Anna, Just a thought. I know that in Europe when going from one language to another "b" and "v" are often switched for one another. For example in Irish "Sabh" (v sound) is rendered in English as Sabina (b sound). This brings me to the case in point, could Valentine be a variation on Ballentyne? I can't say I know the origin of the family name Ballentyne. Bye for now, Roger http://nolanfamilies.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1844, Valentine, Murray, Flynn, Brennan, Doyle, Byrne, Dennis. how strange..................I never heard the name Valentine in Ireland. My aunt Kitty emigrated to Australia and married a Mr. John Valentine and they had one child.............Margaret.............so Valentine could be an Irish name...........I thought it was Italian! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael purcell" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2012 4:15:44 PM Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1844, Valentine, Murray, Flynn, Brennan, Doyle, Byrne, Dennis. Pat Purcell Papers. 1844. THE INFORMATIONS of SubConstable Daniel Murray of Hacketstown, Barony of Rathvilly, Carlow taken before Thomas Dennis, Esquire, one of Her Majesty's Justices of the Peace for Carlow, Deponent being duly sworn on the Holy Evangelists, saith, That he is Stationed in Hacketstown in the County of Carlow. That about 6 oClock on the night of the 3rd February 1844 he received Information that a woman named Margaret Valentine and two others was gone out as was supposed to steal Potatoes which Information he Communicated to Constable Samuel H.Flynn - And about 7 oClock on the same night he went out to watch [ ?] and was followed about half an hour after by Constable Flynn. When a few minutes together they saw Margaret Valentine and her son Jeremiah Brennan and a Girl named Anne Doyle ( but who stated her name was Anne Byrne ) each having a Bag of Potatoes on their back. Which Margaret Valentine stated she got from Patrick Tool of Tinaclash - to whom she had a Child as she stated - Assisted to to arrest them. He heard on the 5th of February that Potatoes had been stolen from Benjamin Darcy of Ballybrack, County of Wicklow. He went there on the 6th with Constable Flynn and was showen a pit of Potatoes by Benjamin Darcy out of which he stated Potatoes were stolen between the night of the 3rd and the morning of the 4th of February. It was broken in 3 places and about 10 Stone of Potatoes taken as he thinks. He Brought a sample of them and compared them with those he found in the Possession of Margaret Valentine they equally corresponded to the Potatoes found in Possession of Margaret Valentine, Jeremiah Brennan and Anne Doyle. (signed) Daniel Murray. SWORN before me this 7th day of February 1844. (signed) Thomas Dennis. Daniel Murray acknowledges himself bound in the sum of £10 to prosecute the foregoing Informations at the next Quarter Sessions to be held at Tullow in the County of Carlow and from Session to Session until discharged by due course of Law. Taken and acknowledged before me the Day and Year aforesaid. (signed) Daniel Murray, Thomas Dennis. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Anna! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
According to MacLysaght in *The Surnames of Ireland*, the name *Ballentine*: A Scottish toponymic fairly numerous in Ulster but of comparatively recent introduction. and *Valentine:* A family of this name (derived from Latin *valens*, strong) came from England in mid-seventeenth century and it has since become fairly numerous in Wicklow and adjoining counties. And, from a *Dictionary of Surnames*: *Ballantine*, other form *Ballantyne*: Scottish — place name; probably from Bellenden in Roxburghshire, which may derive from Scottish Gaelic meaning 'farm of the dean'. Does this help? J. J. On 19 May 2012 21:22, Roger Nowlan <[email protected]> wrote: > Anna, > Just a thought. I know that in Europe when going from one language to > another "b" and "v" are often switched for one another. For example in > Irish > "Sabh" (v sound) is rendered in English as Sabina (b sound). This brings me > to the case in point, could Valentine be a variation on Ballentyne? I can't > say I know the origin of the family name Ballentyne. > > Bye for now, > Roger > > http://nolanfamilies.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1844, Valentine, Murray, Flynn, Brennan, Doyle, > Byrne, Dennis. > > how strange..................I never heard the name Valentine in Ireland. > My aunt Kitty emigrated to Australia and married a Mr. John Valentine and > they had one child.............Margaret.............so Valentine could be > an > Irish name...........I thought it was Italian! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael purcell" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 19 May, 2012 4:15:44 PM > Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1844, Valentine, Murray, Flynn, Brennan, Doyle, > Byrne, > Dennis. > > Pat Purcell Papers. > 1844. > THE INFORMATIONS of SubConstable Daniel Murray of Hacketstown, Barony of > Rathvilly, Carlow taken before Thomas Dennis, Esquire, one of Her Majesty's > Justices of the Peace for Carlow, Deponent being duly sworn on the Holy > Evangelists, saith, That he is Stationed in Hacketstown in the County of > Carlow. > That about 6 oClock on the night of the 3rd February 1844 he received > Information that a woman named Margaret Valentine and two others was gone > out as was supposed to steal Potatoes which Information he Communicated to > Constable Samuel H.Flynn - And about 7 oClock on the same night he went out > to watch [ ?] and was followed about half an hour after by Constable Flynn. > When a few minutes together they saw Margaret Valentine and her son > Jeremiah Brennan and a Girl named Anne Doyle ( but who stated her name was > Anne Byrne ) each having a Bag of Potatoes on their back. Which Margaret > Valentine stated she got from Patrick Tool of Tinaclash - to whom she had a > Child as she stated - Assisted to to arrest them. > He heard on the 5th of February that Potatoes had been stolen from Benjamin > Darcy of Ballybrack, County of Wicklow. > He went there on the 6th with Constable Flynn and was showen a pit of > Potatoes by Benjamin Darcy out of which he stated Potatoes were stolen > between the night of the 3rd and the morning of the 4th of February. > It was broken in 3 places and about 10 Stone of Potatoes taken as he > thinks. > He Brought a sample of them and compared them with those he found in the > Possession of Margaret Valentine they equally corresponded to the Potatoes > found in Possession of Margaret Valentine, Jeremiah Brennan and Anne Doyle. > (signed) Daniel Murray. > SWORN before me this 7th day of February 1844. (signed) Thomas Dennis. > Daniel Murray acknowledges himself bound in the sum of £10 to prosecute the > foregoing Informations at the next Quarter Sessions to be held at Tullow in > the County of Carlow and from Session to Session until discharged by due > course of Law. > Taken and acknowledged before me the Day and Year aforesaid. (signed) > Daniel Murray, Thomas Dennis. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Anna! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >