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    1. Re: [IRL-CARLOW] CARLOW CASTLE
    2. JJ Woods

    3. Wouldn't it be good idea to leave that attitude behind us. On Sep 20, 2012 6:51 p.m., "noel walsh" <[email protected]> wrote: > why would any Irish man want to celebrate the commencement of 800 years of > conquest and tyranny by the british in Ireland ? the castle was built to > defend the british garrison against the Irish, while they took the land > from the Irish. > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Tom LaPorte <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to agree with your disagreement with me. Michael Brennan is > indeed > > the spark without which we would have no forum much less one of the best > > online. I did say that Turtle was only one of our many sources of > wisdom. > > > > I still put you at the peak but for that lofty position I also credit you > > with the possession, protection, preservation and now publication of the > > PPP. A goldmine of information which we are now tapping thanks to you! > > > > Happy belated 800th birthday Catherlogh! Being late is no excuse to not > > have a party! > > > > Tom > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2012-09-19, at 15:55, "michael purcell" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > thanks Tom but I can't say I agree with you......there are many who > have > > > contributed articles, photos, maps, family trees, extracts from > baptism / > > > marriage registers, newspaper reports and all matters of exchanges, > views > > > and news to this site (including yourgoodself ) and as a member of the > > > long established and respected Carlow family, the McClintock-Bunburys, > it > > > is great having Turtle on board but much of our appreciation has to be > > > directed to Michael Brennan for his dedication and administration > skills. > > > As regards Carlow Castle and not intending to rain on anyone's parade I > > > guess it could be said on reflection by present-day historians the > > > castle was "officially" opened in 1213...!!..---- it just bothers me > a > > > little that data on Wikipedia and other internet sites was changed > > recently > > > to make it appear that the castle was completed circa1213 as if to > > > accommodate a celebration in 2013 ?. ----- ... > > > .I have checked my notes, the first Seneschal of Carlow Castle, Geoffry > > > Fitz-Robert, was appointed in 1207 .....Extract of one reference to the > > > castle from the Charter, granted in 1208 to the Burgess of Catherlagh > by > > > William Earl Marshall, Earl of Pembroke, states "That no Burgess shall > > be > > > drawn into any suit, or answer any plea which shall arise within the > > bounds > > > of the Borough, in the castle, or elsewhere, than in the hundred court > of > > > the town; except pleas which concern the men of my castle or my > bailiffs; > > > but it shall be held in the hundred court of the town".....the Charter > > was > > > witnessed by John Marshall, Thomas Fitz-Winton, (Seneschal of > Leinster), > > > Falk Fitz-Warine, Walter Purcell, William Grasse, Junior, Hamond > Grasse, > > > Roger Hyde, Rudolph de Ralegh, Robert de Crupt, Masters Henry, Hugh, > > Ralph > > > and Robert, clerks, and many other assembled Burgesses and bailiffs. > > > > > > On 17 September 2012 14:06, Tom LaPorte <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Sure, "just primary school stuff", I guess lots of primary school > > >> students "have researched data on Carlow Castle for many years, > delving > > >> into records at the Tower of London,the British Record Office, > National > > >> Archives at Kew and various private collections in England". That's > > >> probably in the standard primary school curriculum over there. Must > be > > >> expensive to send all those kids to England though. > > >> We are very fortunate to have many sources of wisdom (meticulously > > >> researched knowledge) on this site, Turtle is another of them, but > > Michael > > >> is right at the top and I also bow to Michael's knowledge and his > value > > to > > >> this forum. > > >> In the meantime I was going through all my medieval notes on Carlow > and > > >> finding very little and can now add these little details. Thank you > > once > > >> again Michael. > > >> Tom > > >> > > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:28:35 +0100 > > >>> From: [email protected] > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] CARLOW CASTLE > > >>> > > >>> thanks Turtle but "abundant wisdom" is a bit over the top.....really > > just > > >>> primary school stuff....... > > >>> > > >>> On 17 September 2012 11:05, Turtle Bunbury (History) < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Dear Michael, > > >>>> That is precisely why the county is so lucky to have you and your > > >> abundant > > >>>> wisdom. I was informed last week of gathering momentum for a big > > >>>> celebratory do for 'Carlow 800' which was to be based around the > > >>>> Wikipedia-dated completion of the castle to 1213. > > >>>> However, I think that your conclusions that this would, in fact, be > > the > > >>>> 'Carlow 803' will put paid to such a plan - and in good time too. > > >> There > > >>>> will be other excuses for a party but yes, it would be improper to > > >> distort > > >>>> such dates. > > >>>> Many thanks, > > >>>> Turtle > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Turtle Bunbury > > >>>> > > >>>> www.turtlebunbury.com > > >>>> > > >>>> Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > > >>>> Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 > > >> Skype: > > >>>> turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > >>>> > > >>>> On 16 Sep 2012, at 19:50, michael purcell wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> no idea what would give you that idea !.....I have researched data > on > > >>>>> Carlow Castle for many years, delving into records at the Tower of > > >>>> London, > > >>>>> British Record Office, National Archives at Kew and various private > > >>>>> collections in England, hope to publish same soon. > > >>>>> As far as I could make out building commenced circa 1205, completed > > >> circa > > >>>>> 1209 the Castle was standing and is referred to in the 1209 > > >>>>> Charter sanctioned by King John (1199 - 1216 - for whom John Street > > >> in > > >>>>> Carlow was named ) with first Seneschal officially appointed in > 1210 > > >> In > > >>>>> 2009 I suggested celebration of 800 years.....!...nice try...... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 14 September 2012 16:12, Turtle Bunbury < > [email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Does anyone know of any verifiable documents or sources that can > > >> confirm > > >>>>>> whether Carlow Castle was actually completed in 1213, which would > > >> be 800 > > >>>>>> years next year? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the > > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/20/2012 12:54:24
    1. Re: [IRL-CARLOW] CARLOW CASTLE
    2. Maribeth Nolan

    3. Amen to that...it's a beautiful piece of architectural history -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JJ Woods Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:54 PM To: [email protected]rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] CARLOW CASTLE Wouldn't it be good idea to leave that attitude behind us. On Sep 20, 2012 6:51 p.m., "noel walsh" <[email protected]> wrote: > why would any Irish man want to celebrate the commencement of 800 > years of conquest and tyranny by the british in Ireland ? the castle > was built to defend the british garrison against the Irish, while they > took the land from the Irish. > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Tom LaPorte <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have to agree with your disagreement with me. Michael Brennan is > indeed > > the spark without which we would have no forum much less one of the > > best online. I did say that Turtle was only one of our many sources > > of > wisdom. > > > > I still put you at the peak but for that lofty position I also > > credit you with the possession, protection, preservation and now > > publication of the PPP. A goldmine of information which we are now tapping thanks to you! > > > > Happy belated 800th birthday Catherlogh! Being late is no excuse to > > not have a party! > > > > Tom > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2012-09-19, at 15:55, "michael purcell" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > thanks Tom but I can't say I agree with you......there are many > > > who > have > > > contributed articles, photos, maps, family trees, extracts from > baptism / > > > marriage registers, newspaper reports and all matters of > > > exchanges, > views > > > and news to this site (including yourgoodself ) and as a member > > > of the long established and respected Carlow family, the > > > McClintock-Bunburys, > it > > > is great having Turtle on board but much of our appreciation has > > > to be directed to Michael Brennan for his dedication and > > > administration > skills. > > > As regards Carlow Castle and not intending to rain on anyone's > > > parade I guess it could be said on reflection by present-day > > > historians the castle was "officially" opened in 1213...!!..---- > > > it just bothers me > a > > > little that data on Wikipedia and other internet sites was changed > > recently > > > to make it appear that the castle was completed circa1213 as if to > > > accommodate a celebration in 2013 ?. ----- ... > > > .I have checked my notes, the first Seneschal of Carlow Castle, > > > Geoffry Fitz-Robert, was appointed in 1207 .....Extract of one > > > reference to the castle from the Charter, granted in 1208 to the > > > Burgess of Catherlagh > by > > > William Earl Marshall, Earl of Pembroke, states "That no Burgess > > > shall > > be > > > drawn into any suit, or answer any plea which shall arise within > > > the > > bounds > > > of the Borough, in the castle, or elsewhere, than in the hundred > > > court > of > > > the town; except pleas which concern the men of my castle or my > bailiffs; > > > but it shall be held in the hundred court of the town".....the > > > Charter > > was > > > witnessed by John Marshall, Thomas Fitz-Winton, (Seneschal of > Leinster), > > > Falk Fitz-Warine, Walter Purcell, William Grasse, Junior, Hamond > Grasse, > > > Roger Hyde, Rudolph de Ralegh, Robert de Crupt, Masters Henry, > > > Hugh, > > Ralph > > > and Robert, clerks, and many other assembled Burgesses and bailiffs. > > > > > > On 17 September 2012 14:06, Tom LaPorte <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Sure, "just primary school stuff", I guess lots of primary > > >> school students "have researched data on Carlow Castle for many > > >> years, > delving > > >> into records at the Tower of London,the British Record Office, > National > > >> Archives at Kew and various private collections in England". > > >> That's probably in the standard primary school curriculum over > > >> there. Must > be > > >> expensive to send all those kids to England though. > > >> We are very fortunate to have many sources of wisdom > > >> (meticulously researched knowledge) on this site, Turtle is > > >> another of them, but > > Michael > > >> is right at the top and I also bow to Michael's knowledge and his > value > > to > > >> this forum. > > >> In the meantime I was going through all my medieval notes on > > >> Carlow > and > > >> finding very little and can now add these little details. Thank you > > once > > >> again Michael. > > >> Tom > > >> > > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:28:35 +0100 > > >>> From: [email protected] > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] CARLOW CASTLE > > >>> > > >>> thanks Turtle but "abundant wisdom" is a bit over the > > >>> top.....really > > just > > >>> primary school stuff....... > > >>> > > >>> On 17 September 2012 11:05, Turtle Bunbury (History) < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Dear Michael, > > >>>> That is precisely why the county is so lucky to have you and > > >>>> your > > >> abundant > > >>>> wisdom. I was informed last week of gathering momentum for a > > >>>> big celebratory do for 'Carlow 800' which was to be based > > >>>> around the Wikipedia-dated completion of the castle to 1213. > > >>>> However, I think that your conclusions that this would, in > > >>>> fact, be > > the > > >>>> 'Carlow 803' will put paid to such a plan - and in good time too. > > >> There > > >>>> will be other excuses for a party but yes, it would be improper > > >>>> to > > >> distort > > >>>> such dates. > > >>>> Many thanks, > > >>>> Turtle > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Turtle Bunbury > > >>>> > > >>>> www.turtlebunbury.com > > >>>> > > >>>> Old Fort, Tobinstown, Tullow, Co. Carlow, Ireland > > >>>> Mob: + 353 (0) 87 6453 486 Office: +353 (0) 5991 80559 > > >> Skype: > > >>>> turtle1847 www.facebook.com/turtle.bunbury > > >>>> > > >>>> On 16 Sep 2012, at 19:50, michael purcell wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> no idea what would give you that idea !.....I have researched > > >>>>> data > on > > >>>>> Carlow Castle for many years, delving into records at the > > >>>>> Tower of > > >>>> London, > > >>>>> British Record Office, National Archives at Kew and various > > >>>>> private collections in England, hope to publish same soon. > > >>>>> As far as I could make out building commenced circa 1205, > > >>>>> completed > > >> circa > > >>>>> 1209 the Castle was standing and is referred to in the 1209 > > >>>>> Charter sanctioned by King John (1199 - 1216 - for whom John > > >>>>> Street > > >> in > > >>>>> Carlow was named ) with first Seneschal officially appointed > > >>>>> in > 1210 > > >> In > > >>>>> 2009 I suggested celebration of 800 years.....!...nice try...... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 14 September 2012 16:12, Turtle Bunbury < > [email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Does anyone know of any verifiable documents or sources that > > >>>>>> can > > >> confirm > > >>>>>> whether Carlow Castle was actually completed in 1213, which > > >>>>>> would > > >> be 800 > > >>>>>> years next year? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > > >>>>>> please send an email to [email protected] with > > >>>>>> the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the > > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > > >>>>> please send an email to > > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >>>> without > > >> the > > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, > > >>>> please send an email to [email protected] with > > >>>> the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/20/2012 09:31:50