well grave lane is very close to the athy road..........the hearns had a big house on the athy road so may have been wealthy.............so they may have had a second residence in grave lane???????????????????????????????????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2012 1:19:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] ATHY ROAD / GURLY FAMILY Is there any possibility that the house on Grave Lane would also have been referred to as Athy Road? The Cathedral records show that my gr. grandfather, Michael Hearns, was born at Athy Road along with his siblings except that one of the children in between is listed as being born on Grave Lane. It seems odd that they would have moved in between and then moved back again. Any ideas? Regards, Regina -----Original Message----- From: michael purcell <[email protected]> To: irl-carlow <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2012 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-CARLOW] ATHY ROAD / GURLY FAMILY last line of previous email should read -- the Shaw Plaque unveiled by Dan Laurence in 1998 cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse ....this Plaque is erected on another Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse....... On 1 September 2012 18:09, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > Part of the property owned by George Bernard Shaw was the ground on which > St Anne's church was built....filed as Property # 1 the folio consisted of > 6 houses, 4 on the Athy Road and 2 on the northside in Grave > Lane.....Property folio # 2 was 2 houses on the Athy Road and 2 on the > southside in Grave Lane....property folio # 3 was 1 house on the Athy Road > ( first house after Montgomery Street facing the Seven Oaks Hotel ), this > is a large building with a double roof and was I believe the last house > occupied by relatives of the Gurley family......at least 7 of the original > buildings remain standing on the Athy Road .......Property folio # 1A is > the ground of the Old Graves on the Barrow Track, some people believe this > included the old Town Park ( now named Shaw Park )......the remaining > property owned by GBS was / is situated in John Street, Tullow Street, > Dublin Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus Terrace, The Quays. > Mostly subject to Ground Rent payments, the income from which was to be > directed for the benefit of the Arts in Carlow.....many years ago with the > assistance of Dan H. Laurence ( then adviser to the estate of GBS - google > him .. ) I attempted to trace the whereabouts of the fund that Shaw > proposed for Carlow, all we could establish back then was that the erection > of the Christmas Crib on the steps of Carlow Courthouse is funded by the > Shaw estate !....Dan Laurence travelled from Canada to investigate this, > while he was here he unveiled a Plaque to GBS on one of the buildings Shaw > owned in Tullow Street...this was paid for by the sale of a letter from > GBS, which I sold by auction, it was purchased for £500 by Malcolmson and > Law ....the letter was presented to me by Fred McCombe, grandson of Rowan > McCombe ( Rowan was the first person to erect a Plaque to the "Men of 1798" > in Graiguecullen, ...the Plaque cost £200 and the remaining £300 went to > pay for a Plaque to the memory of Iona McLeod, who had been County > Librarian in Carlow for nearly 50 years. This Plaque is erected on another > Gurley building opposite Carlow Courthouse .... > > On 28 August 2012 14:45, JOHN McINTYRE <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear Carlow Rootsweb, >> >> Would anyone know for sure which property which was owned by the Gurly >> family on Athy Road in Carlow was lived in by John Duke Gillmore and his >> wife Arabella (nee Gurly) in the 1880's. The property was apparently close >> to St. Anne's Church. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John McIntyre. >> >> >> Hi John, I think if you just emailed Carlow Rootsweb < >> [email protected]> and asked them which house it was, you might >> hopefully hear more - if you have Carlow knowledge you're game on to share >> on Rootsweb, I'm sure it would be much appreciated. Cheerio for now, Turtle >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > From: "John McIntyre" <[email protected]> >> > Date: 27 August 2012 23:20:49 GMT+01:00 >> > To: Who was JP <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Who was JP] [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added >> by... >> > Reply-To: Reply to Comment < >> [email protected]ook.com> >> > >> > John McIntyre commented on your post in Who was JP. >> > >> > John McIntyre 11:20pm Aug 27 >> > Thanks Turtle for this find - I wonder which house it was on the Athy >> Road ? I believe it was close to St Anne's Church - is there anyway of >> finding out? These premises appear to be where the Gillmore family lived. >> Would like to know if it was a nice country residence or a hovel. >> > Original Post >> > >> > Turtle Bunbury 8:05pm Aug 26 >> > [Posted on Carlow Rootsweb with note added by Michael Purcell in August >> 2012. The following is a recently discovered letter in the Pat Purcell >> Papers from the "self-professed World Betterer" George Bernard Shaw, >> containing instructions to Malcolmson and Law, Court Place, Carlow. This is >> the first time that this letter has ever been made public. George Bernard >> Shaw owned 13 proprieties in Carlow town, inherited by him through his >> mother's grandfather, Thomas Gurley. The properties were / are situated in >> Tullow Street, Dublin Street, John Street, Centaur Street, Ballymanus >> Terrace, The Quay, Athy Road, Grave Lane and the Barrow Track. Shaw paid a >> visit to Carlow in 1918 to view his property, he stayed in the Railway >> Hotel ( now The Irishmans ) he later recalled that the proprietress >> presented him with a joint of "Carlow pig" for supper, he explained that he >> did not partake of dead animals or their product, she advised him that he >> would not live long without eating meat - he died in 1950 from injuries >> incurred after falling from a ladder whilst pruning a tree at the age of >> 94!] >> > >> > In 1919 he transferred the Old Assembly Rooms on Dublin Street to the >> Carlow Technical Instruction Committee for use as a Technical school (in >> > later years the Carlow County Library was situated in the building). >> > In 1944 Shaw set about handing over the remainder of his Carlow estate >> to >> > be held for the common benefit of the people of Carlow, however he found >> > that Carlow Town Council could not accept his gift as they had no >> authority >> > to accept gifted property. >> > In 1944 Shaw wrote to Eamon de Valera requesting that his government >> pass >> > an Act to enable Carlow Town Council to accept his gift. >> > In 1945 Dev's Minister for Local Government, Sean McEntee, passed the >> Local >> > Authorities ( Acceptance of Gifts ) Bill, 1945. >> > Mr McEntee stated " at present local authorities had no power to acquire >> > property by way of gift, the passing of this Bill would enable a local >> > authority to accept gifts of property, but only on condition that they >> > adopted schemes of civic improvement in their areas and devoted the >> gifts >> > for the purposes provided for in the schemes and once a scheme was >> framed >> > it could not be altered except by an Order of the High Court. >> > >> > For further examples of Shaw's letters concerning his property in Carlow >> > see the article " Shaw's bequest to Carlow" by Sean O'Shea published in >> > Carlovina 1998. >> > >> > Transcribed by Selina Lawlor. >> > >> > Pat Purcell Papers 1944. >> > >> > 4, Whitehall Court, London. S.W.I. >> > >> > Ayot. St. Lawrence, Nr. Welwyn Herts. >> > >> > Station: Wheathampstead, L N.E.R. 2½ Miles. >> > >> > Telegrams: Bernard Shaw, Codicote. >> > >> > Telephone: Codicote 218. >> > >> > 7 September 1944 >> > >> > Dear Mr. Law >> > I forgot to say on my card that it would be very convenient if we could >> > get the transfer executed on the 29th Sept .thereabouts as that is a >> gale >> > day, and the Carlow Corporation could take the succeeding half years >> rent >> > leaving me the rent just falling due. I don’t know whether there are >> such >> > things as hanging gales nowadays; but if so we can ignore them, and >> > consider the real dates and not the nominal ones. >> > As to arrears, I hope there won’t be any. Can you get Walsh out, and his >> > tenant in by the 29th and the house repaired at my cost (Major >> Fitzmaurice >> > knows my views and has ample funds of mine) so that I can hand over the >> > premises in a settled, solvent and waterproof condition? >> > Then there is the tenant at Grave Lane, who gave up paying rents years >> ago, >> > but has lately been giving Fitzmaurice an occasional ten shillings. The >> > Corporation will no doubt evict her, and if it is wise it will not relet >> > the house, but knock it down and either let the land as an eligible >> > building site, changing the name of the land to something more cheerful >> > than Grave Lane !, or build a new house on it with all the modern >> > improvements to bring it within the scope of the new Fund and attract a >> > substantial tenant. The modernisation of houses by garages, >> refrigerators, >> > labour saving kitchens, electric cookers is in my view the most obvious >> and >> > civilising line of improvement. >> > Anyhow, I am quite willing to forego and forgive the arrears if that >> will >> > facilitate matters. If the lady can afford to pay ten shillings a week, >> as >> > she is doing, she can afford to rent another dwelling place. >> > Don’t let money stand in the way of a quick and clean settlement. I want >> > to die destitute as far as Eire is concerned. I can afford it. I can’t >> > afford bother. >> > >> > By the way (if it has any relevance) I am technically an Irish >> > citizen as well as a British subject with an English domicile. 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