If he joined the RIC in 1914 then it would appear as if his Register Number is 67658. The numbers between 67001 and 69000 were issued between December 16, 1912 and February 15, 1917. The number quoted above is the only one for a James Duffy in that period This information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's excellent and exhaustive publication "The Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men, 1816-1922." What is/was/were the RGA? It is my first time to encounter this abbreviation. J. J. On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on > Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not > ever destroyed by fire. > The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans, never happened. > The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the vicinity > of the Mall was James Duffy. > It would appear from the evidence at the Inquest that James Duffy was a > member of the AUX Division....the Black and Tans were not stationed in > Carlow at this time. > Relatives of James Duffy are eager to find out as much as they can about > him, I have requested they send me his Service Number. > Generally I am suspicious of members posting enquiries on the Carlow IGP on > behalf of "a friend" or as a "favour" to some unknown unknown and for which > they may be charging a hefty fee to the "friend" for any information > willingly shared by our members but in this case the relatives of James > Duffy live in Monaghan, are elderly, and have not subscribed to Carlow IGP. > There is no fee involved and I can share their email address with anyone > who is interested. > On 27 April 2012 04:41, CARLOMAN2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This brings to mind a conversation I had many years ago with the then > owner > > of Fitzpatrick's Pub. The Black and Tans arrived at the pub and forced > the > > family out, they threatened to burn it but I can't recall that the did > burn > > it. > > However soon afterwards three Black & Tans were apprehended in the > vicinity > > of the Mall, shot and buried some where near by! I wonder if this is > linked > > to the ambush mentioned? > > > > Were they Tans or Auxiliaries ? > > > > PD > > "The past is a different country" > > > > > > > > > > On 26 April 2012 16:01, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Can any reader help Mike with his search ? > > > > > > 9th April 1921. > > > CARLOW R.I.C. CONSTABLE KILLED. > > > CIVILIAN SERIOUSLY WOUNDED. > > > On Sunday night at about 8.30 p.m. (Summer Time), Constable James > Duffy, > > > Royal Irish Constabulary, Carlow, was shot dead between the Mall and > > > .......................... into Mr Fitzpatrick's licensed premises to > > have > > > a drink. Then they > > > left, evidently intending to be back in Carlow before the Curfew hour. > > > At about a quarter of a mile on the Carlow side of Fitzpatricks they > were > > > held up by three armed men who had been sitting in the hedge. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
On reading earlier posts the date December 28, 1920 is mentioned. In that case the Register Number is 77133. Register Numbers between 77001 and 79000 were issued between December 22, 1922 and February 2, 1921. It would appear that there was very serious recruiting at that time. J. J. On 27 April 2012 21:30, JJ Woods <[email protected]> wrote: > If he joined the RIC in 1914 then it would appear as if his Register > Number is 67658. The numbers between 67001 and 69000 were issued between > December 16, 1912 and February 15, 1917. The number quoted above is the > only one for a James Duffy in that period > > This information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's excellent and exhaustive > publication "The Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete Alphabetical List of > Officers and Men, 1816-1922." > > What is/was/were the RGA? It is my first time to encounter this > abbreviation. > > J. J. > > > On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on >> Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not >> ever destroyed by fire. >> The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans, never >> happened. >> The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the vicinity >> of the Mall was James Duffy. >> It would appear from the evidence at the Inquest that James Duffy was a >> member of the AUX Division....the Black and Tans were not stationed in >> Carlow at this time. >> Relatives of James Duffy are eager to find out as much as they can about >> him, I have requested they send me his Service Number. >> Generally I am suspicious of members posting enquiries on the Carlow IGP >> on >> behalf of "a friend" or as a "favour" to some unknown unknown and for >> which >> they may be charging a hefty fee to the "friend" for any information >> willingly shared by our members but in this case the relatives of James >> Duffy live in Monaghan, are elderly, and have not subscribed to Carlow >> IGP. >> There is no fee involved and I can share their email address with anyone >> who is interested. >> On 27 April 2012 04:41, CARLOMAN2 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > This brings to mind a conversation I had many years ago with the then >> owner >> > of Fitzpatrick's Pub. The Black and Tans arrived at the pub and forced >> the >> > family out, they threatened to burn it but I can't recall that the did >> burn >> > it. >> > However soon afterwards three Black & Tans were apprehended in the >> vicinity >> > of the Mall, shot and buried some where near by! I wonder if this is >> linked >> > to the ambush mentioned? >> > >> > Were they Tans or Auxiliaries ? >> > >> > PD >> > "The past is a different country" >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 26 April 2012 16:01, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Can any reader help Mike with his search ? >> > > >> > > 9th April 1921. >> > > CARLOW R.I.C. CONSTABLE KILLED. >> > > CIVILIAN SERIOUSLY WOUNDED. >> > > On Sunday night at about 8.30 p.m. (Summer Time), Constable James >> Duffy, >> > > Royal Irish Constabulary, Carlow, was shot dead between the Mall and >> > > .......................... into Mr Fitzpatrick's licensed premises to >> > have >> > > a drink. Then they >> > > left, evidently intending to be back in Carlow before the Curfew hour. >> > > At about a quarter of a mile on the Carlow side of Fitzpatricks they >> were >> > > held up by three armed men who had been sitting in the hedge. >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >
J.J. , --- RGA - Royal Garrison Artillery . served in The Great War 1914 - 18. My guess is that James enrolled in January 1921 ( date based on the Carlow Inquest report ) in the AD Royal Irish Constabulary - made up of ex-officers of the British Army, their pay was one pound a day, known as Auxiliary Division, they were not subject to military discipline or the civil courts, they were posted to Ireland in May 1920 as support to the RIC. The Black and Tans were posted in March 1920, they were paid 10 shillings a day. On 27 April 2012 21:30, JJ Woods <[email protected]> wrote: > If he joined the RIC in 1914 then it would appear as if his Register Number > is 67658. The numbers between 67001 and 69000 were issued between December > 16, 1912 and February 15, 1917. The number quoted above is the only one for > a James Duffy in that period > > This information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's excellent and exhaustive > publication "The Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete Alphabetical List of > Officers and Men, 1816-1922." > > What is/was/were the RGA? It is my first time to encounter this > abbreviation. > > J. J. > > > On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on > > Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not > > ever destroyed by fire. > > The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans, never > happened. > > The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the vicinity > > of the Mall was James Duffy. > > It would appear from the evidence at the Inquest that James Duffy was a > > member of the AUX Division....the Black and Tans were not stationed in > > Carlow at this time. > > Relatives of James Duffy are eager to find out as much as they can about > > him, I have requested they send me his Service Number. > > Generally I am suspicious of members posting enquiries on the Carlow IGP > on > > behalf of "a friend" or as a "favour" to some unknown unknown and for > which > > they may be charging a hefty fee to the "friend" for any information > > willingly shared by our members but in this case the relatives of James > > Duffy live in Monaghan, are elderly, and have not subscribed to Carlow > IGP. > > There is no fee involved and I can share their email address with anyone > > who is interested. > > On 27 April 2012 04:41, CARLOMAN2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This brings to mind a conversation I had many years ago with the then > > owner > > > of Fitzpatrick's Pub. The Black and Tans arrived at the pub and forced > > the > > > family out, they threatened to burn it but I can't recall that the did > > burn > > > it. > > > However soon afterwards three Black & Tans were apprehended in the > > vicinity > > > of the Mall, shot and buried some where near by! I wonder if this is > > linked > > > to the ambush mentioned? > > > > > > Were they Tans or Auxiliaries ? > > > > > > PD > > > "The past is a different country" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 April 2012 16:01, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Can any reader help Mike with his search ? > > > > > > > > 9th April 1921. > > > > CARLOW R.I.C. CONSTABLE KILLED. > > > > CIVILIAN SERIOUSLY WOUNDED. > > > > On Sunday night at about 8.30 p.m. (Summer Time), Constable James > > Duffy, > > > > Royal Irish Constabulary, Carlow, was shot dead between the Mall and > > > > .......................... into Mr Fitzpatrick's licensed premises to > > > have > > > > a drink. Then they > > > > left, evidently intending to be back in Carlow before the Curfew > hour. > > > > At about a quarter of a mile on the Carlow side of Fitzpatricks they > > were > > > > held up by three armed men who had been sitting in the hedge. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
My previous post should have read December 22, 1920 and February 2, 1921. The Register Number is probably the one you need. I think that the Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries were issued with RIC numbers. Thanks Michael for the explanation of the RGA. On 27 April 2012 21:46, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > J.J. , --- RGA - Royal Garrison Artillery . served in The Great War 1914 > - 18. > My guess is that James enrolled in January 1921 ( date based on the > Carlow Inquest report ) in the AD Royal Irish Constabulary - made up of > ex-officers of the British Army, their pay was one pound a day, known as > Auxiliary Division, they were not subject to military discipline or the > civil courts, they were posted to Ireland in May 1920 as support to the > RIC. > The Black and Tans were posted in March 1920, they were paid 10 shillings a > day. > > > > > On 27 April 2012 21:30, JJ Woods <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If he joined the RIC in 1914 then it would appear as if his Register > Number > > is 67658. The numbers between 67001 and 69000 were issued between > December > > 16, 1912 and February 15, 1917. The number quoted above is the only one > for > > a James Duffy in that period > > > > This information is extracted from Jim Herlihy's excellent and exhaustive > > publication "The Royal Irish Constabulary. A complete Alphabetical List > of > > Officers and Men, 1816-1922." > > > > What is/was/were the RGA? It is my first time to encounter this > > abbreviation. > > > > J. J. > > > > > > On 27 April 2012 09:14, michael purcell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > there are no reports in the Nationalist or other sources of a raid on > > > Fitzpatrick's Pub during this period, certainly the premises was not > > > ever destroyed by fire. > > > The second incident, shooting and burying Black and Tans, never > > happened. > > > The only British constable / soldier / auxiliary man shot in the > vicinity > > > of the Mall was James Duffy. > > > It would appear from the evidence at the Inquest that James Duffy was a > > > member of the AUX Division....the Black and Tans were not stationed in > > > Carlow at this time. > > > Relatives of James Duffy are eager to find out as much as they can > about > > > him, I have requested they send me his Service Number. > > > Generally I am suspicious of members posting enquiries on the Carlow > IGP > > on > > > behalf of "a friend" or as a "favour" to some unknown unknown and for > > which > > > they may be charging a hefty fee to the "friend" for any information > > > willingly shared by our members but in this case the relatives of James > > > Duffy live in Monaghan, are elderly, and have not subscribed to Carlow > > IGP. > > > There is no fee involved and I can share their email address with > anyone > > > who is interested. > > > On 27 April 2012 04:41, CARLOMAN2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > This brings to mind a conversation I had many years ago with the then > > > owner > > > > of Fitzpatrick's Pub. The Black and Tans arrived at the pub and > forced > > > the > > > > family out, they threatened to burn it but I can't recall that the > did > > > burn > > > > it. > > > > However soon afterwards three Black & Tans were apprehended in the > > > vicinity > > > > of the Mall, shot and buried some where near by! I wonder if this is > > > linked > > > > to the ambush mentioned? > > > > > > > > Were they Tans or Auxiliaries ? > > > > > > > > PD > > > > "The past is a different country" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 April 2012 16:01, michael purcell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can any reader help Mike with his search ? > > > > > > > > > > 9th April 1921. > > > > > CARLOW R.I.C. CONSTABLE KILLED. > > > > > CIVILIAN SERIOUSLY WOUNDED. > > > > > On Sunday night at about 8.30 p.m. (Summer Time), Constable James > > > Duffy, > > > > > Royal Irish Constabulary, Carlow, was shot dead between the Mall > and > > > > > .......................... into Mr Fitzpatrick's licensed premises > to > > > > have > > > > > a drink. Then they > > > > > left, evidently intending to be back in Carlow before the Curfew > > hour. > > > > > At about a quarter of a mile on the Carlow side of Fitzpatricks > they > > > were > > > > > held up by three armed men who had been sitting in the hedge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >