51, Trevor Clowry <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know why Patrick Clowry was mentioned in this article? > Trevor > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of michael purcell > Sent: 06 May 2012 18:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, > Cornwall. > > Correction Sue, it appears that Patrick Fenelon Collier emigrated with his > parents, Robert and Catherine Collier to New York in 1866 not 1874 as I > stated . I missed a page in Pat's notes on the Collier family. > > On 6 May 2012 16:44, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes Sue the same Collier family. > > Abel Collier was grandfather to Patrick Fenelon Collier, Robert who was > > charged with Rape in 1827 was his father. > > It would appear that the claim made by Margaret Neale on her > "Information" > > sheet did not succeed in Court. > > From notes in the PPP :- > > Patrick Fenelon Collier married Catherine Dunne in 1873, a niece of > Bishop > > Comerford, he left Myshall for the United States in 1874, in 1880 founded > > his own printing firm in New York, within a few years it had the capacity > > to produce 25,000 books a day, at one stage his firm employed 800 people > > with nearly 100 branches throughout the United States. > > In later years Patrick was a regular visitor to Ireland, he rented out > > Killeen Castle and rode to the hounds with the Royal Meath Hunt. > > During his life Patrick presented 1,000 books to the Carlow Young Mens' > > Society and 1,000 books to Leighlinbridge Library. For many years the > > Collier Cup was presented by the Carlow Agricultural Society. > > Patrick died in April 1909, at the time of his death his firm had sold > > over 50,000,000 books, the Collier Publishing Company was later > > incorporated to Macmillan & Co. > > > > > > > > On 6 May 2012 14:53, Sue Clement <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Very interesting. I wish we had the outcome of the case. I think this > >> could > >> possibly be the Robert Collier who was father of Peter Fenlon Collier, > b. > >> Myshall 1849, d. New York City 1909. PF Collier was the publisher of > >> Collier's Weekly magazine in New York. He was first cousin to John > Fenlon > >> who married into my Aughney relatives. Robert Collier of Myshall married > >> Catherine Fenlon, and I have record of two children - Anne bap Myshall > >> parish 1849, and Peter. Robert Collier of Myshall gave a recognizance > bond > >> for Mary Tracey of Rathnegeerath, February 1836 (from the PPP). > >> > >> Sue > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael purcell > >> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:01 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, > >> Cornwall. > >> > >> [ Note added 2012 - unusual submission from the PPP in that we have the > >> Information statement , Recognizance to Prosecute sheet and Recognizance > >> of > >> £20 guaranteeing that Margaret Neale shall appear in Open Court to press > >> charges against Robert Collier. > >> A very serious charge against Robert as at this time Rape was punishable > >> by > >> death or transportation. > >> The only thing missing is the verdict. ] Pat Purcell Papers. > >> 1827. > >> The Information of Margaret Neale of Myshall, Carlow, Spinster, taken > >> before > >> me one of His Majestys Justices of the Peace for Carlow. > >> Margaret Neale who being duly sworn on the Holy Evaneglists Saith that > on > >> Sunday Evening the 7th of January 1827 she went into the House of Abel > >> Collier of Myshall, Publican, where she had some tea and punch in > Company > >> with Robert Collier son of Abel Collier and two of Abel Collier's > >> Daughters > >> that having remained in the house till late - that on her return home, > she > >> was afraid her Father would chastise her for being out and thinking that > >> he > >> was about to do so she ran out of the house. > >> That on Crossing a Field opposite to her house she was overtaken by the > >> aforesaid Robert Collier who on hearing from her that she was afraid of > >> her > >> Father, offered to accompany her to the house of Owen Gorman of Aclare, > >> Carlow, who is married to a Relative of Margaret Neale. > >> That she put herself under the protection of Robert Collier who > >> accompanied > >> her part of the way, that on the Land of Myshall aforementioned he threw > >> her > >> down and by force and against her will had Carnal Knowledge of her and > >> committed a Rape on her Body. (signed) Margaret, herXmark, Neale. > >> Having first being truly read over to Margaret Neale before signing.. > >> Sworn before me this 19th day of January 1827. (signed) John F. > Cornwall. > >> Margaret Neale do swear that I usually reside at Myshall, Parish of > >> Myshall, > >> Barony of Forth and County of Carlow and am Supported and maintained by > my > >> Parents. (signed) Margaret, herXmark, Neale. > >> The said Margaret Neale acknowledges herself to be indebted to our > >> Sovereign > >> Lord the King in the Sum of Twenty pounds Sterling. > >> The Condition of the foregoing recognisance is that the above bound > >> Margaret > >> Neale shall be and appear at the next Assizes to be held at Carlow and > >> prosecute Robert Collier of Myshall for a Rape, and not depart the Court > >> without a Licence, then the above Recognizance to be null and void > >> otherwise > >> to be in full Force and Virtue in Law. > >> Taken and Acknowledged before me this 20th day of January 1827, having > >> first > >> being truly read over to Margaret Neale. (signed) John F. Cornwall. > >> I James Crow swear that I am a Householder, and have a House wherein I > >> usually reside at Rahenkillane [ ? ] in the Parish of Bendenstown [ ? ] > >> in > >> the Barony of Half Barony of Forth and that I am worth the Sum of Ten > >> Pounds > >> Sterling over and above my just Debts. So help me God, (signed) James > >> Crowe. > >> I Patrick Clowry do swear that I am a Householder and have a House > >> wherein I > >> usually reside at Ballintrain in the Parish of Templepeter Barony or > Half > >> Barony of Forth and that I am worth the Sum of 10 Pounds Sterling over > and > >> above my just Debts. So help me God, (signed) Patt Clowry. > >> The Condition of the Foregoing Recognizance is such that Margaret Neale > >> shall appear in her Proper Person in Open Court and prosecute Robert > >> Collier > >> of Myshall for a Rape. > >> Taken and Acknowledged before me at Myshall Lodge the day and Year > >> aforesaid, (signed) John F. 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Thanks for the link! It may help to put a bit more information together about the Fenlons for me. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Trevor Clowry Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 7:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, Cornwall. Thanks Anna, Someone once mentioned to me that the name Clowry came up on the Ardal O Hanlon "who do you think you are" programme but I could be wrong. Here's the programme: http://www.rte.ie/tv/whodoyouthinkyouare/s1/outline_ardal-ohanlon.html I will try and watch it next time it is on. Trevor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 May 2012 12:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, Cornwall. these colliers are related to the comedian ardel o'hanlon on his mother's side and a lot of information is on his "who do you think you are?" programme.