Thanks for the info from the PPP. It confirms the information I had on file. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael purcell Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, Cornwall. Correction Sue, it appears that Patrick Fenelon Collier emigrated with his parents, Robert and Catherine Collier to New York in 1866 not 1874 as I stated . I missed a page in Pat's notes on the Collier family. On 6 May 2012 16:44, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Sue the same Collier family. > Abel Collier was grandfather to Patrick Fenelon Collier, Robert who > was charged with Rape in 1827 was his father. > It would appear that the claim made by Margaret Neale on her "Information" > sheet did not succeed in Court. > From notes in the PPP :- > Patrick Fenelon Collier married Catherine Dunne in 1873, a niece of > Bishop Comerford, he left Myshall for the United States in 1874, in > 1880 founded his own printing firm in New York, within a few years it > had the capacity to produce 25,000 books a day, at one stage his firm > employed 800 people with nearly 100 branches throughout the United States. > In later years Patrick was a regular visitor to Ireland, he rented out > Killeen Castle and rode to the hounds with the Royal Meath Hunt. > During his life Patrick presented 1,000 books to the Carlow Young Mens' > Society and 1,000 books to Leighlinbridge Library. For many years the > Collier Cup was presented by the Carlow Agricultural Society. > Patrick died in April 1909, at the time of his death his firm had sold > over 50,000,000 books, the Collier Publishing Company was later > incorporated to Macmillan & Co. > > > > On 6 May 2012 14:53, Sue Clement <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Very interesting. I wish we had the outcome of the case. I think this >> could possibly be the Robert Collier who was father of Peter Fenlon >> Collier, b. >> Myshall 1849, d. New York City 1909. PF Collier was the publisher of >> Collier's Weekly magazine in New York. He was first cousin to John >> Fenlon who married into my Aughney relatives. Robert Collier of >> Myshall married Catherine Fenlon, and I have record of two children - >> Anne bap Myshall parish 1849, and Peter. Robert Collier of Myshall >> gave a recognizance bond for Mary Tracey of Rathnegeerath, February 1836 (from the PPP). >> >> Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael purcell >> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:01 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [IRL-CARLOW] 1827, Neale, Collier, Clowry, Crowe, Gorman, >> Cornwall. >> >> [ Note added 2012 - unusual submission from the PPP in that we have >> the Information statement , Recognizance to Prosecute sheet and >> Recognizance of >> £20 guaranteeing that Margaret Neale shall appear in Open Court to >> press charges against Robert Collier. >> A very serious charge against Robert as at this time Rape was >> punishable by death or transportation. >> The only thing missing is the verdict. ] Pat Purcell Papers. >> 1827. >> The Information of Margaret Neale of Myshall, Carlow, Spinster, taken >> before me one of His Majestys Justices of the Peace for Carlow. >> Margaret Neale who being duly sworn on the Holy Evaneglists Saith >> that on Sunday Evening the 7th of January 1827 she went into the >> House of Abel Collier of Myshall, Publican, where she had some tea >> and punch in Company with Robert Collier son of Abel Collier and two >> of Abel Collier's Daughters that having remained in the house till >> late - that on her return home, she was afraid her Father would >> chastise her for being out and thinking that he was about to do so >> she ran out of the house. >> That on Crossing a Field opposite to her house she was overtaken by >> the aforesaid Robert Collier who on hearing from her that she was >> afraid of her Father, offered to accompany her to the house of Owen >> Gorman of Aclare, Carlow, who is married to a Relative of Margaret >> Neale. >> That she put herself under the protection of Robert Collier who >> accompanied her part of the way, that on the Land of Myshall >> aforementioned he threw her down and by force and against her will >> had Carnal Knowledge of her and committed a Rape on her Body. >> (signed) Margaret, herXmark, Neale. >> Having first being truly read over to Margaret Neale before signing.. >> Sworn before me this 19th day of January 1827. (signed) John F. Cornwall. >> Margaret Neale do swear that I usually reside at Myshall, Parish of >> Myshall, Barony of Forth and County of Carlow and am Supported and >> maintained by my Parents. (signed) Margaret, herXmark, Neale. >> The said Margaret Neale acknowledges herself to be indebted to our >> Sovereign Lord the King in the Sum of Twenty pounds Sterling. >> The Condition of the foregoing recognisance is that the above bound >> Margaret Neale shall be and appear at the next Assizes to be held at >> Carlow and prosecute Robert Collier of Myshall for a Rape, and not >> depart the Court without a Licence, then the above Recognizance to be >> null and void otherwise to be in full Force and Virtue in Law. >> Taken and Acknowledged before me this 20th day of January 1827, >> having first being truly read over to Margaret Neale. (signed) John >> F. Cornwall. >> I James Crow swear that I am a Householder, and have a House wherein >> I usually reside at Rahenkillane [ ? ] in the Parish of Bendenstown >> [ ? ] in the Barony of Half Barony of Forth and that I am worth the >> Sum of Ten Pounds Sterling over and above my just Debts. So help me >> God, (signed) James Crowe. >> I Patrick Clowry do swear that I am a Householder and have a House >> wherein I usually reside at Ballintrain in the Parish of Templepeter >> Barony or Half Barony of Forth and that I am worth the Sum of 10 >> Pounds Sterling over and above my just Debts. So help me God, >> (signed) Patt Clowry. >> The Condition of the Foregoing Recognizance is such that Margaret >> Neale shall appear in her Proper Person in Open Court and prosecute >> Robert Collier of Myshall for a Rape. >> Taken and Acknowledged before me at Myshall Lodge the day and Year >> aforesaid, (signed) John F. 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