Could it be Kelvin Grove ? Have the Gurly family any Scottish connections? PD On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Carlow Rootsweb, > > Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly > family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his > wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close > to St. Anne's Church. > > Best wishes, > > John McIntyre. > > > Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < > [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might > hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share > on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> > > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 > > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added > by... > > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < > [email protected]ook.com> > > > > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. > > > > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 > > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy > Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of > finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. > Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. > > Original Post > > > > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 > > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August > 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell > Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, > containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is > the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard > Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his > mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in > Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus > Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a > visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway > Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress > presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he > did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he > would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries > incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of > 94!] > > > > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the > Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in > > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). > > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate to > > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found > > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no > authority > > to accept gifted property. > > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government pass > > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. > > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the > Local > > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. > > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire > > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local > > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they > > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the gifts > > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was framed > > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. > > > > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow > > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in > > Carlovina 1998. > > > > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. > > > > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. > > > > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. > > > > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. > > > > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. > > > > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. > > > > Telephone: Codicote 218. > > > > 7 September 1944 > > > > Dear Mr. Law > > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could > > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a gale > > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years rent > > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are such > > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and > > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. > > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his > > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major > Fitzmaurice > > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the > > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? > > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years > ago, > > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The > > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet > > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible > > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful > > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern > > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a > > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, > refrigerators, > > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious > and > > civilising line of improvement. > > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that will > > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, > as > > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. > > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want > > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t > > afford bother. > > > > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish > > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. ( signed ) > > George Bernard Shaw. > > > > View Post on Facebook · Edit Email Settings · Reply to this email to add > a comment. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >